Bench Euro 2012

[Achiyama 1,272]

_{Round 1 is over. I feel sorry for Jejima. The last game of 1st round was a big spoiler for him. All he needed was a draw, but the swedes lost...and cost him the win. At least, he gets a draw. I feel for Mischashimaru, too, because the swedes handled him a loss, and it could have been a win.}

_{So, Congratulations to Rannohana, who is the only WINNER this round in group "D". Here are the results after Round 1:}

_{Rannohana - Mischashimaru 2:0}

_{Andonishiki - Jejima 0:0}

_{Here are the final standings after Round 1:}

_{I am sorry I have some technical difficulties. The firewall at work doesn't allow me to upload the Table. I'll do it later when I get home.}

Edited June 11, 2012 by Achiyama

[Andonishiki 171]

Bench Euro - Football rules - Round 1

Group A

1. Kameumi 14 Pts 13:6 goals

2. Achiyama 9 11:8

3. Jakusotsu 7 7:7

4. Harinezumi 7 8:12

Group B

1. Pitinosato 12 12:8

2. Chabanowaka 12 8:5

3. Pandaazuma 9 8:11

4. Xiao Tan 8 7:11

Group C

1. Rubensan 12 10:6

2. Kintamayama 12 9:8

3. Asashosakari 11 11:8

4. Doitsuyama 8 6:9

Group D

1. Jejima 12 12:7

2. Rannohana 11 10:8

3. Mischashimaru 8 7:9

4. Andonishiki 7 8:12

Outstanding Performance: Kameumi 13 goals

[Achiyama 1,272]

There we have it!

Round 1 is over.

Final standing Round 1 - Group B

XaioTan - Chabonowaka 0 - 1

Chabonowaka scores his only goal with his © team Spain that had an direct meeting with XaioTan's Italy in the same slot.

Pitinosato - Pandaazuma 2 - 0

Not to interfere, but I think the scores are Chabonowaka - Xiaotan 3:0, and Pitinosato - Pandaazuma 3:0 (if I am not mistaken again).

The Exec gyojis will have the last word.

[Achiyama 1,272]

I wonder whether Jejima posted the pairings for Round 2. Maybe he did but I didn't see them. In case he forgot here they are:

Tuesday June 12:

Greece - Czech Republic

Poland - Russia

Wednesday, June 13:

Denmark - Portugal

Netherlands - Germany

Thursday, June 14:

Italy - Croatia

Spain - Ireland

Friday, June 15:

Sweden - England

Ukraine - France

Good Luck with your line-up selection.

Edited June 11, 2012 by Achiyama

[Achiyama 1,272]

The technical difficulties continued at home. All the time when I tried to attach the Tables to this thread, an "Error message" pops up. I saved the document as an older version, even I saved it as a PDF file. Every time I got the same message.

I tried to e-mail it from one of my accounts to another and there was no problem for all 3 files to be attached and sent. And all were opened without a problem.

This makes me think that there is a glich (appearing today), or I don't know what else to think.

So, if anybody wants to see the Standings in a tabulated form, please, send me an e-mail and I'll gladly send the Table(s). I am talking not only the players from group "D", but also players from the other groups ("A", "B" and "C"), or even Sumoforum members or fans if you want to see the Tables, you are welcome to send me an e-mail as well.

Let me know if you want all 4 Tables, or just one (the one you are participating in). If you don't - you don't.

My e-mail is: angelstoyanov55@yahoo.com

Best Regards:

Achiyama

Edited June 13, 2012 by Achiyama

[Jejima 1,498]

Thanks to Achiyama for putting up the matches for round 2 (I forgot to do so....)

My mailbox on sumo forum is full - but I can't delete the existing messages, as they are the lists of everyone's penalty takers - and I haven't compiled them yet...

So, if you want to send me a PM, you will have to email me instead, for the time being....

Sorry about that.

[Jejima 1,498]

Will the list of penalty takers be made public?

No - not until after the quarterfinals. I'll let the quarterfinal gyojis know who the penalty takers are, in advance, so that they can add a bit of tension, should the matches go that far ;-)

[Asashosakari 20,299]

_{Andonishiki - Jejima 0:0}

I believe that's a 1-0?

[Jejima 1,498]

Bench Euro 2012 - Round 2 matches

Group A

Achiyama (Greece) - Harinezumi (Czech Republic)

Jakusotsu (Poland) - Kameumi (Russia)

Group B

Chabonowaka (Denmark) - Pandaazuma (Portugal)

XiaoTan (Netherlands) - Pitinosato (Germany)

Group C

Kintamayama (Italy) - Asashosakari (Croatia)

Rubensan (Spain) - Doitsuyama (Ireland)

Group D

Mischashimaru (Sweden) - Jejima (England)

Rannohana (Ukraine) - Andonishiki (France)

[Jakusotsu 6,403]

My mailbox on sumo forum is full - but I can't delete the existing messages, as they are the lists of everyone's penalty takers - and I haven't compiled them yet...

Try the "Archive Conversation" option at the bottom of each message.

[Achiyama 1,272]

_{Andonishiki - Jejima 0:0}

I believe that's a 1-0?

You are right. I misscored it. This is the difference between Situation 8 [®unbroken vs.(N)broken, when Draw:Draw, the score is 0:0, but the ® chain remains unbroken] vs. Situation 2 [® unbroken vs. (N) unbroken, when Draw:Draw, the score is 0:0, but the ®chain is broken).

Thanks Asashosakari for catching this.

Sorry Andonishiki and Jejima for the mistake. :(

So the scores in group "D" are:

Rannohana - Mischashimaru 2:0

Andonishiki - Jejima 1:0

Edited June 12, 2012 by Achiyama

[Achiyama 1,272]

_{Andonishiki - Jejima 0:0}

I believe that's a 1-0?

You are right. I misscored it. This is the difference between Situation 8 [®unbroken vs.(N)broken, when Draw:Draw, the score is 0:0, but the ® chain remains unbroken] vs. Situation 2 [® unbroken vs. (N) unbroken, when Draw:Draw, the score is 0:0, but the ®chain is broken).

Thanks Asashosakari for catching this.

Sorry Andonishiki and Jejima for the mistake. :(

So the scores in group "D" are:

Rannohana - Mischashimaru 2:0

Andonishiki - Jejima 1:0

I know what happened and why I scored this match 0:0.

I need the arbitrary decision from the Exec Gyojis and I think that this case should make us do the Situation 2 and Situation 8 (the above discussed) the same.

As Sweden's match was last, when France's match finished, situation 2 was in effect, and I made Andonishiki's chain broken. But after the last game when Jejima's chain broke at Spot #1, I didn't reverse Andonishiki's France match. So, you see the BIG contradiction:

If we do the scoring after the end of each match Andonishiki - Jejima score should be 0:0, but

if we do the scoring at the end of the round when all the matches are played - then the score should be 1:0 win for Andonishiki.

SO, WHAT SHOULD IT BE ???

Edited June 12, 2012 by Achiyama

[Andonishiki 171]

clearly it shoud be 1:0

....slightly biased opinion... ;-)

[Andonishiki 171]

Group A: received 3 line-ups for round 2, thx

Mr. H missing

deadline less than 6h away

[Asashosakari 20,299]

If we do the scoring after the end of each match Andonishiki - Jejima score should be 0:0, but

if we do the scoring at the end of the round when all the matches are played - then the score should be 1:0 win for Andonishiki.

I don't understand. Why would you keep the "original" scoring for slot 3, but not for e.g. slots 2, 6 and 7 where Jejima provisionally scored goals before his chain broke in slot 1 later which removed those goals from consideration? Same thing.

Edit: By your logic, it's a 3-0 win for Jejima, not a 0-0.

Edited June 12, 2012 by Asashosakari

[yorikiried by fate 2,038]

I just would like to make you guys aware that the minute-by-mintute reports of the matches at guardian.co.uk are the most entertaining football related reads that I ever encountered.

[Jejima 1,498]

If we do the scoring after the end of each match Andonishiki - Jejima score should be 0:0, but

if we do the scoring at the end of the round when all the matches are played - then the score should be 1:0 win for Andonishiki.

SO, WHAT SHOULD IT BE ???

Scoring is done at the end of the round.... So congratulations Andonishiki who stole the victory from the jaws of defeat. (Why, oh, why couldn't Sweden manage a draw?!? I would have won the match convincingly!)

[Jejima 1,498]

I just would like to make you guys aware that the minute-by-mintute reports of the matches at guardian.co.uk are the most entertaining football related reads that I ever encountered.

On a similar note, get the Guardian's daily Euro 2012 podcast - also amusing, especially for fans of puns. It's a bit England / Ireland biased, but not too much.

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

I just would like to make you guys aware that the minute-by-mintute reports of the matches at guardian.co.uk are the most entertaining football related reads that I ever encountered.

Now that's a late bandwagoner... I read them since 2006 and the mbm probably existed long before this.

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

Thanks to Achiyama for putting up the matches for round 2 (I forgot to do so....)

My mailbox on sumo forum is full - but I can't delete the existing messages, as they are the lists of everyone's penalty takers - and I haven't compiled them yet...

So, if you want to send me a PM, you will have to email me instead, for the time being....

Sorry about that.

I don't understand really. The penalty takers can be at most 15 of 50 (?) allowed messages, so you must have more undeletable stuff than that. Also, especially the penalty messages can be used for replies which don't count to the limit. The only problem can be PM's from players who didn't submit penalty takers by PM, which shouldn't be many.

[Kameumi 1]

There we have it!

Round 1 is over.

Final standing Round 1 - Group B

XaioTan - Chabonowaka 0 - 1

Chabonowaka scores his only goal with his © team Spain that had an direct meeting with XaioTan's Italy in the same slot.

Pitinosato - Pandaazuma 2 - 0

Not to interfere, but I think the scores are Chabonowaka - Xiaotan 3:0, and Pitinosato - Pandaazuma 3:0 (if I am not mistaken again).

The Exec gyojis will have the last word.

You are right about Chabonowaka having 3 goals scored, my mind asumed Denmark lost, it still cant comprehend that match.

About the other game I think I'm correct there.

"The line-ups are in the form of a 'chain', starting with the first slot, and going down to the last slot. However, the chain may be broken at any stage, in which case, any results that occur after the breakage cannot score goals."

"When one team has its chain broken, then situations 7-9 are used, until the other team's chain is broken. When both chains are broken (or the 7th slot has been reached), the match is over, and no further slots are considered."

[chabonowaka 2]

here are the group c lineups for round 2: (thanks for getting your lineups in!)

match 1 - Kintamayama (Italy) vs. Asashosakari (Croatia)

match 2 - Rubensan (Spain) vs. Doitsuyama (Ireland)

match 1:

Kintamayama:

1. France

2. ® Italy

3. Germany

4. Czech Rep.

5. Croatia

6. © Poland

7. Denmark

Asashosakari:

1. France

2. Russia

3. Portugal ©

4. Germany

5. Croatia ®

6. Poland

7. Ireland

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gyoji comment: slot 1 is out! after that, things could get really interesting really quick, as the only shared team between slots 2 and 4 is Germany, who Kintamayama has on the 3, and Asashosakari has on the 4 slot. also, both players have Croatia on the 5 and Poland on the 6, but officially, those aren't wiped out yet, as Croatia is Asashosakari's ® and Poland is Kintamayama's ©. it seems that both of these guys have a lot of confidence in/fear of russia. any chance they will relax, having won their first match so handily? We could have a fair handle on things after today's late matchup. Kintmayama takes a gamble with his R on the 2nd slot. Russia's outcome will sit for two days before we know how that shakes out.

match 2:

Rubensan:

1. Spain ®

2. Greece

3. Russia

4. Netherlands

5. Denmark ©

6. Ukraine

7. Poland

Comment: last game was very bad for me, with Netherlands losing on spot 1. It's time to bet strongly for Spain.

Doitsuyama:

1. Spain

2. © Germany

3. Italy

4. Sweden

5. Ukraine

6. Netherlands

7. ® Ireland

Another tough one against represented Spain with my Ireland as big underdog. Additionally I feel that my squad is only three deep with a tough matchup for my ozeki Netherlands. Lets hope for an early chain break for Rubensan (maybe an Irish draw?).

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gyoji comment: like the first match, the opponents here share 3 teams, in Spain, Netherlands, and Ukraine. but in this match, no spots are eliminated, as slot 1 features Rubensan's R-Spain versus Doitsuyama's N-Spain, and they used the Netherlands and Ukraine in different slots. these two are using what appear to be different strategies, and very different confidence levels in the various teams. Doitsuyama isn't feeling very confident about his team, but after Rubensan's likely score in the frist slot, things get very interesting very quickly, with Doitsuyama's C-Germany versus Rubensan's N-Greece. on thing is for sure, we'll have a good feeling about how this is going to go after today's matches. :)

[chabonowaka 2]

hey, was my note that large that it required two reply spots in the middle? i know i can be wordy, but i'm not Randomitsuki. (or Boltbutthamma)

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

On a similar note, get the Guardian's daily Euro 2012 podcast - also amusing, especially for fans of puns. It's a bit England / Ireland biased, but not too much.

Here's some England biased humour, not from the Guardian:

The English squad visited an orphanage during their stay in the Ukraine. "It was very moving to see their sad faces, absent of any hope." said Igor (6).

[Kintamayama 47,377]

gyoji comment: slot 1 is out! after that, things could get really interesting really quick, as the only shared team between slots 2 and 4 is Germany, who Kintamayama has on the 3, and Asashosakari has on the 4 slot. also, both players have Croatia on the 5 and Poland on the 6, but officially, those aren't wiped out yet, as Croatia is Asashosakari's ® and Poland is Kintamayama's ©. it seems that both of these guys have a lot of confidence in/fear of russia. any chance they will relax, having won their first match so handily? We could have a fair handle on things after today's late matchup. Kintmayama takes a gamble with his R on the 2nd slot. Russia's outcome will sit for two days before we know how that shakes out.

I have Italy as the champions. against all possible odds. They are playing under no pressure at all after being written off by everyone, especially at home. England were in the same position, but after their tie yesterday, all the clever commentators on ITV and everyone else British were suddenly convinced they will go all the way, deriding Sweden and Ukraine on the way, calling them "weak teams".. Now, they will lose their next two and go home.

The first round results confirm my basic thesis: In this type of league, it's a crap-shoot. Anyone can win, with a lot of good things usually happening to the home teams who would have been hard-pressed to qualify at all had they had to go through the usual preliminary channels.

And Germany.

Edited June 12, 2012 by Kintamayama