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[Asashosakari 18,786]

Possible overly nitpicky data correction:

Dewanohana's ja.wiki article says that he ended his sanyo employment not on May 12 (day before his birthday) as customary, but worked through to the end of Natsu basho on May 23. It's referenced to a Nikkan interview that's now behind a subscriber wall, but the short introductory blurb that's still publicly visible supports that notion. I'm not sure if it's actually strictly true or just artistic license by the journalist, though. The interview itself which I totally didn't extract from the page source doesn't touch on it.

Same-birthday Kurosegawa is even more messy; the sanyo listing at the toshiyori myoseki article makes the same May 23 claim for him, while his personal profile gives the standard May 12 as his retirement date. Neither version is referenced, and I haven't been able to turn up any articles about his departure from the Kyokai myself.

I guess it's conceivable at least for Dewanohana since he was part of the Kyokai's etiquette supervision team, a basho-specific task. I'm doubtful about Kurosegawa who IIRC wasn't assigned to any particular role after his brief stint helping out on the shimpan squad a few years ago.

[Kintamayama 44,350]

12 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Well, he didn't start blowing the whistle until several years after he left. 

I remember reading he was quite an outspoken character and was telling stories pretty soon after he left. 

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

On 11/06/2021 at 22:23, Asashosakari said:

Puzzling update of the Kyokai's duty list page, where they've changed Sadanofuji's name now and already same-day dumped Nishikijima, but the kabu assumptions of Toyohibiki and Asahisho aren't reflected yet (even though one of those is even connected to Sadanofuji's change).

 

Those changes have been made now - Toyohibiki is the owner of Yamashina, and Asahisho is borrowing Kiriyama.

Edited June 21, 2021 by Yubinhaad

[Seiyashi 4,071]

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202107210000683.html

After today's board meeting, Kagamiyama-beya (home of Kagamio) will be closed, and its members merged into Isenoumi beya.

More realistically it probably means Kagamio will retire and ex-Tagaryu will coast till retirement.

There is also word of a new safety committee whose remit is pretty much all of ozumo - honbasho, jungyo, and the heya - and consists of Kasugano (ex Tochinowaka) as the department head, Fujishima (ex Musoyama) as the vice-department head, and 5 more committee members.

EDIT: methinks it's ironic that the oyakata who beat up his deshi with a golf club is the head of the safety committee. One would think Kakuryu would be a much better fit for the job, given his demonstrable concern for the welfare of lower-ranked rikishi when he was on hanamichi duty, although as he is not on a full elder stock there might be bureaucratic restrictions on what roles he can be assigned.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Seiyashi

[neonbelly 226]

7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

EDIT: methinks it's ironic that the oyakata who beat up his deshi with a golf club is the head of the safety committee. One would think Kakuryu would be a much better fit for the job, given his demonstrable concern for the welfare of lower-ranked rikishi when he was on hanamichi duty, although as he is not on a full elder stock there might be bureaucratic restrictions on what roles he can be assigned.

"Stay safe or taste iron" isn't that weird by sumo standards.

[rokudenashi 291]

7 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202107210000683.html

After today's board meeting, Kagamiyama-beya (home of Kagamio) will be closed, and its members merged into Isenoumi beya.

More realistically it probably means Kagamio will retire and ex-Tagaryu will coast till retirement.

And with that the active legacy of Kashiwado comes to an end with a whimper.

What will come of the vacant stock? If Nishikigi remains on his current downward trend, perhaps we can expect him to take it over after Tagaryu reaches retirement age in early 2023. With 23 bashos in Makuuchi and 14 in Juryo, he certainly meets the criteria to stick around.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

9 minutes ago, rokudenashi said:

And with that the active legacy of Kashiwado comes to an end with a whimper.

What will come of the vacant stock? If Nishikigi remains on his current downward trend, perhaps we can expect him to take it over after Tagaryu reaches retirement age in early 2023. With 23 bashos in Makuuchi and 14 in Juryo, he certainly meets the criteria to stick around.

A whimper is better with the downright ignominy that some heya have ended in. The two that come to mind are Isegahama (the old version which produced Terukuni, not the current iteration which is reviving the Teru element) and Takanohana (previously Fujishima/Futagoyama). ex-Kiyokuni, the successor to Terukuni, suffered through his wife and kids' death in an airplane accident and he was never the same; the heya went downhill to the extent that his nephews chose to join Kataonami rather than Isegahama. As for Takanohana, well, a glimpse at your avatar...

Given that we've seen quite volatile movement of kabu lately, it's not out of the question that the stock will take a gander around the ichimon or even out of it. I'd say Nishikigi laying dibs on it in 2023 is possible but not probable, and the early closure may indicate Tagaryu is intending to retire soon. Since it's in the Tokitsukaze ichimon, it's even possible that Kakuryu may finally get his hands on Izutsu if Toyonoshima switches to Kagamiyama, although that might be wishful thinking on our part to reunite him with the stock of his shisho.

Speaking of Kakuryu, the lot that used to be Izutsu beya was undergoing reconstruction. The original description mentioned including a sumo heya, but that has now been removed from the... whatever that thing is that they put up with the details of the construction. Since the property remains under the control of ex-Sakahoko's family, that may suggest that they are giving up hope on trying to dictate what is done with the Izutsu stock, which may be good news for Kakuryu.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Kamitsuumi 384]

On 21/07/2021 at 14:43, Seiyashi said:

ex-Kiyokuni, the successor to Terukuni, suffered through his wife and kids' death in an airplane accident and he was never the same; the heya went downhill to the extent that his nephews chose to join Kataonami rather than Isegahama.

Ahh this finally clicked for me today. He married a second wife and had a second son, who is 1.92m but didn't end up entering ozumo. The son is now a rakugoka by the name of Hayashiya Kirin.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Sewanin Saisu reached the mandatory retirement age of 65 on August 16th, after a half-century in ozumo. He joined the old Isegahama-beya in 1971 as a deshi of 38th Yokozuna Terukuni, reaching a highest rank of Maegashira 2. He retired in 1986 (as Takarakuni) and took a sewanin position, and in November 1991 switched to his family name of Saisu (which has a different first kanji to his active-era shikona).

Through heya closures he ended up in what is now also called Isegahama-beya, unrelated to the old one.

With his retirement there are now eight sewanin, the old number before the group expansion in 2004.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

10 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Any conditions? There was this article suggesting some sort of restraint on his ability to own a heya or to penalise him for any gaffes: https://www.daily.co.jp/general/2021/09/30/0014720255.shtml

Dragging this quote here for another aspect of the linked article, namely the apparent revelation that the committee in charge of supervising kabu transactions concerned itself with Hakuho's acquisition of the Magaki share in May, so quite a bit after the "plans to acquire" news had broken in March.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Minatogawa-oyakata (former Komusubi Daitetsu) is 65 today, I haven't seen any information yet about whether he is retiring or staying on as a consultant.

[rhyen 1,809]

4 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Minatogawa-oyakata (former Komusubi Daitetsu) is 65 today, I haven't seen any information yet about whether he is retiring or staying on as a consultant.

They were profiling him on the ozumo broadcast. I presume he will stay on as a consultant to help manage Nihonoseki heya while the stable master has limited mobility?

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

18 hours ago, rhyen said:

They were profiling him on the ozumo broadcast. I presume he will stay on as a consultant to help manage Nihonoseki heya while the stable master has limited mobility?

FWIW I expect Minatogawa to stay on, but I doubt helping to run the heya has much to do with it - after all, Nishonoseki himself turns 65 in January, and he might not stay on due to those health problems since his accident a few years back. Whether he stays on or not, a new shisho will be taking over at that point.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Minatogawa has been moved to the sanyo list now on the usual banzuke-day update to the duties listing.

Edit: Backdated to Oct 29, I forgot to mention.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Seiyashi 4,071]

https://www.sanspo.com/article/20211219-VP4WVAEJUJJOJCNLVTK5LXRU7Q/

I don't know if anyone else expected it, but ex-Kisenosato, Araiso oyakata, is to become Nishonoseki oyakata. He will swap names with ex-Wakashimazu when the latter reaches 65 in January. 

Appointing an ex-yokozuna to the namesake myoseki of an ichimon is pretty significant, since it practically means that person is expected to be the leader of the ichimon. Considering what Asashosakari also mentioned recently about rijicho considerations moving forward in about a decade, it looks like Nishonoseki ichimon is preparing to back ex-Kisenosato as a rijicho candidate when Hakkaku's term ends. But all this is prospective; ichimon insiders say that he still has much to learn from the elders of the ichimon. 

No word in the article what will happen to both heya, as Araiso had just branched out in August this year and had had a groundbreaking ceremony for his new premises. It does seem a bit weird for the lead heya of an ichimon to be so isolated from Ryogoku, though.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Gurowake 3,915]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

 Considering what Asashosakari also mentioned recently about rijicho considerations moving forward in about a decade, it looks like Nishonoseki ichimon is preparing to back ex-Kisenosato as a rijicho candidate when Hakkaku's term ends.

 

Hakkaku's term?  No.  Fujishima/Musoyama's.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

No word in the article what will happen to both heya (...)

I could be totally off-base, but the lack of information on this point (especially considering the short time frame until it happens) seems to imply that both heya will keep going. Maybe Nishonoseki-beya turns back into Matsugane, either under the guy that currently holds the name (ex-Tamarikido) or we'll see some musical chairs involving Kisenosato, Tamarikido and Shohozan to facilitate the latter taking over?

Edit: From the article it sounds to me as though the name changes will probably happen in time for next week's banzuke release.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Asashosakari

[Seiyashi 4,071]

3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

I could be totally off-base, but the lack of information on this point (especially considering the short time frame until it happens) seems to imply that both heya will keep going. Maybe Nishonoseki-beya turns back into Matsugane, either under the guy that currently holds the name (ex-Tamarikido) or we'll see some musical chairs involving Kisenosato, Tamarikido and Shohozan to facilitate the latter taking over?

Edit: From the article it sounds to me as though the name changes will probably happen in time for next week's banzuke release.

https://www.sanspo.com/article/20211219-OMHCFHMQZNLL5FPWARMDW6B64M/

Araiso-beya to become Nishonoseki-beya, while the present Nishonoseki-beya to become Hanaregoma-beya under ex-Tamanoshima.

So it's basically like what happened with Musashigawa-beya after Mienoumi gave the stable to Musoyama and the kabu to Musashimaru. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Asashosakari 18,786]

4 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

So it's basically like what happened with Musashigawa-beya after Mienoumi gave the stable to Musoyama and the kabu to Musashimaru. 

Well, kind of. Musashimaru had no stable yet, so there was a period of time when no Musashigawa-beya existed. And the new one was somewhat of a spiritual successor in name due to Maru having competed out of the old one, while Kise has no past relationship with the Nishonoseki name.

[ryafuji 807]

So that's going to be three different incarnations of Nishonoseki beya in the space of a decade. 

[Seiyashi 4,071]

4 hours ago, ryafuji said:

So that's going to be three different incarnations of Nishonoseki beya in the space of a decade. 

Ought to be in the trivia bits section, but I wonder whether that's some kind of record, dubious as it is. 

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Izutsu comes to mind, under whose name a heya existed until it was renamed to Michinoku in 1974, then a new version came up later that year that lasted until 1977 (merged with Kokonoe and continued under that name), then a third one was brought into existence shortly after that via the renaming of an existing stable (Kimigahama).

[Masunofuji 36]

Kisenosato: 2 yusho, 1 as yokozuna, given ichimon-leading kabu not even 6 months after starting his own heya / 3 years being an oyakata.

Hakuho: 45 yusho, 42 as yokozuna, denied ichidai-toshiyori kabu, conditionally given Magaki kabu.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

34 minutes ago, Masunofuji said:

Kisenosato: 2 yusho, 1 as yokozuna, given ichimon-leading kabu not even 6 months after starting his own heya / 3 years being an oyakata.

Hakuho: 45 yusho, 42 as yokozuna, denied ichidai-toshiyori kabu, conditionally given Magaki kabu.

Not the place to start this particular quibble, but I'd argue it's precisely because Hakuho spent so long as the most successful yokozuna that gave rise to the shenanigans of his conditional kabu. Some of it got to his head, however much he loves the sport itself.

I just hope the whole pressures of leadership thing doesn't crimp Araiso's - or should we now call him, Nishonoseki's style. He got a lot better after he retired, and it'd be a shame if he were to go back to doing what he thought he should be doing rather than being himself.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Apples and oranges anyway. One is official Kyokai business, the other is internal ichimon politics. Nothing stopping the Isegahama group from going similarly all-in on Hakuho.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Asashosakari