Nagoya 2025 discussion (results)

[Akinomaki 41,571]

Onosato pulled even with 4 previous new yokozuna for the most kinboshi given out by one, just shortly after Hoshoryu.

That can't be sufficient for him, as the one and only kind of yokozuna, he'll have to get the sole and never again reached record of handing out 4 kinboshi in his first basho as yokozuna 

[WAKATAKE 2,758]

7 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

If Tamawashi yushos again is he the greatest non-Ozeki wrestler of all time? Is he already regardless? 

No one has won three yusho while not making ozeki

[Kintamayama 46,753]

Day 12 torikumi not posted. Kyokai starts off the delay (usually day 14 lately) from Day 12 this basho, due to the many contenders I guess.

[Akinomaki 41,571]

Day 12 the kinboshi chance for Ichiyamamoto - to help avoid losses in a row, they give Onosato a rest day against sanyaku each time, because he has better results against those than against maegashira

[Akinomaki 41,571]

The iron man will always go on injured, looks like he aggravated some old one yesterday - his feet are all bandaged and he is on his last ankles now, as he slipped against Kotozakura to help him stay un-kadobanned

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

So, Aonishiki should be the favorite now, right? The other co-leaders will be fed to sanyaku. 

In any case, it looks like his fate is in his hands.

Edited July 23 by Bunbukuchagama

[RabidJohn 2,010]

Aonishiki clearly isn't a one-trick pony, but what really struck me today was that little bow he gave to the senior he'd just beaten before they remounted the dohyo.

It was so Japanese - hard to believe he's only been there three years.

I doubt he'll be lacking hinkaku, if that ever becomes a consideration in a promotion scenario.

Edited July 23 by RabidJohn

[I am the Yokozuna 218]

What did Kirishima do wrong to lose today? Was it the twist and loss of balance as he tried to avoid being pushed out at the tawara, or was it a movement from Onosato that caused it?

[Kaninoyama 1,877]

9 minutes ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

What did Kirishima do wrong to lose today? Was it the twist and loss of balance as he tried to avoid being pushed out at the tawara, or was it a movement from Onosato that caused it?

It wasn't evident until they changed the replay angle, but Onosato gave him a nice push on his front right hip while simultaneously yanking him down from the rear on the left side. 

Edited July 23 by Kaninoyama

[Katooshu 3,464]

Onosato is 8-3, and still well in the yusho race with no one more than a win ahead. He's also 3-1 vs the 9-2/8-3 opponents he could meet again in a playoff.

I get he's had his shaky moments, but you'd think he dropped 3 kinboshi in his first 3 matches and then pulled out reading some of the commentary (not from here) on his performance so far.

Edited July 23 by Katooshu

[Benevolance 2,533]

Don't be modest. We can take full credit for Onosato's turnaround. We're just that good. 

[Benihana 1,959]

Please tell me i'm wrong. I've watched the scene multiple times now and especially from the second angle...please watch the video yourself and observe Abi's right arm, while they're leaving the dohyo. Look at the trajectory of Aonishiki's body. That awfully looks like "let me help you kiss the tatami extra hard". Again, pretty please, tell me i'm wrong, because if i'm right, that would be one of the dirtiest moves i've ever seen in sumo.

[Oskanohana 341]

Ryuden showed great restraint to not take out Kimura Juryosuke using Takarafuji as a battering ram. That might earn him points in case there's a close call these last days.

 

49 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Please tell me i'm wrong. I've watched the scene multiple times now and especially from the second angle...please watch the video yourself and observe Abi's right arm, while they're leaving the dohyo. Look at the trajectory of Aonishiki's body. That awfully looks like "let me help you kiss the tatami extra hard". Again, pretty please, tell me i'm wrong, because if i'm right, that would be one of the dirtiest moves i've ever seen in sumo.

Nah, as much as I don't like Abi, slow motion makes you overanalyze things some times. He was just trying to thrust down Aonishiki's head on the flow of the fight and action followed on through the fall. Luckily Aonishiki didn't suffer any injuries. When's the scheduled height of the dohyo debate? Not yet?

[BroadMeadow 47]

All the hype/hope of Onosato winning 3 yusho in a row, and Kusano is just sitting at the top of the arasoi, "Don't mind me." 

[Suwihuto 143]

Two very pleasing shitatenage today.

Feels like the closeness of the race is pushing everyone onwards (and often downwards).

[Amamaniac 2,090]

7 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Onosato is 8-3, and still well in the yusho race with no one more than a win ahead. He's also 3-1 vs the 9-2/8-3 opponents he could meet again in a playoff.

Agreed.  The main difference in this tournament, however, is that Onosato is not chasing a dream/goal (i.e., Yokozuna promotion), but is shouldering the weight of his rank.  That extreme pressure could well interfere with his performance.  Furthermore, history tells us that Yokozuna(s) rarely win championships in their debuts (even the GOAT Hakuho failed to yusho).  

I have this uneasy feeling that given the sad state of the Sanyaku, we are headed for a hiramaku championship.  One of the four Maegashira men at the top of the leaderboard may well find a way to close the tournament with four straight wins (my non-existant money is on Aonishiki or Kusano).

N.b., Predictions for me (at any stage of a tournament) are just wishful thinking.

[Fashiritētā 209]

22 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Agreed.  The main difference in this tournament, however, is that Onosato is not chasing a dream/goal (i.e., Yokozuna promotion), but is shouldering the weight of his rank.  That extreme pressure could well interfere with his performance.  Furthermore, history tells us that Yokozuna(s) rarely win championships in their debuts (even the GOAT Hakuho failed to yusho).  

I have this uneasy feeling that given the sad state of the Sanyaku, we are headed for a hiramaku championship.  One of the four Maegashira men at the top of the leaderboard may well find a way to close the tournament with four straight wins (my non-existant money is on Aonishiki or Kusano).

N.b., Predictions for me (at any stage of a tournament) are just wishful thinking.

Aonishiki for that victory please.

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

2 hours ago, BroadMeadow said:

All the hype/hope of Onosato winning 3 yusho in a row, and Kusano is just sitting at the top of the arasoi, "Don't mind me." 

Kusano was having it easy schedule-wise so far. Let's see how he fares against the top guys. 

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

38 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

we are headed for a hiramaku championship

Let's be honest: Aonishiki was supposed to be a Komusubi right now, and his performance against sanyaku confirmed that he deserved it. If he wins, there will be no "ozumo is doomed" screams, everyone will see it as a fully earned step in what is looking like a brilliant career.

Kusano or any other of the lower-ranked guys? Sure, bring out the mourners. 

[Kintamayama 46,753]

22 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Day 12 torikumi not posted. Kyokai starts off the delay (usually day 14 lately) from Day 12 this basho, due to the many contenders I guess.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is a positive major change. It's the first time ever (didn't check, but pretty sure) that a torikumi is delayed for day 12. And that's good, because the torikumi is very tight and interesting. Pitting 7-4s against 4-7s, uninvolved 5-6/6-5 against each other, leaders against each other etc. Wherever they could of course, But I see this as a giant step forward, away from  old traditions that are irrelevant. I am all for traditions, but let's make it more interesting and relevant if and when we can.

[Akinomaki 41,571]

Kotoshoho had a jun-yusho on his record and is in the lead with Aonishiki, he rather than Kusano is going to get a bout with Onosato. I don't think it's worth to scrap the bout with Wakatakakage, so if they stick to the pattern, Y-S should be next and then Y-M and the proper Y-O in the end 

[Akinomaki 41,571]

I completely overlooked that no-good Atamifuji is also still in the yusho race. Obviously he's thriving, because no Isegahama is bashing him at the moment: the 2nd shisho that can't coach him and never praises him is kyujo now.

Maybe he'll be allowed to leave with the Miyagino guys, when they find a new shisho

[Heather82Cs 6]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is a positive major change. It's the first time ever (didn't check, but pretty sure) that a torikumi is delayed for day 12. And that's good, because the torikumi is very tight and interesting. Pitting 7-4s against 4-7s, uninvolved 5-6/6-5 against each other, leaders against each other etc. Wherever they could of course, But I see this as a giant step forward, away from  old traditions that are irrelevant. I am all for traditions, but let's make it more interesting and relevant if and when we can.

I have to pick 3 winners every day (for the Orical sumo card game) and it's gotten really challenging for a few days already because of how balanced they're setting this up. The Juryo one for day 13 is also missing - do they all go online at the same time?

[RabidJohn 2,010]

14 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Let's be honest: Aonishiki was supposed to be a Komusubi right now, and his performance against sanyaku confirmed that he deserved it. If he wins, there will be no "ozumo is doomed" screams, everyone will see it as a fully earned step in what is looking like a brilliant career.

I didn't like the way they fixed it so he wasn't, but it gave him the opportunity to grab what may well be the only kinboshi of his career. He's definitely not adding any more in the short term.
Onosato came in and rocketed up to the top, Aonishiki is rocketing, and it looks like Kusano will rocket. There's some very exciting new blood in makunouchi.

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We need to see a lot more of the Kotozakura who showed up today. That was a very good win over Kirishima.

Onosato, though... He got extremely lucky today.

Edited July 24 by RabidJohn

[I am the Yokozuna 218]

That throw by Aonishiki on Tamawashi was pure yokozuna-grade sumo. Unless my memory is failing me, I don’t recall seeing Tamawashi being dispatched so powerfully and skillfully with such ease. Truly impressive.

I felt a bit sad for Kirishima once again. It was a strong effort, but after Kotozakura broke his right-hand grip on the belt, Kirishima was quickly overpowered.

As for the musubi-no-ichiban, I understand the torinaoshi decision was the most straightforward one. But couldn’t the shimpan have considered whether Onosato was already in a shinitai position or they got a voice from the video room  that it would be too expensive for JSA in a long term :)?

Edited July 24 by I am the Yokozuna