Natsu 2023 discussion (results)

[rhyen 1,809]

8 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

How about his yokozuna dohyo-iri, though? That's something I'd pay to watch some day.

Will he go low and slow like Harumafuji?

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49 minutes ago, rhyen said:

9 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

How about his yokozuna dohyo-iri, though? That's something I'd pay to watch some day.

Will he go low and slow like Harumafuji?

Harumafuji's dohyō-iri was beautiful. But given it's Miyagino, they're probably going to do Hakuhō's variant of Shiranui, which tbh I'm not a big fan of.

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3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Harumafuji's dohyō-iri was beautiful. But given it's Miyagino, they're probably going to do Hakuhō's variant of Shiranui, which tbh I'm not a big fan of.

I wouldn't be bothered that much. Every Yokozuna develops it's own dohyo-iri at the end of the day. Harumafuji and Terunofuji were both taught theirs by ex-Asahifuji, but they couldn't be more difficult by each other. Asahifuji had an old-style Shiranui, hands open and low arms. Harumafuji went low and parallel to the plane of the dohyo. Terunofuji keeps his arms so straight that he reminds me of a helicopter taking off. Were Hokuseiho good enough to get the rope, he will do his dohyo-iri as he likes most.

Anyway, I am not persuaded that he will get that high. More than Ichinojo, who peaked at Sekiwake mostly because of his excessive mass, I think that Hokuseiho will peak at Ozeki like fellow tad poles Takanonami and Kotooshu. Akebono became Yokozuna mostly because he was a hundred times more aggressive than the others tall guys. Hokuseiho included.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Hankegami

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On 16/05/2023 at 08:32, dingo said:

Agreed, and I'd posit that within Type B there's two types -- B1 who settles in nicely and will be a long-standing ozeki without (m)any hiccups. From this century I'd say Kaio, Kotooshu, Kotoshogiku, Goeido et al fit the bill. B2 are the ones who always seem to be borderline dropouts. Shodai, Tochinoshin, Miyabiyama et al. I guess you could say elevator ozeki in the sense that they always seem to be one makekoshi from demotion. Oh and I wouldn't count rank-ending injuries here since those are force majeure. 

If you're going to count Mitakeumi as rank-ending injury ones, then you have to include Tochinoshin in that list as well considering he went kyuyo in 3 out of 7 basho as Ozeki (and in his 2nd Ozekiwake basho).

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6 hours ago, Hankegami said:

Anyway, I am not persuaded that he will get that high. More than Ichinojo, who peaked at Sekiwake mostly because of his excessive mass, I think that Hokuseiho will peak at Ozeki like fellow tad poles Takanonami and Kotooshu. Akebono became Yokozuna mostly because he was a hundred times more aggressive than the others tall guys. Hokuseiho included.

I don't think we can make any reasonable predictions about Hokuseiho until we see him put forth actual effort for all fifteen fights in a basho. He's going to move pretty slowly up the ranks if he remains attached to his One-Arm Sumo philosophy.

[Katooshu 3,135]

That's a good reminder about Akebono and Hokuseiho. For all the comparisons due to their frames, they had completely different styles. Hokuseiho is much more similar to a Takanonami, or even Baruto or Kotooshu.

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The thing about giants that surprised me in my 20s is that you look at somebody who is 4 to 5 inches taller than you and not carrying an impressive amount of bulk, maybe they can dunk a basketball but it's only because they have to make a relatively short hop ... then you go in the weight room and they are lifting 20-50% more than what you assumed they are capable of. People who are 6'7 or 6'8, under the right circumstances, are capable of producing a shocking amount of power. I've seen Hokuseiho beaten by guys who had an obvious weight and strength advantage (thinking of his matches in Juryo) and I just don't expect that to hold up at all. The way he handled Onosho and Meisei just had me shaking my head and laughing, because he's going to be able to do that to almost everyone. And oh yeah, he trains with Ochiai under Hakuho.

[Katooshu 3,135]

Just needs to stop getting blasted out by Kagayaki.....

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17 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Harumafuji's dohyō-iri was beautiful. But given it's Miyagino, they're probably going to do Hakuhō's variant of Shiranui, which tbh I'm not a big fan of.

I somewhat remeber that  Hakuho intended to create a third style named after him

[rhyen 1,809]

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