Basho Talk Haru 2018 (SPOILERS)

[Kintamayama 47,183]

57 minutes ago, lackmaker said:

Think it's pretty clear from Rhyen's photo that Tochinoshin stepped out.

Looks in the air to me. That's the shadow you see. Think it's much clearer form the videos that he didn't step out.

Edit: No it isn't, he's out. OK.

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,183]

6 minutes ago, Philioyamfugi said:

There must have been a clear mark...  Tochinoshin heal 

He's sick?

[Eikokurai 3,437]

30 minutes ago, Dwale said:

Injured or not, Kakuryu layed down the law today against Ichinojo. That was impressive. He's had some shaky wins this basho, but on the whole he's been exceeding my expectations. 

Mitakeumi is disappointing. He may well be ozeki someday, but he's not ready, whatever his problem is. A shame.

I like Ikioi well enough, but he has never been one of my favorites. That may well change now, as he's been commanding my respect day after day here. 

I'll need to see the Takayasu v Tochinoshin match in higher quality, from a different camera angle...though I guess it doesn't matter now since the call is written in stone. Just curious, really. 

I’ve always liked Ikioi, if only for his pre-tachiai posture. It’s like in post-war photos of rikishi at the shikirisen, with back perfectly straight and parallel to the ground and knees tucked up tight alongside the waist. I’m not sure why but I find it a thing of beauty, perhaps because I am barely able to squat myself ...

 

[Stein 30]

I really, really hope Kakuryu can pull this off

Being a Giku fan has been something painful lately, specially this basho, but if kakuryu wins, at least thats some good news...

[Yatagarasu 352]

It would seem that the secret of surviving Chiyotairyu's tachiai is facing off against the same dominant shoulder.  He leads with his left and so far those who lead with their right straight into it have had good results against him.

 

Ishiura.  Cheap cheap cheap.  

 

Disappointing outcome for the Tochinoshin bout.  I wanted him to win but I can't fault the call.  

 

I rather enjoyed Endo's bout today.  He lost a few but he doesn't seem to be getting worse and is still fit.  I'm still not sure he will KK though.

 

Kakuryu fought like a champ today.  He is getting stronger and it's lovely to see.  

 

Ikioi still struggling to throw with that right arm but I think his fitness and healing is moving in the right direction.  

 

I find myself saying (and hearing) that Mitakeumi isn't living up to his full potential.  Are we expecting too much of him right now?  He's clearly got something there, but maybe needs more strength and experience.  

 

Abi has become a little predictable.  

[Yatagarasu 352]

59 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

I’ve always liked Ikioi, if only for his pre-tachiai posture. It’s like in post-war photos of rikishi at the shikirisen, with back perfectly straight and parallel to the ground and knees tucked up tight alongside the waist. I’m not sure why but I find it a thing of beauty, perhaps because I am barely able to squat myself ...

He does have great posture.  Apparently he does yoga and is certainly more limber than I am (not hard, but still).  I have always admired this about rikishi, who are often maligned as 'fat guys'.  I used to love Harumafuji's final crouch in his shikiri routine when he'd go really low and forward - there was something both ceremonial and extremely primeval about it: 'check me out, I'm going to finish you even though I'm light'.  

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40 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

He does have great posture.  Apparently he does yoga and is certainly more limber than I am (not hard, but still).  I have always admired this about rikishi, who are often maligned as 'fat guys'.  I used to love Harumafuji's final crouch in his shikiri routine when he'd go really low and forward - there was something both ceremonial and extremely primeval about it: 'check me out, I'm going to finish you even though I'm light'.  

One of the best hip stretching moves, that what Harumafuji did pre-bout. Loosening and opening hips (and lower back as well) probably helped him to be more explosive at tachiai. 

[lackmaker 454]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Looks in the air to me. That's the shadow you see. Think it's much clearer form the videos that he didn't step out.

Edit: No it isn't, he's out. OK.

 

I was on the verge of ordering some Goeido spectacles for you.

[robnplunder 978]

1 hour ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

 

Ishiura.  Cheap cheap cheap.  

 

 

Ha, ha.   But you have to admit that he has improved on his henka move.   Blatant and effective.  

[Amamaniac 2,091]

5 hours ago, rhyen said:

It was even earlier when he got push backed to the straw bales at the start of the tachiai.

Pretty sure the judges got that call right, as rhyen clearly illustrates.  

But I would not say that they were upholding Shikimori Kandayu's call.  If you look at the gyoji in that bout, he is watching very intently until the very end, before turning his paddle to point to Takayasu's side of the ring.  It makes me wonder what Kandayu saw when both wrestlers went out at the edge, because that part clearly favoured Tochinoshin.  I'm pretty sure he missed Tochinoshin's heel going out earlier.  Even NHK focused their replays on the fall at the edge.  

Only the West-side shimpan(s) would have caught Tochinoshin's heel out earlier in the bout, but then he should have raised his hand immediately.

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31 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

 

Ha, ha.   But you have to admit that he has improved on his henka move.   Blatant and effective.  

What mystifies me is that people keep falling for it. I’d love it if someone pulled a retreat at the tachiai or a feint and see what happens. 

[Philioyamfugi 378]

2 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

He's sick?

This really took me a while...it's my spelling...I'm an engineer I do math not spelling. 

[Rocks 1,810]

10 hours ago, Chankomafuji said:

I guess the yokozuna won only because Ichinojo was not ready for the match ...

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

[Jakusotsu 6,389]

4 hours ago, ALAKTORN said:

Mitakeumi disappointing… what’s going on? When I watched the Abema stream with Konishiki on commentary, he said Mitake could get the yūshō and I agreed at that point. Now he’s looking really bad.

That might have doomed him. Konishiki has always been notoriously bad with his predictions.

[Rocks 1,810]

Oh yeah, and Tochinoshin's heel was out. You could see it in full motion the first run through.

O-U-T

Edited March 21, 2018 by Rocks

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1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

Only the West-side shimpan(s) would have caught Tochinoshin's heel out earlier in the bout, but then he should have raised his hand immediately.

After the mess caused in one of Harumafuji's matches a little while ago, I really don't think it's a particularly good idea for a shimpan to interrupt a bout based on an inconclusive step-out. I have no idea if any of them actually noticed Tochinoshin's foot outside in real time, but if they did then it was the right call to let the match continue.

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10 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

That might have doomed him. Konishiki has always been notoriously bad with his predictions.

I wonder if he thinks that Hakuho should be demoted from ozeki now after missing two straight tournaments.

[Stein 30]

13 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

"He had Kakuryu"? i dont know what bout you were watching, friend

[Rocks 1,810]

Just now, Stein said:

"He had Kakuryu"? i dont know what bout you were watching, friend

Was there more than one bout between them? 

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15 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

That might have doomed him. Konishiki has always been notoriously bad with his predictions.

Notoriously bad? He predicted the Goeido yusho and the Kisenosato promotion to yokozuna!

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1 minute ago, Rocks said:

Was there more than one bout between them? 

Well, about ten, hehe, but seriously, i saw Kakuryu cool, calm and collected, never in real, real trouble

Ichinojou has rarely beaten him tbh, and half of his two wins have come with blatant henka

[Chankomafuji 51]

17 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

Do you really believe in what you just said or it is that you can not accept the fact that Kakuryu is performing strong and your favourite rikishi, whoever he is, might not win the yusho?
Absolutely ridiculous.

[Rocks 1,810]

Just now, Chankomafuji said:

Do you really believe in what you just said or it is that you can not accept the fact that Kakuryu is performing strong and your favourite rikishi, whoever he is, might not win the yusho?
Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't say things I don't believe, no. Watch the video again. Stop the video just prior to Ichinojo trying to lift Kakuryu out. At no time is Kakuryu looking good. Ichinojo made a mistake and paid for it. I give Kakuryu all the credit for making him pay, but without the  mistake Kakuryu doesn't win. 

[lackmaker 454]

18 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

Maybe not enough credit there for Kakuryu?

Not quite sure what too ready means. But if Ichinojo was anxious then he likely wasn't really mentally ready.

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Just now, lackmaker said:

Maybe not enough credit there for Kakuryu?

Not quite sure what too ready means. But if Ichinojo was anxious then he likely wasn't really mentally ready.

Too ready means he was too anxious to get the win. His patience is what has served him best this basho and he forgot that. So you could say he wasn't mentally ready to a degree.