Basho Talk Haru 2018 (SPOILERS)

[MrGrumpyGills 119]

Chiyomaru beats Mitakeumi in a belt match. Now I've seen everything XD
(For some reason I've got a soft spot for the Chiyo bros, so it's nice to see him doing fairly well at his highest rank)

[maorencze 144]

1 hour ago, Rocks said:

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

He didn't do that badly, just that one mistake he might have gotten away with mid-Maegashira guys he's used to face. But yokozuna is a different story, so in a way he was not ready to face Kakuryu.

[Yatagarasu 352]

2 hours ago, Rocks said:

Okay, I just was able to watch it. Yes, Ichinojo blew it. He had Kakuryu. He should never gone for the lift out straight away after getting both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. In doing so he stood straight up giving Kakuryu the chance to push him out. Worse he did it before Kakuryu had even expended much of his energy. If he would have leaned on Kakuryu a while and let him struggle he would have had nothing left to get Ichinojo out. Ichinojo was ready for the match, too ready. He just got anxious and blew it.

Ichinojo blew it the second the bout started. He reached too openly in going for the belt and in doing so allowed Kakuryu to get a right hand inside grip immediately. After that he was a worm on a hook. 

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

29 minutes ago, MrGrumpyGills said:

Chiyomaru beats Mitakeumi in a belt match. Now I've seen everything XD
(For some reason I've got a soft spot for the Chiyo bros, so it's nice to see him doing fairly well at his highest rank)

Indeed. Quite amazing how Cubehead left behind the Kimurayama-style from Juryo and doesn't avoid physical contact anymore. I like that new Chiyomaru a lot.

[Rocks 1,807]

28 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

Ichinojo blew it the second the bout started. He reached too openly in going for the belt and in doing so allowed Kakuryu to get a right hand inside grip immediately. After that he was a worm on a hook. 

That's an interesting interpretation given Ichinojo immediately breaks that grip, easily by the way, and Kakuryu doesn't get it back until Ichinojo gets both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. At which point it's useless. Kakuryu barely uses his right hand to get Ichinojo out. Using mostly his left hand to lift Ichinojo.

[yorikiried by fate 1,989]

9 hours ago, rhyen said:

Anyway, anyone able to come up with a new kimarite for this Aminishiki's win?

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I didn't see the bout, but from the picture: yedi-otoshi? From the visuals related to Chiyotaikai's yedi-koshikudake against Baruto way back in the Glorious Times of the Only Acceptable Senshuraku Outcome (Ozeki Edition).

[Munjeezy 60]

Random thought today, down in jonokuchi Hatorrizakura has posted numerous 0-7 records.  Will he ever be put banzuke-gai or just stay at jk24ish?

[Yatagarasu 352]

41 minutes ago, Rocks said:

That's an interesting interpretation given Ichinojo immediately breaks that grip, easily by the way, and Kakuryu doesn't get it back until Ichinojo gets both his hands on Kakuryu's mawashi. At which point it's useless. Kakuryu barely uses his right hand to get Ichinojo out. Using mostly his left hand to lift Ichinojo.

Again, we must have watched a different bout as it wasn’t broken immediately. Kakuryu still had his arm well inside which made recovering easier. But my point was simply that Ichinojo was on the proverbial back foot from the start, both physically and psychologically. Kakuryu deserves more credit that Ichinojo making a late mistake. 

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

The longer I read about the Kakuryu-Ichinojo bout, the more I like to know Mike Wesemann's take on it.

[Rocks 1,807]

5 minutes ago, Yatagarasu said:

Again, we must have watched a different bout as it wasn’t broken immediately. Kakuryu still had his arm well inside which made recovering easier. But my point was simply that Ichinojo was on the proverbial back foot from the start, both physically and psychologically. Kakuryu deserves more credit that Ichinojo making a late mistake. 

Well, I don't know how one second later isn't immediately. In any case once Ichinojo did that he had Kakuryu's right hand firmly locked in his arm pit, stretching him out and leaning on Kakuryu. Had he kept that postion for 10 or 20 seconds he could have easily put Kakutyu away. Instead he went for the 2 hand grip and a quick lift out, dumb.

[Rocks 1,807]

1 minute ago, Jakusotsu said:

The longer I read about the Kakuryu-Ichinojo bout, the more I like to know Mike Wesemann's take on it.

He'll say that wasn't actually Ichinojo. 

[Yukiarashi 195]

Kakuryu continues to be impressive. I think a zensho is really possible, but he still has Takayasu and Tochinoshin yet.  

Takayasu's bowling ball worked against Tochinoshin as his midsection is really the only area Tochinoshin lacks size in. I guess I have to give him some credit now with nine straight wins, but he still hasn't been overly impressive nearly losing today again. 

How impressive has Chiyomaru been? We don't give him much credit as he looks like a giant globe needing continents printed on his belly, but he was incredibly impressive on the mawashi beating Mitakeumi. Definitely a strange career surge, even more so with his alternative physique, but I'm enjoying it and have become a big fan. What has happened to Mitakeumi though? 5-6 and 6-13 since day 8 Hatsu.

Chiyotairyu with his pink mawashi looked like a 190kg salmon flopping down today.

Fitting that Kaisei's career basho comes with a fusen victory

Yoshikaze 3-8. I think he may come back strong in the next bashos, but his performance has been very sad this basho.

Incredible KK by an injured Ikioi on day 11 too, Yutakayama also very impressive day 11 KK

How many henkas for Ishiura now? Kotoyuki rolls vertically as well as he does horizontally.

DAISHOMARU DAY 11 KK! 8-3! THE DAI-NASTY is starting!!!

<<How is he not mentioned as most adorable rikishi?

Cool win by Kyokutaisei, almost there!

What on earth is wrong with Takanoiwa? 5-6 at J12? Didn't the injury report say he'd be ready for Kyushu?

[Yukiarashi 195]

16 minutes ago, Munjeezy said:

Random thought today, down in jonokuchi Hatorrizakura has posted numerous 0-7 records.  Will he ever be put banzuke-gai or just stay at jk24ish?

I think he can only be removed for being injured, otherwise he'll stay stagnant at the bottom of Jonokuchi. 

[Dwale 419]

19 minutes ago, Yukiarashi said:

Kotoyuki rolls vertically as well as he does horizontally.

Haha. So he does, must be his aerodynamics.

[Yamanashi 3,725]

5 hours ago, Rocks said:

I don't say things I don't believe, no. Watch the video again. Stop the video just prior to Ichinojo trying to lift Kakuryu out. At no time is Kakuryu looking good. Ichinojo made a mistake and paid for it. I give Kakuryu all the credit for making him pay, but without the  mistake Kakuryu doesn't win. 

I'm a rank newbie, but that's how the bout looked to me, too.  I figured if Ichinojo got into the mawashi and waited, the opponent was toast; this happened again and again (Mitakeumi went right at him before he could lock up).  When Kakuryu got into a clench, it looked like a mistake.  And when Ichinojo snapped out his hand and got that second grip, I thought "that's it." Ichinojo lifted Kakuryu, set him back down and then ... Kakuryu did some sort of Yokozuna stuff that I still don't understand after watching it five or six times!  A little rocking, a little pushing, a little nudging, and all of a sudden Ichinojo is exiting out the back of the dohyo.  Wow.

[bettega 427]

Ichinojo was doomed from tachiai 

 

It'll be an exciting 12nd day - Kaisei (!!!), Endo and lots of stuff to watch.

 

(I do miss Hakuho)

 

[Morty 1,480]

9 hours ago, Yatagarasu said:

 

Ishiura.  Cheap cheap cheap.  

 

 

In a sport with no weight classes a little guy like Ishiura will hardly ever win against guys a foot taller than him and who outweigh him by 50+kilograms if all he does is go chest to chest against them. He might get an occasional win that way but most of the time he is going to get monstered by guys much, much bigger than him, and end up back in makushita (or worse) acting as the servant of one of those big guys. For a guy his size the henka is an absolutely legitimate tactic and if the bigger guys keep falling for it more fool them. He simply cannot compete at the tachiai chest to chest against guys who outweigh him by so much - that is just basic physics. For a guy his size to have made it to Makuuchi and to be succeeding (sometimes) there should be applauded. I cheer every time he uses the henka and the bigger guy falls for it

[Rocks 1,807]

Straight from the Kyokai site;

 

East Maegashira #15 Sokokurai （Arashio Beya）	has withdrawn the 12th Day of the March Tournament.
West Juryo #10 Mitoryu （Nishikido Beya）	has withdrawn the 12th Day of the March Tournament

[WAKATAKE 2,631]

Let's not forget that Hakuho has had some shaky matches during basho where he ended up taking the yusho in the end. Kakuryu seems to be on pace and barring repeat of the last basho, the yusho is definitely his to lose. 

 

[Gurowake 3,922]

Kaisei gets Kakuryu Day 13.  Mitakeumi catches a bit of a break.

[Rocks 1,807]

3 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Kaisei gets Kakuryu Day 13.  Mitakeumi catches a bit of a break.

Wow! I wonder why they did that?

[Rocks 1,807]

I wonder if that means Kaisei will get an Ozeki day 14 and 15 too instead of Mitakeumi. Talk about a break. 

[Kuroyama 715]

2 hours ago, Morty said:

In a sport with no weight classes a little guy like Ishiura will hardly ever win against guys a foot taller than him and who outweigh him by 50+kilograms if all he does is go chest to chest against them. He might get an occasional win that way but most of the time he is going to get monstered by guys much, much bigger than him, and end up back in makushita (or worse) acting as the servant of one of those big guys. For a guy his size the henka is an absolutely legitimate tactic and if the bigger guys keep falling for it more fool them. He simply cannot compete at the tachiai chest to chest against guys who outweigh him by so much - that is just basic physics. For a guy his size to have made it to Makuuchi and to be succeeding (sometimes) there should be applauded. I cheer every time he uses the henka and the bigger guy falls for it

Absolutely. They should EXPECT a henka from him. It's hard to believe anyone charges straight in against him, but there we are.

And by setting up the expectation of a henka, he also prevents the 50+kg heavier guys from charging into the tachiai all out themselves, allowing him to get inside once in a while if that's what he wants to do. I could be misremembering, or taking a few remarkable bouts and mistaking them as more typical than they are, but it seems to me that if he can get his head in low with a left inside grip, he wins as often as not.

[lackmaker 432]

2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Kaisei gets Kakuryu Day 13.  Mitakeumi catches a bit of a break.

Looking like its the big match up for Kakuryu today. Beat Tochinoshin and he'd be strong favourite to win at least 2 of the last 3 bouts.

[Yukiarashi 195]

I know I have joked about it a few times now, but for me the story of the basho with all that's gone on so far has to be the 32-year old soggy Akiseyama arisen from the dead and is temporarily leading Juryo at 9-3. He got a lot of banzuke luck in his promotion, but today's comeback victory against a KK seeking Daishoho really surprised me. This right in the same area as returning Makuuchi mainstay Takanoiwa is deeply struggling at 5-7 too. I would love to see him get the yusho, as he had an ugly 1-14 exit to the division when he was last ranked here nearly two years ago!

Edited March 22, 2018 by Yukiarashi