Kyushu 2014 - General Talk

[torquato 1,075]

Este basho será muy interesante.

Ja, finde ich auch. ;)

Edited November 14, 2014 by torquato

[luispereira 383]

damn...someone bring a couple of beers to kak and ichi!! nice action this basho

[Akinomaki 41,820]

Without the extended lower divisions coverage I hadn't yet noticed:

Daikiho is at last doing well (3-0), but in sandanme.

Endo's heya mate Kawabata may join Daikiho there in one or two basho (0-3). Are they first destroying the abilities of gifted university rikishi in Oitekaze-beya to make them start again from scratch? Endo may experience a drop to juryo in the next year if he goes on like that.

I don't even know if Urutora is appearing this basho in mae-zumo or is "kyujo" - I don't think there even is something like kyujo for a banzuke-gai rikishi.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Asameshimae 220]

I admit to being a bit worried, as dominant as Ichinojo has been, that he might walk all over the yokozuna(s). The Kaku bout seems to confirm for me: Ichinojo definitely is a force to be reckoned as we expected; and the yokozuna are still not pushovers. I am happy with this.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Asameshimae

[krindel 688]

I don't even know if Urutora is appearing this basho in mae-zumo or is "kyujo" - I don't think there even is something like kyujo for a banzuke-gai rikishi.

There was a post about Urutora having a long-term injury last basho which would keep him out for months.

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

I don't think there even is something like kyujo for a banzuke-gai rikishi.

Hmm, aren't techniclally all banzuke-gai rikishi not participating in mae-zumo kyujo? No need to announce as such of course.

[Akinomaki 41,820]

I don't think there even is something like kyujo for a banzuke-gai rikishi.

Hmm, aren't techniclally all banzuke-gai rikishi not participating in mae-zumo kyujo? No need to announce as such of course.

In the database for Aki the banzuke-gai rikishi appearing again in mae-zumo are not listed as banzuke-gai, but before the basho they obviously have been in that list. Still in the banzuke-gai list after the basho is thus in fact equal to a kyujo, but without info about mae-zumo, you will know the database status of the rikishi (Bg or Mz) only when the next banzuke is announced and the rikisihi is still off or again on it (but the sai-shusse are usually reported together with the shinjo-shusse).

Edited November 14, 2014 by Akinomaki

[Mongolith 51]

One of the writers posted a cool chart on ST ranking the current Makuuchi by their age, weight, height. I found it informational and a good way to gauge those on the up.

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Edited November 14, 2014 by Mongolith

[lackmaker 454]

So how often does a maegashira beat 3 yokozuna in the same tournament?

[Gernobono 467]

The Kaku bout seems to confirm for me: Ichinojo definitely seems to be the force to be reckoned with that we expected; and the yokozuna are still not pushovers.

for me kakuryu is no yokozuna and even is questionable (like goeido) as ozeki

[Fay 1,677]

The Kaku bout seems to confirm for me: Ichinojo definitely seems to be the force to be reckoned with that we expected; and the yokozuna are still not pushovers.

for me kakuryu is no yokozuna and even is questionable (like goeido) as ozeki

I hear your complaining about Kakuryu for years now and he always proves that you are wrong (Yawning...) :-P

[Kotoshoumi 31]

Kakuryu - Ichinojo had me on the edge of my seat!

And what an upset was Takayasu - Hakuho! I yelled out loudly when I saw the outcome and one of my housemates (who are all not into sumo, wich I momentarily forgot) came to check on me and wanted to know what all the fuss was about:

Me enthusiastically: "Hakuho just lost to Takayasu cause he slipped, wich I totally didn't expect! This puts Kakuryu as the sole leader of Kyushu basho with lot's of guys coming up behind him with just a couple of losses. And it was really close or he would've lost today too! Ichinojo really is a force to be reckoned with for the entire makuuchi division including all three yokozuna!"

Housemate: "Who? What? The fat one slipped?"

Me: "Nevermind."

:)

Edited November 14, 2014 by Kotoshoumi

[krindel 688]

So how often does a maegashira beat 3 yokozuna in the same tournament?

Most recent I could find was Onokuni in Kyushu 1983, 31 years ago, and Tochiakagi in 1979, again at Kyushu (although Tochiakagi also lost one to Kitanoumi, while Onokuni beat all three Yokozuna he faced). Then comes Asashio, in 1955 (suprisingly at Hatsu, not Kyushu), also with a 3-0 against Yokozuna, and Wakanohana in 1953 Hatsu, again with 3-0.

And that's about it, as much as I can find...

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

So how often does a maegashira beat 3 yokozuna in the same tournament?

Most recent I could find was Onokuni in Kyushu 1983, 31 years ago, and Tochiakagi in 1979, again at Kyushu (although Tochiakagi also lost one to Kitanoumi, while Onokuni beat all three Yokozuna he faced). Then comes Asashio, in 1955 (suprisingly at Hatsu, not Kyushu), also with a 3-0 against Yokozuna, and Wakanohana in 1953 Hatsu, again with 3-0.

And that's about it, as much as I can find...

The two times at Hatsu, not Kyushu, were purely out of necessity as the Kyushu basho started only in 1957. ;-) So it's always the basho after Aki, immediately rising Takayasu's chance for the triple.

[yorikiried by fate 2,038]

This must be one of the longest (Makuuchi) bouts for Kakuryu. IMHO it shows a lot about the quality of Ichinojo that a guy who happens to be both crafty and a Yokozuna really had to take a deep look into his toolbox.

(Followed by a deep look into the lunchbox by both guys for sure.)

Edited November 14, 2014 by yorikiried by fate

[yorikiried by fate 2,038]

One of the writers posted a cool chart on ST ranking the current Makuuchi by their age, weight, height. I found it informational and a good way to gauge those on the up.

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Toyohibiki and Tamawashi have the same birthday? Are they allowed to fight each other?

And both Jokoryu's and Kyokushuho's mother are still heartbroken about the missed opportunity, I guess...

Edited November 14, 2014 by yorikiried by fate

[Kintamayama 47,232]

One of the writers posted a cool chart on ST ranking the current Makuuchi by their age, weight, height. I found it informational and a good way to gauge those on the up.

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It's all a conspiracy.

[Kintamayama 47,232]

Hakuhou had 82 consecutive wins against hiramaku rikishi till his loss today to Takayasu. His last loss to a hiramaku was last Hatsu when he lost to Myougiryuu.

[Kotogouryuu 143]

I admit to being a bit worried, as dominant as Ichinojo has been, that he might walk all over the yokozuna(s). The Kaku bout seems to confirm for me: Ichinojo definitely is a force to be reckoned as we expected; and the yokozuna are still not pushovers. I am happy with this.

Fully agreed. Kakuryu experienced just how hard it is to push Ichinojo back, but still found a way to win. The Big I is the real deal, and Kakuryu is underrated (by me as well, I'll admit)

[Kotogouryuu 143]

Me enthusiastically: "Hakuho just lost to Takayasu cause he slipped

The thing is, Takayasu delivered a very well placed slap at the end. It wasn't just Hakuho slipping, Takayasu really won that one.

[bettega 433]

A Kimboshi from Hakuho - a marvel! Rarest thing since the Dodo exctintion! :D

Edited November 15, 2014 by bettega

[shumitto 419]

Some stats: Kyokutenho's 900th win today. He is 3rd overall after Kaio (1st) and Chiyonofuji (2nd). The bout query gives a 901-904 record for Kyokutenho though. Wakanosato is just 6 wins away from Kyokutenho and is going strong at 5-1 with some very nice wins.

Kotoeko is too light, Azumaryu ( will he try a henka tomorrow ?) is simply too easy to push with that knee and Tokushinho is too static for a lower Juryo that makes even Tochihiryu look dominant.

Edited November 15, 2014 by shumitto

[Asashosakari 20,252]

Some stats: Kyokutenho's 900th win today. He is 3rd overall after Kaio (1st) and Chiyonofuji (2nd). The bout query gives a 901-904 record for Kyokutenho though.

The bout query can't be used that way, it's missing lower-division bouts for older rikishi (and includes playoffs, hence Tenho at 901).

Top 10 wins as of today:

1047 Kaio

1045 Chiyonofuji

964 Oshio

951 Kitanoumi

900 Kyokutenho*

890 Wakanosato*

872 Taiho

871 Hakuho*

858 Terao

822 Akinoshima

[Mukonoso 273]

I used my sumo app's one free bout view a day ability just to see what the excitement was about. Way to go Yasu! No need to stop at Ama. Three times was enough. You had bigger fish to fry. :)

which sumo app is this? Is it searchable in English or in Japanese type only? Thanks.

[Morty 1,518]

The Kaku bout seems to confirm for me: Ichinojo definitely seems to be the force to be reckoned with that we expected; and the yokozuna are still not pushovers.

for me kakuryu is no yokozuna and even is questionable (like goeido) as ozeki

He's proved he is Yok material to me - since becoming Yok he has lifted the level of his performances and deserves the rope IMHO