Kintamayama 45,530 Posted November 12, 2012 Baruto was injured in his match against Shohouzan today. He injured the back of his left thigh. Add that to his right thumb detachment that sent him to kyujo and his bum left knee, and well. He went to the hospital today and was diagnosed with a pulled thigh muscle. "We'll see tomorrow morning,"said Onoe Oyakata, knowing full well a kyujo will send him to Sekiwake nextiwake bashowake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swami 245 Posted November 12, 2012 Baruto has certainly had more than his fair share of injuries through his career. Here's hoping he comes through. Swami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Millwood 41 Posted November 12, 2012 I continue to be frustated by the loss of good Sumo caused by injuries that don't have time to heal, leading to perpetually weakened rikishi. I wish they'd institute a take a basho off rule for recovery without serious loss of position for maegashira, and maintainence of Ozeki status. But only if announced before the basho. No getting out of a bad record by withdrawing part way through. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
勝 Katsu 20 Posted November 12, 2012 The crowd too was obviously alarmed to see him limping out of the dohyo. I thought I saw blood in his knee bandage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted November 12, 2012 ... I wish they'd institute a take a basho off rule for recovery without serious loss of position for maegashira, and maintainence of Ozeki status. But only if announced before the basho. No getting out of a bad record by withdrawing part way through. Great idea. And they could give it a catchy name like "kosho seido". (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) ... I wish they'd institute a take a basho off rule for recovery without serious loss of position for maegashira, and maintainence of Ozeki status. But only if announced before the basho. No getting out of a bad record by withdrawing part way through. Great idea. And they could give it a catchy name like "kosho seido". (Sigh...) And then you'll get a horrifying on-the-dohyo injury (like Kotooshu's last time or even worse) and everyone will be thinking "How come a slacker can get a basho free for claiming a pre-basho boo-boo and someone who breaks an arm in National TV gets penalized?" ... Just to be clear, I do think the allowance for an allowance of off-basho for injured people is a necessity. Implementing it is tough, and I guess it goes to managing to both investigate injury claims, as well as making sure everyone understands its a privileged that should not be abused... Edited November 12, 2012 by krindel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted November 12, 2012 Implementing it is tough, and I guess it goes to managing to both investigate injury claims, as well as making sure everyone understands its a privileged that should not be abused... I guess that's why exactly this system was abolished in 2004... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted November 12, 2012 Implementing it is tough, and I guess it goes to managing to both investigate injury claims, as well as making sure everyone understands its a privileged that should not be abused... I guess that's why exactly this system was abolished in 2004... I know, and I still feel its a necessity and should be brought back... In my opinion, the possibility for exploit doesn't outbalance the number of obviously injured rikishi who we keep seeing fighting since that abolition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted November 12, 2012 I don't feel that way. If you're good enough to have the ranking, you should be good enough to re-earn it. You don't get to reserve it, this isn't a restaurant. Step up or get sent down. And if you're injured, take your time off , then come back when you can and fight your way up, or retire. This is sumo, the most brutal sport in the world as far as I know and it is a savage darwinian nightmare and a test of will and if you don't like it chop off your little hairdo and go sell groceries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krindel 675 Posted November 12, 2012 I guess it depends on what people want to see. If the perception of sumo is a bloodsport where people fight until they have to be hauled off to the hospital with the motive of maintaining their position on the hill, then its true that kosho has no place in the sport. For me, the sight of Baruto in the last two tournaments trying to fight with an obviously debilitating injury is something that I would prefer not to have on the dohyo, but that's just my view. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Igordemorais 75 Posted November 13, 2012 It is his choice to step on the dohyo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Radical 16 Posted November 13, 2012 Doesn't the oyakata have a pretty big say in it? Refuse your oyakata's wishes and I'm going to assume your life will be a living hell. Not that I'm saying Baruto's shishou forced him to wrestle with an injury but it doesn't seem like it would be as simple as it being your own choice as a rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted November 13, 2012 He's out of course.Diagnosis-left thigh injury-three weeks to heal. Oyakata says no chance of returning this basho. "For his future, it's better he heals properly and comes back ready and able next basho." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IzumoTaisha 2 Posted November 13, 2012 Doesn't the oyakata have a pretty big say in it? Refuse your oyakata's wishes and I'm going to assume your life will be a living hell. Not that I'm saying Baruto's shishou forced him to wrestle with an injury but it doesn't seem like it would be as simple as it being your own choice as a rikishi. Does the attainment of any particular rank or level of success ever play into how much influence an individual can wield over their next move such as whether or not they are fit to wrestle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,029 Posted November 13, 2012 It is his choice to step on the dohyo. Not if tradition usually demands "heal injuries by doing keiko". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,948 Posted November 13, 2012 Doesn't the oyakata have a pretty big say in it? Refuse your oyakata's wishes and I'm going to assume your life will be a living hell. Not that I'm saying Baruto's shishou forced him to wrestle with an injury but it doesn't seem like it would be as simple as it being your own choice as a rikishi. Does the attainment of any particular rank or level of success ever play into how much influence an individual can wield over their next move such as whether or not they are fit to wrestle? I think it might do. It might also depend on the personality of the rikishi and on that of his oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted November 13, 2012 I called it in Akibasho, this many kadoban ozeki especially as they are all injured. A demotion was inevitable and we are far from done. Both the Kotos look shaky to me. Exciting Hatsubasho anyways looking for one time only repromotion with ten wins! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,667 Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) I called it in Akibasho, this many kadoban ozeki especially as they are all injured. A demotion was inevitable and we are far from done. You said it was inevitable because there supposedly aren't enough wins to go around to save three ozeki at once (which is still just as wrong as it was two months ago), not because the three kadoban ozeki wouldn't be recovered sufficiently. Edited November 13, 2012 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted November 13, 2012 Baruto has nothing to complain about here. If he should fail to regain his rank it will make it a total of five basho with fewer than 10 wins. Not Ozeki level at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peeter 15 Posted November 13, 2012 Dear shumitto: here are the results of Baruto's last 3 year career 11-4; 12-3; 9-6; 12-3J; 14-1J; 10-5; 8-7; 9-6; 11-4; 9-6; 10-5; 11-4; 10-5; 11-4; 14-1Y; 10-5; 9-6; 9-6 Who's better? ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pandaazuma 1,310 Posted November 13, 2012 Baruto has nothing to complain about here. If he should fail to regain his rank it will make it a total of five basho with fewer than 10 wins. Not Ozeki level at all. An uninjured Baruto was for quite a while the number two guy on the banzuke...Harumafuji has recently displaced him, but only in the last two basho. He has been a reasonably strong ozeki, in my opinion. No point opening the old kosho argument here but I still find it disappointing that the kyokai fail to protect their ozeki-tachi when they have genuine serious injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asabiru 8 Posted November 13, 2012 What happened to Asasekiryū? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swami 245 Posted November 13, 2012 If he does get demoted, assuming the injury can heal, he should be able to make it back up to ozeki. But if this is going to a be a chronic injury it might be problematic. Swami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted November 13, 2012 What happened to Asasekiryū? Old ankle injury acting up-out of the basho. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted November 13, 2012 An uninjured Baruto was for quite a while the number two guy on the banzuke...Harumafuji has recently displaced him, but only in the last two basho. He has been a reasonably strong ozeki, in my opinion. No point opening the old kosho argument here but I still find it disappointing that the kyokai fail to protect their ozeki-tachi when they have genuine serious injuries. An 'uninjured' Baruto is a mere future possibility as of today. Real Baruto is a rikishi unable to mount the dohyo for the second straight basho and if can't get back on his feet for January he will have to stay at sekiwake for at least another two basho, and rightly so. No doubt he has quality, but he has to show it again. By the way, I hope he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
