Jonosuke 28 Posted May 23, 2005 Jiji Press Nagoya Basho Forecast ------------------------------------- Yokozuna East Asashoryu Ozeki East Tochiazuma Ozeki West Chiyotaikai Ozeki West Kaiou Sekiwake East Hakuho Sekiwake West Kotomitsuki Komusubi East Kotooshu Komusubi West Miyabiyama M1 East Kyokushuzan M1 West Dejima M2 East Roho M2 West Kakizoe M3 East Wakanosato M3 West Futeno M4 East Hokutoriki M4 West Tamanoshima M5 East Kyokutenho M5 West Tosanoumi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,243 Posted May 23, 2005 (edited) M1 West Dejima... M2 West Kakizoe Huh? Edited May 23, 2005 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakana 46 Posted May 23, 2005 maybe Kotomitsuki as S1E and Hakuhou as S1W ? Is it possible ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattjila 0 Posted May 23, 2005 I guess I hadn't pondered my GTB yet, but it surprised me to see 8-7 Miyabiyama as a komusubi! Then I go back and look at the results and whaddayaknow...he *is* the highest Maegashira winner. Huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted May 23, 2005 From the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper: Yokozuna East Asashoryu Ozeki East Tochiazuma Ozeki West Chiyotaikai Ozeki West Kaiou Sekiwake East Hakuho Sekiwake West Kotomitsuki Komusubi East Kotooshu Komusubi West Miyabiyama M1 East Kyokushuzan M1 West Kakizoe M2 East Roho M2 West Wakanosato M3 East Futeno M3 West Dejima M4 East Tosanoumi M4 West Hokutoriki M5 East Tamanoshima M5 West Kyokutenho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekihiryu 51 Posted May 24, 2005 Does seem atravesty that a M3 who barely scraped a KK with a lucky 8-7 and who generally looked pretty ordinary all basho gets handed a Komusubi slot. Them are the breaks though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amgaa99 0 Posted May 24, 2005 (edited) I have few questions. 1. Is it possible there is a only one komusubi in Nagoya? 2. Can Hakurozan debut in makuuchi in Nagoya? 3. Can Kotomitsuki became ozeki in next basho of Nagoya? How many wins enough to became ozeki? Edited May 24, 2005 by amgaa99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 625 Posted May 24, 2005 1. Is it possible there is a only one komusubi in Nagoya? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will answer this one cause it is the easiest one.... :-S . I am quite certain their will be 2 Komusubi next tournament. (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoshidango 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Does seem atravesty that a M3 who barely scraped a KK with a lucky 8-7 and who generally looked pretty ordinary all basho gets handed a Komusubi slot. Them are the breaks though <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I share this thought with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zuikakuyama 1 Posted May 24, 2005 I would not call his 8-7 in the meatgrinder luck. He is one of those under-rated rikishi that people seem to pick on because of his past history as an Ozeki. And for the last year or so, he has maintained his form except for 1 basho. He certainly is more qualified than someone from M5+ who gets a better record but did not have to face any of the top guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oimeru 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Time to step out of lurkerdom, as the banzuke is my favourite subject! (Carried away on a stretcher...) I have few questions. 1. Is it possible there is a only one komusubi in Nagoya? I think there must always be two komusubi at any time...I expect Miyabiyama up there as well. 2. Can Hakurozan debut in makuuchi in Nagoya? The first version of my "Guess the Banzuke"-banzuke says yes (Nodding yes...) 3. Can Kotomitsuki became ozeki in next basho of Nagoya? How many wins enough to became ozeki? He's had a 9-6 and a 13-2...with another 12-3 I see a good chance, maybe even with 11-4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brewdude 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Any media have guesses on the rest of the Makuuchi field Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,243 Posted May 24, 2005 I was crowing rather loudly in the senshuraku chat that there's no way Miyabiyama gets the Komusubi West slot, but with a few days of reflection (and helped by the newspaper guesses) I'm beginning to have second thoughts. Hmm, 13 half-ranks and 4 wins...I guess that might not be borderline enough to speak in Shuzan's favour, given that a win in the meatgrinder is usually still equated to 3 half-ranks (rather than 4 as they've done in lower Makuuchi and Juryo for the last two years or so). I'm still puzzled by the Jiji forecast though...does it really have Dejima above Kakizoe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted May 24, 2005 i am sure the Dejima-Kakizoe thing was a mistake ... there is no way on earth this could happen... (i will come back with ideas as soon as i get down to make my GTB entry) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted May 24, 2005 It's possible that they sent a "correction" at a later time but I did not get it. So here's its entirety in Japanese. I'm still puzzled by the Jiji forecast though...does it really have Dejima above Kakizoe? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 05/22 19:56 時: ○名古屋場所予想番付＝大相撲時事通信ニュース速報JST:0505221955GMT:0505221055 ○名古屋場所予想番付＝大相撲 （東） （西） 朝青龍 横綱 栃 東 大関 千代大 大関 魁 皇 白 鵬 関脇○琴光喜○琴欧州 小結○雅 山 旭鷲山 前１ 出 島 露 鵬 前２ 垣 添 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiguma_Rascal 0 Posted May 25, 2005 Here is my personal forecast through M10. I made it myself without referring to any others, and it's my first attempt. In parentheses are (previous rank, record, and change) Please tell me if you think it's about right. Rank | East | West Y | Asashoryuu (YE 15-0, 0) | O1 | Tochiazuma (O1W 12-3, +1) | Chiyotaikai (O2W 10-5, +1) O2 | | Kaio (O1E 5-1-9, -2) S | Hakuho (SE 9-6, 0) | Kotomitsuki (KE 13-2, +1) K | Kotooshu (M5E 10-5, +10) | Miyabiyama (M3E 8-7, +5) M1 | Kakizoe (M5W 9-6, +9) | Dejima (M6E 9-6, +9) M2 | Kyokushuzan (M9W 12-3, +15) | Roho (M1W 7-8, -2) M3 | Wakanosato (KW 6-9, -5) | Tosanoumi (SW 4-11, -8) M4 | Hokutoriki (M6W 8-7, +5) | Tamanoshima (M1E 5-10, -7) M5 | Futeno (M10E 11-4, +10) | Kyokutenho (M3W 6-9, -4) M6 | Kokkai (M2E 5-10, -8) | Tochinonada (M2W 5-10, -8) M7 | Kotonowaka (M8E 8-7, +2) | Asasekiryu (M8W 8-7, +2) M8 | Ama (M9E 8-7, +2) | Iwakiyama (M4W 5-10, -8) M9 | Aminishiki (M11E 8-7, +4) | Kaiho (M4E 4-11, -11) M10 | Kotoshogiku (M14E 10-5, +8) | Jumonji (M7W 6-9, -6) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,259 Posted May 25, 2005 It might be right. Your promotions and demotions are pretty small, but this tends to be the current fashion in the Kyokai, so you might be right on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiguma_Rascal 0 Posted May 25, 2005 Thanks for the answer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted May 25, 2005 My take is on Sekiwake situation is this: Kotomitsuki with 13-2 as Komusubi should win over Hakuho with 9-6 as Sekiwake so Mitsuki on East while Haku on West Sekiwake. Though I have no firm background basis for this but just a feeling. Both are Sanyakus and faced pretty much same opponents and Mitsuki's 13 wins is a quality result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,222 Posted May 25, 2005 My take is on Sekiwake situation is this: Kotomitsuki with 13-2 as Komusubi should win over Hakuho with 9-6 as Sekiwake so Mitsuki on East while Haku on West Sekiwake. Though I have no firm background basis for this but just a feeling. Both are Sanyakus and faced pretty much same opponents and Mitsuki's 13 wins is a quality result. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I ever saw a Sekiwake East with a KK being overtaken by a Komusubi, regardless of his record. Anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,243 Posted May 25, 2005 I don't think I ever saw a Sekiwake East with a KK being overtaken by a Komusubi, regardless of his record. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I checked this a few days ago...can't get to the complete data right now, but suffice it to say it has happened plenty of times, especially with 8-7 Sekiwake, but also a few 9-6. For the latter, see the second case here, and this one, and a more recent one (that also mirrors the current case quite nicely). Other cases for a 4-win difference are these (Komusubi took precedence in both), and this (here the Sekiwake got the nod). I expect Mickey to be Sekiwake East in July. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,222 Posted May 25, 2005 I don't think I ever saw a Sekiwake East with a KK being overtaken by a Komusubi, regardless of his record. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I checked this a few days ago...can't get to the complete data right now, but suffice it to say it has happened plenty of times, especially with 8-7 Sekiwake, but also a few 9-6. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh..Didn't realize that. OTOH, it happens internally at Ozeki, so why not Sekiwake/Komusubi?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiguma_Rascal 0 Posted May 25, 2005 So as a hypothetical question, if Tosanoumi had also managed a KK, like 8-7, there would then be 3 sekiwake? There is never a demotion from sekiwake with a KK, right? It'll be interesting to see if Mickey can make an Ozeki run. It will add an interesting sub-plot for the next basho. Maybe he can get some advice from Wakanosato about how to do it. (Being thrown tomatoes at...) I noticed that nobody playing "Guess the Kotomitsuki" thought he he would get anywhere near 13-2. I think a "Guess the Asashoryu" game would be a lot easier to predict accurately. (You are going off-topic...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_the_mind_ 0 Posted May 26, 2005 So as a hypothetical question, if Tosanoumi had also managed a KK, like 8-7, there would then be 3 sekiwake? There is never a demotion from sekiwake with a KK, right?It'll be interesting to see if Mickey can make an Ozeki run. It will add an interesting sub-plot for the next basho. Maybe he can get some advice from Wakanosato about how to do it. (Whistling...) I noticed that nobody playing "Guess the Kotomitsuki" thought he he would get anywhere near 13-2. I think a "Guess the Asashoryu" game would be a lot easier to predict accurately. :-P <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes there could have been 3 sekiwake if tosanoumi had gotten KK ...a few bashos ago when tochiazum got demoted there were 3 sekiwake and it happened a few years back when the current ozeki's were not all ozeki's yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_the_mind_ 0 Posted May 26, 2005 (edited) my question is can kotomitsuki get promoted to ozeki if he has a dozen or more wins this next time eventhough his 13 was as a komosubi and the tournament before that he was M1? (meaning just one basho as a sekiwake) Edited May 26, 2005 by _the_mind_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
