Nagoya 2025 discussion (results)

[robnplunder 978]

It will be fun to track Kusano, Aonishiki, and Kotoshoho in the next basho.  

[Akinomaki 41,571]

59 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

All of this serves to remind you of the magnitude of what you are expecting from him.

He's always a bit below my extreme expectations, like only one kinboshi and one sansho, and several basho behind my projected schedule for him

On 21/03/2024 at 14:31, Akinomaki said:

Aonishiki will overtake him (Shishi) by the end of the year and next year become the 2nd Ukrainian ozeki (after Taiho)

It took Aonishiki till Natsu to overtake Shishi - but he still may make it to ozeki till the end of the year

Edited July 28 by Akinomaki

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

15 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

It will be fun to track Kusano, Aonishiki, and Kotoshoho

Kotoshoho doesn't belong here.

[Kaninoyama 1,877]

8 hours ago, just_some_guy said:

Just my opinion though and I will absolutely grant you that Kotoshoho was on my list of people I didn't ever expect to win a yusho.

Not going to sit here and say I did expect him to win one at some point, but he had battled his way to a previous ketteisen, so at least the potential was there. Don't think anyone will ever top Tokushoryu for coming out of nowhere to yusho. 

[Akinomaki 41,571]

2 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Not going to sit here and say I did expect him to win one at some point, but he had battled his way to a previous ketteisen, so at least the potential was there. Don't think anyone will ever top Tokushoryu for coming out of nowhere to yusho. 

And going back to nowhere. Kotoshoho won't 

[Kintamayama 46,753]

The flag bearer for the victory parade was Kotozakura, not Kotoshouhou's younger brother Kotoeihou. Questions were raised within the Kyokai S: Why would an Ozeki be the flag bearer when there are other makuuchi rikishi at the heya? Sadogatake Oyakata  nominated Kotozakura. There was a reason behind this. "I want Kotozakura to feel that by being the flag bearer, he should realize, 'This is not the place for me.' If Kotozakura wins and Kotoshouhou becomes the flag bearer, then Kotoshouhou would think, 'This is not the place for me.' If both of them have that mindset and work hard, I think they could both become Yokozuna." His Oyakata and dad first approached Kotozakura about being the flag bearer on the morning of senshuraku. He did not explain why. Even without him saying much, Kotozakura understood his intentions. "When he said that, I guess that's what he was thinking," he said. He was 8-7 this basho. As an Ozeki, he couldn't accept that. And Kotoshouhou won the yusho. "It's not that I'm not happy. I'm happy that someone who grew up in the same place and trained with me is fighting like this. I have to use it as motivation for myself too. It's a happy thing, but it's not good to just be happy. This is not the time to celebrate with everyone else." he said.

Edited July 29 by Kintamayama

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

The flag bearer for the victory parade was Kotozakura, not Kotoshouhou's younger brother Kotoeihou. Questions were raised within the Kyokai S: Why would an Ozeki be the flag bearer when there are other makuuchi rikishi at the heya? Sadogatake Oyakata  nominated Kotozakura. There was a reason behind this. "I want Kotozakura to feel that by being the flag bearer, he should realize, 'This is not the place for me.' If Kotozakura wins and Kotoshouhou becomes the flag bearer, then Kotoshouhou would think, 'This is not the place for me.' If both of them have that mindset and work hard, I think they could both become Yokozuna." His Oyakata and dad first approached Kotozakura about being the flag bearer on the morning of senshuraku. He did not explain why. Even without him saying much, Kotozakura understood his intentions. "When he said that, I guess that's what he was thinking," he said. He was 8-7 this basho. As an Ozeki, he couldn't accept that. And Kotoshouhou won the yusho. "It's not that I'm not happy. I'm happy that someone who grew up in the same place and trained with me is fighting like this. I have to use it as motivation for myself too. It's a happy thing, but it's not good to just be happy. This is not the time to celebrate with everyone else." he said.

Poor Kotoeiho...

[Akinomaki 41,571]

At Kotozakura's yusho, Kotoeiho had the flag 

[Chiyozakura 162]

When Kotoshoho came up I had him at a higher potential than then-Kotonowaka but his Yusho is indeed surprising at this stage. But the reason I write in this thread is something I read further up: Since when is Taiho Ukrainian? That is something I have never heard before.

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

2 minutes ago, Chiyozakura said:

Since when is Taiho Ukrainian? That is something I have never heard before.

Kōki's birth name was Ivan Boryshko.^[6] He was born on the island of Sakhalin (Karafuto Prefecture) to a Japanese mother Kiyo Naya^[7] and an ethnic Ukrainian father Markiyan Boryshko^[7] who was born in Runivshchyna in present-day Krasnohrad Raion, Kharkiv Oblast^[8] and had fled the Bolshevik Revolution.

[Akinomaki 41,571]

33 minutes ago, Chiyozakura said:

the reason I write in this thread is something I read further up: Since when is Taiho Ukrainian? That is something I have never heard before.

Hakuho had commented on the good result of the Ukraine at the world championships: Oh yes, Taiho's country 

That's generally the view now in Japan and helps the support for the Ukraine, including hopefuls from the Ukraine to join ozumo

Edited July 29 by Akinomaki

[RabidJohn 2,010]

2 hours ago, Chiyozakura said:

Since when is Taiho Ukrainian? That is something I have never heard before.

It's warping the facts. The place he was born was in the Japanese Empire at the time, so he was always Japanese. His dad was ethnic Ukrainian, though, so he was a hafu.

[Chiyozakura 162]

Ok, so far I had always read his father was Russian, but if Ukrainian ethnicity makes his son Ukrainian nowadays so be it... 

[Reonito 1,747]

14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

The flag bearer for the victory parade was Kotozakura, not Kotoshouhou's younger brother Kotoeihou. Questions were raised within the Kyokai S: Why would an Ozeki be the flag bearer when there are other makuuchi rikishi at the heya? Sadogatake Oyakata  nominated Kotozakura. There was a reason behind this. "I want Kotozakura to feel that by being the flag bearer, he should realize, 'This is not the place for me.' If Kotozakura wins and Kotoshouhou becomes the flag bearer, then Kotoshouhou would think, 'This is not the place for me.' If both of them have that mindset and work hard, I think they could both become Yokozuna." His Oyakata and dad first approached Kotozakura about being the flag bearer on the morning of senshuraku. He did not explain why. Even without him saying much, Kotozakura understood his intentions. "When he said that, I guess that's what he was thinking," he said. He was 8-7 this basho. As an Ozeki, he couldn't accept that. And Kotoshouhou won the yusho. "It's not that I'm not happy. I'm happy that someone who grew up in the same place and trained with me is fighting like this. I have to use it as motivation for myself too. It's a happy thing, but it's not good to just be happy. This is not the time to celebrate with everyone else." he said.

[Gospodin 260]

15 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Sadogatake Oyakata  nominated Kotozakura. There was a reason behind this. "I want Kotozakura to feel that by being the flag bearer, he should realize, 'This is not the place for me.'

Adding "humiliation" to disappointment...and taking some of the moment away from Kotoshoho...poor choice, through Gaj-Jin eyes.

By when can we expect Kotozakura being appointed as Kotoshoho´s tsukebito to motivate him ? Ánother yusho ?

[Yamanashi 4,040]

On 29/07/2025 at 02:44, Bunbukuchagama said:

Kōki's birth name was Ivan Boryshko.^[6] He was born on the island of Sakhalin (Karafuto Prefecture) to a Japanese mother Kiyo Naya^[7] and an ethnic Ukrainian father Markiyan Boryshko^[7] who was born in Runivshchyna in present-day Krasnohrad Raion, Kharkiv Oblast^[8] and had fled the Bolshevik Revolution.

Strangely, there are two Runivshchyna's in Ukraine; the other is in Poltava Oblast, about 50 miles away.

[Gurowake 4,136]

On 29/07/2025 at 01:15, Kintamayama said:

The flag bearer for the victory parade was Kotozakura, not Kotoshouhou's younger brother Kotoeihou. Questions were raised within the Kyokai S: Why would an Ozeki be the flag bearer when there are other makuuchi rikishi at the heya?

Hakuho was the flagbearer for Kyokutenho's yusho when there were plenty of other people from his ichimon he could have chosen (like Kaisei or anyone from Isegahama).  That was quite a stunt of a choice. 

On 29/07/2025 at 02:07, Akinomaki said:

At Kotozakura's yusho, Kotoeiho had the flag 

Presumably Kotoshoho couldn't do it because he didn't compete on the last day, and Kotoeiho was the only other sekitori in his heya, though I had thought they needed to be Makuuchi (maybe this was mentioned at the time?).  Maybe since Kotoeiho had done it before on a fluke, giving that nudge to Kotozakura was more important to Kotoshoho.

[Bunbukuchagama 924]

2 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

Strangely, there are two Runivshchyna's in Ukraine; the other is in Poltava Oblast, about 50 miles away.

I don't see anything strange in it; toponyms are rarely unique. 

[Ripe 80]

22 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Hakuho was the flagbearer for Kyokutenho's yusho when there were plenty of other people from his ichimon he could have chosen (like Kaisei or anyone from Isegahama).  That was quite a stunt of a choice. 

Didn't Hakuho volunteered for the job due out of respect for Kyokutenho for being part of the first group of Mongolians that joined sumo? Basically saying that without Kyokutenho and others joining in 1992, he might not get the chance to join and become what he is...

[WAKATAKE 2,758]

7 hours ago, Ripe said:

Didn't Hakuho volunteered for the job due out of respect for Kyokutenho for being part of the first group of Mongolians that joined sumo? Basically saying that without Kyokutenho and others joining in 1992, he might not get the chance to join and become what he is...

More like he gave Kyokutenho no choice. During the yusho interview the announcer told Kyoku that Hakuho wanted to be the flag bearer. But who wouldn't want a dai-yokozuna as their flag bearer?

[Kintamayama 46,753]

On 27/07/2025 at 07:14, Reonito said:

Not on the official site yes, but apparently the special prizes are as follows:

Outstanding Performance Award
Tamawashi (3rd)
Aonishiki *If they win the championship (1st)
Kusano *If they win the championship (1st)
Kotoshoho *If they win the championship (1st)

 

Coolest photo ever: Tamawashi takes a selfie of all the hundreds of sansho winners:

Edited August 8 by Kintamayama

[Jakusotsu 6,321]

Ronald Biggs would be proud.

[Kaitetsu 346]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Coolest photo ever: Tamawashi takes a selfie of all the hundreds of sansho winners:

Nikkan Sports was able to get the photo from Tamawashi, it a good selfie!
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[Kintamayama 46,753]

22 minutes ago, Kaitetsu said:

Nikkan Sports was able to get the photo from Tamawashi, it a good selfie!
o

Wow, it's an incredible selfie.