GTB Kyushu 2023 - RESULTS!! 194 entries

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,275]

1 minute ago, Reonito said:

There are two open komusubi slots, no need for an extra one...

I mean, the possibility of both Asanoyama and Abi going up.

[Reonito 1,482]

3 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I mean, the possibility of both Asanoyama and Abi going up.

Apologies, I think I misread your comment.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Apparently I submitted this on October 2nd. I don't know if I'll be very active the rest of this year. With this being the 14th basho since I started submitting GTB entries I am looking forward to finally getting my first official "ranking", having sat out the 6th, 7th, and 8th.

 

Not feeling very good about Asanoyama in the K2w spot where I put him -- I believe the thinking was that it was just too unreasonable to try to squeeze all those rikishi into the M1-M4 slots. Then again it was my choice to have an unpopular 3 sekiwake lineup with Asanoyama in S2w 13 GTBs ago that got things off to a good start, so fingers crossed.

[Wakawakawaka 157]

O boy, looking at some of the more experienced players entries, I probably pooped the bed on this one...

The banzuke committee has seemed more 'extra by the mathy' to me the past few basho so I went with overdemoting the falling komusubi, an Aki 2011 versus Kyushu 2022 approach.

[Wamahada 57]

Hm - no third Komusubi slot. Only 31 points, cannot be better than rank 150, I expect even worse.

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

63 here. That's one of my best ever raw results, but I think this is going to be a high-scoring GTB.

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

3 minutes ago, Wamahada said:

Hm - no third Komusubi slot. Only 31 points, cannot be better than rank 150, I expect even worse.

Never mind mate, you won the "Post Your Score" race. I didn't think anyone could beat me to that.

[Bunbukuchagama 742]

Well... I botched M2-M7, Tamawashi, and Tsurugisho. Was perfect in M15-M17 and M7w-M12e ranges, but it didn't help much.

A lot of it was expected, but not M6-M7. 

[Reonito 1,482]

4 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

63 here. That's one of my best ever raw results, but I think this is going to be a high-scoring GTB.

Yeah, 66 I think, and I don't see that holding up. I managed to precisely place the 4 correct occupants of M2W-M3W in one of the few arrangements that would result in exactly zero points, and didn't do a whole lot better at M6-M7. Other than that, I just had Tamawashi and Takarafuji the wrong way round.

[Wamahada 57]

20 minutes ago, Wamahada said:

Hm - no third Komusubi slot. Only 31 points, cannot be better than rank 150, I expect even worse.

Missed 19(!) only by half a rank, this cost 30 points. Ok - I accept my score anyway.

[Bunbukuchagama 742]

2 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Yeah, 66 I think, and I don't see that holding up. I managed to precisely place the 4 correct occupants of M2W-M3W in one of the few arrangements that would result in exactly zero points, and didn't do a whole lot better at M6-M7. Other than that, I just had Tamawashi and Takarafuji the wrong way round.

I don't think too many players got M6-M7 right. 

I got 58 points or something like that. My misses were unlucky this time around (they created domino effect across rank lines). 

[Bunbukuchagama 742]

2 minutes ago, Wamahada said:

Missed 19(!) only by half a rank

This happens when you have the wrong sanyaku size, everyone slides down by half a rank.

[Sumo Spiffy 572]

Looks like I would have had 59, if I hadn't gotten sidetracked from entering... 

But for the first time in... a while, if ever, I didn't whiff on anyone by more than a single rank. The only one that looks silly in retrospect was flip-flopping Tamawashi and Takarafuji. Everything else made sense.

[Reonito 1,482]

13 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Looks like I would have had 59, if I hadn't gotten sidetracked from entering... 

But for the first time in... a while, if ever, I didn't whiff on anyone by more than a single rank. The only one that looks silly in retrospect was flip-flopping Tamawashi and Takarafuji. Everything else made sense.

I had a total of 8 misses, 4 by half a rank and 4 by one rank (plus two off by half-rank that got me two points).

[Reonito 1,482]

18 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

This happens when you have the wrong sanyaku size, everyone slides down by half a rank.

Yeah, I'm wondering if enough folks bumped Asanoyama to komusubi to really raise the scores of everyone who didn't.

[Asashosakari 19,526]

67 points despite some very obvious missed stuff, so surely the winning score will be 70+. 74-ish wouldn't surprise me, maybe even higher.

2/10 on M3e-M5e (only Tobizaru correct, rest busted)
1/6 on M8w-M9w
2/4 on M11e/w
0/2 on M17e

Especially aggravating are the 5 points lost on not expecting them to do the straight solution with Atamifuji/Myogiryu/Mitakeumi. Aoiyama at M17e was a gamble that didn't work out; it happens. The Sakaigawa duo at M11 is just a coin toss gone wrong, so that one's okay despite the missed points. But the less said about the joi, the better.

 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

The one placing that really spoiled my score was Hokuseiho. Having him at M6e probably cost me 5 points.

 

[Gurowake 4,088]

I'm calculating a very disappointing 56 for me, flubbing the entirety of the last 4 places (-8) on Xw/X+1e switches when many people had them correct (or at least the correct idea).  Another issue worth -5 is that they've gone back to the "don't promote Juryo people above the worst Makuuchi KK" that I thought they had given up on, but I guess this time it was close enough to give it to Tsurugisho rather than the guys who had 2 more wins than necessary.  Another -5 for the M6-M7e screwup, and then -4 each for Gonoyama/Takayasu and Onosho/NIshikigi and -2 for Mitakeumi/Myogiryu (I'm not sure why I didn't go with the straightforward order they used there, but there's a lot about my entries that I can't explain sometimes a month later).  At least I had the right number of sanyaku. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 4,088]

1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

I didn't whiff on anyone by more than a single rank.

I guess I can say the same about mine too?  Not that it helps the score at all.  So when is the scoring system going to change to feature more points for being relatively close?  Right, never.

[Reonito 1,482]

9 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

I guess I can say the same about mine too?  Not that it helps the score at all.  So when is the scoring system going to change to feature more points for being relatively close?  Right, never.

To be fair, I am guessing such a change wouldn't do much if anything to player rank order, although I've always been a fan of treating all half-rank misses equivalently, regardless of whether it's 5e-5w (2 points) or 5w-6e (0 points)

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

15 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

So when is the scoring system going to change to feature more points for being relatively close?  Right, never.

If the rules changed the game would lose its exquisite cruelty and unfairness.

If you hit the crossbar 20 times in a soccer match it counts for exactly zero goals.

[Gurowake 4,088]

18 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

If you hit the crossbar 20 times in a soccer match it counts for exactly zero goals.

So what you're saying is that we should only count bulls-eyes, and not give less points for some near misses like in Australian football?  I think that would actually be more fair, for the same reason the Reonito said.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Gurowake

[Yarimotsu 588]

I suppose I dropped 22 points, which is a lot given only 3 full-rank errors and none bigger (should also be my first time doing that). Expecting top half.

[Kintamayama 45,385]

And here are the results. We have a first time winner in Korinokoishi with 70 points. 194 participants, 23 new players. No third Komusubi.

Milestones:

Frinkanohana- 120th basho!!

Kitakachiyama- 90th basho

Veshana- 80th basho

Aminoumi- 60th basho

Unkonoyama- 40th basho

Sakura- 40th basho

Akawainnoumi- 20th basho

Thanks for playing and many thanks to Doitsuyama and Andoreasu for running the game. To see how you did, go here.

And now, on with the ba-show!!

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

8 hours ago, Reonito said:

Yeah, I'm wondering if enough folks bumped Asanoyama to komusubi to really raise the scores of everyone who didn't.

You're welcome everybody!

 

For a bonus, by lowering the mean score, we increased the value-per-point that the rest of you get to carry into the next 5 basho.