Basho Talk - Nagoya Basho 2016 +++ Spoiler Alert! +++

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

In the case of the tsuridashi shinitai discussion, I remember seeing a match where Musashimaru pulled the move on Wakanohana too. I was wondering about that until my dad had explained it to me.

[sekitori 492]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

[Morningstar 118]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

Yet Harumafuji & Kakuryu have both been able to win a Yusho. In fact Harumafuji did it twice in a row to get his promotion. If Kisenosato is truly worthy of promotion, then he can win one himself.

[Nojo_Jojo 7]

I'm calling it. Ichinojo is going to have a monster next basho. He seems to have his weight down.

Possibly not next Basho. He's likely going to end up M1-2 if he continues his run and gets 10 or so wins and don't think he is capable of having monster runs at that higher rank just yet.

But his weight control is making his look less lethargic both in body and mind right now. Must be helping his back as well, and that bodes well for his future.

Hamcornheinz might just be right, I hope so. I imagine though that Ichi's performance and rank will go up and down a while longer. Ichiyoyo.

The commentators (English) on day 5, I think, said he still has back pain, but a new exercise regime had helped. They also said that Ichinojo had himself said that 'a glass of water' will make him put on weight and that he avoids eating sugar and fat. Perhaps he ought to avoid harder.

He certainly looks happier.

I know he lost today, but I was impressed. I've never seen him look so agile. He stayed on his feet - it was Chiyonokuni who fell (I like him too). Ichi ran out of dohyo.

I actually do hope he's right. Nothing would make me happier.

For now, I'd be happy with 10 or so wins this Basho and maybe a kachi-koshi at whatever higher rank he ends up at when the next Basho rolls around.

It is time for him to get back to the Sanyaku.

[Dapeng 236]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

Kakuryu had some good luck in his promotion, but Harumafuji's three zensho yusho (in the presence of Hakuho) proved himself worthy of the promotion to Yokozuna.

Maybe Kisenosato is comparable to Kakuryu but definitely way worse than Harumafuji.

[rzombie1988 159]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

You can't promote someone to Yokozuna if he doesn't win a title. If he can't win a title now, how's he going to be able to do it at the next rank up? It's Grand Champion, not Grand Runner-Up. And Harumafuji has won 7 titles now, so he's no joke. Meanwhile Kakuryu..well, I'm not impressed. 1 title and 1 henka title win on an injured Terunofuji with no Hakuho or Harumafuji. There was also a good chance had Terunofuji won that he might have made Yokozuna. Would have fit the bill in my book especially with the new open-ended yok requirements.

Edited July 18, 2016 by rzombie1988

[hamcornheinz 839]

Kakuryu's was 2 playoffs, lost one won the other. A bit different than a jun-yusho.

[rzombie1988 159]

Kakuryu's was 2 playoffs, lost one won the other. A bit different than a jun-yusho.

Sorry, but it's not the same and never will be in my book.

[sekitori 492]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

Yet Harumafuji & Kakuryu have both been able to win a Yusho. In fact Harumafuji did it twice in a row to get his promotion. If Kisenosato is truly worthy of promotion, then he can win one himself.

If he continues to have 13-2 jun-yushos, people may begin to realize that he's coming up with numbers worthy of a yokozuna. Even though winning a yusho seems to be some sort of requisite for yokozuna promotion, It seems to me that such outstanding consistency could possibly even outweigh the so-called essential requirement of his winning that yusho.

[Gurowake 4,149]

Kakuryu's was 2 playoffs, lost one won the other. A bit different than a jun-yusho.

I'm not sure how Kakuryu's playoffs have anything to do with each other. Discounting the one in the basho after which he got promoted to Ozeki (which you're obviously not thinking of), the playoff Kakuryu won was while he was Yokozuna, while the one he lost was the first on his tsuna run. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other; the second tournament in his tsuna run he won straight-up (assuming you don't think Hakuho gifted it to him).

Edited July 18, 2016 by Gurowake

[rzombie1988 159]

If Kisenosato comes up with another jun-yusho at 13-2, his record for the past three bashos will be 39-6. Even though he didn't win a yusho during that period, in my opinion, his record should be good enough for yokozuna promotion. Futahaguro's three basho record prior to yokozuna promotion was 36-9 with no yushos. I realize that no one wants to repeat the Futahaguro fiasco, but Kisenosato's three basho record will be better than his--and also more consistent. If he has another 13-2 runner-up record, I believe he's proved that he can perform at a yokozuna level and he should be rewarded for doing so. Kisenosato's great misfortune is that he has to encounter probably the greatest yokozuna of all time in every basho. :-| Without Hakuho's presence, his path to yokozuna promotion would have been much easier.

Yet Harumafuji & Kakuryu have both been able to win a Yusho. In fact Harumafuji did it twice in a row to get his promotion. If Kisenosato is truly worthy of promotion, then he can win one himself.

If he continues to have 13-2 jun-yushos, people may begin to realize that he's coming up with numbers worthy of a yokozuna. Even though winning a yusho seems to be some sort of requisite for yokozuna promotion, It seems to me that such outstanding consistency could possibly even outweigh the so-called essential requirement of his winning that yusho.

He has numbers worthy of a Yokozuna, when he's on point. But if he can't win titles now, how he can do it when he's Yokozuna?

[egparis18 622]

Well, by Kisenosato smile in the first days I should say "new girlfriend" is the secret ingredient.

New girlfriend always increase wins. New wife always inscrease losses.

That's life. B-)

Have you done the statistics? ;-)

[taresu 38]

Exciting bout between Ishiura and Ura. I was recording with my cellphone from my tv and got so excited that screwed with the video with all the screams and hand movements. (Laughing...) (Laughing...) (Laughing...)

[hamcornheinz 839]

Kakuryu's was 2 playoffs, lost one won the other. A bit different than a jun-yusho.

I'm not sure how Kakuryu's playoffs have anything to do with each other. Discounting the one in the basho after which he got promoted to Ozeki (which you're obviously not thinking of), the playoff Kakuryu won was while he was Yokozuna, while the one he lost was the first on his tsuna run. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other; the second tournament in his tsuna run he won straight-up (assuming you don't think Hakuho gifted it to him).

slip of the memory, thought both basho in his tsuna run were playoffs. My point was, a playoff loss is much closer to yusho than a jun yusho.

[Atenzan 1,084]

Harumafuji sporting an Ura-pink mawashi for the yokozuna dohyo-iri.

And Hakuhou with a much sloppier dohyo-iri than Harumafuji. Having a bit of difficulty with the shiko or is it just my idea?

Edited July 18, 2016 by McBugger

[Atenzan 1,084]

Ex-Kitanofuji is commentating today, and because he got promoted to Ozeki following the Nagoya 1966 (Showa 41) basho, NHK showed a highlight reel of that basho, featuring Taihou (wow), Kashiwado, Kitanofuji et al. But by far the most impressive bout on display was Sekiwake Tamanoshia (later Yokozuna Tamanoumi) vs Daigou. Good yotsu-zumo, then an uchigake attempt, then a magnificent yoritaoshi. How I wish they would make that kind of footage available on demand...

[taresu 38]

Harumafuji sporting an Ura-pink mawashi for the yokozuna dohyo-iri.

And Hakuhou with a much sloppier dohyo-iri than Harumafuji. Having a bit of difficulty with the shiko or is it just my idea?

Noticed that too, his mawashi was all way to the left and he couldn't put it straight. first time i saw that, but i guess is normal to happen sometimes. And yes, he seemed to have problems with the shiko as well.

Edited July 18, 2016 by taresu

[taresu 38]

Kitaharima almost had it today. He was doing fine at the beginning but seems to have lost his mojo in the past few days.

Edited July 18, 2016 by taresu

[Masumasumasu 902]

And Hakuhou with a much sloppier dohyo-iri than Harumafuji. Having a bit of difficulty with the shiko or is it just my idea?

I've been saying that for years.

Hakuho simply doesn't care enough to practice the dohyo-iri.

He seems content doing just enough to get by.

Its disappointing to say the least.

[taresu 38]

Is Soukokurai injured? He is in what, his seventh straight loss? He is a good wrestler and is very strong, and usually seems to be focused so i can't point the problem. He is not limping or complaining so i'm not sure if he is injured or not.

[ronnie 221]

Is Soukokurai injured? He is in what, his seventh straight loss? He is a good wrestler and is very strong, and usually seems to be focused so i can't point the problem. He is not limping or complaining so i'm not sure if he is injured or not.

I was wondering if he had been ill recently.

[ronnie 221]

Looks like Shodai went in there with a plan.

[taresu 38]

Looks like Shodai went in there with a plan.

And Aoiyama not, as always.

Edited July 18, 2016 by taresu

[taresu 38]

I was cheering for Ichinojo but gotta say, Takarafuji is doing pretty well this basho, i like him and is nice to see he being able to do his sumo.

[hamcornheinz 839]

And Hakuhou with a much sloppier dohyo-iri than Harumafuji. Having a bit of difficulty with the shiko or is it just my idea?

I've been saying that for years.

Hakuho simply doesn't care enough to practice the dohyo-iri.

He seems content doing just enough to get by.

Its disappointing to say the least.

Whats wrong with Hakuho's dohyo iri? His shiko is higher than both Kakuryu's and Harumafuji's. and his coming up from the crouch takes longer than most yokozuna. Don't know where the accusations of laziness are coming from.