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Okinoumi apparently has spent enough time in the low ranks in revenge for not following directions regarding Kakuryu's promotion run to Yokozuna, and now is allowed to challenge for sanyaku again. Or something like that; it's really weird to me that he beats the guy who gets promoted to Yokozuna in both tournaments while falling down the banzuke himself. He even stayed there and took in the sights down in the double digits before deciding he wanted to challenge for sanyaku again. It's really eerie.

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I used my sumo app's one free bout view a day ability just to see what the excitement was about. Way to go Yasu! No need to stop at Ama. Three times was enough. You had bigger fish to fry. :)

which sumo app is this? Is it searchable in English or in Japanese type only? Thanks.
http://sumo.dwango.jp/

Check here. Only available in Japan and only in Japanese. If you fit these criteria you are set. You can pay 500 yen a month for the bells and whistles. I have friends who say it is worth it.

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Lower division notables:

18-year-old Onosho is looking to become the youngest sekitori by over two-and-a-half years with a 2-1 start at Ms3.

Ms4 Abiko fell to 1-2, losing to ex-Juryo Keitenkai.

Fellow college hopefuls Takagi and Shiba are 3-0 further down in the division, while Shodai fell to 2-1. Also at 2-1 near the bottom of the division are recent high school recruits Kotaro and Mizuta, the latter having a good chance at facing Shodai this tournament if they maintain the same record, being one full rank apart (it's not happening round 4 as Shodai faces someone higher ranked Day 7). Kotaro also has a somewhat decent chance of potentially facing Shiba, who is two full ranks lower.

2nd tier earlier year hopefuls Nagao and Shuji are 1-2 in mid-Sandanme; they're probably going to be staying and enjoying some time down there developing a bit.

To the surprise of only people who don't follow this kind of thing, Ryuden and Sato are 3-0.

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I hope I don't jinx him, but Wakanosato is a nice surprise. I have been a fan since he started working his way into sekitori status, just around the time I started becoming a serious fan. He looked to be on his way quickly down, much like the likes of Miyabiyama etc. However, he has come back with a vengeance this tournament. I hope he can sustain it.

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Might have been some rikishi joking around but as you well know there is that small group of really hate filled people who use each and every opportunity to attack Boody and hearing anything like that would have been food for their bile. I only told you a bit of it last time we met but it runs way worse. Spreading rumours and lies, death threats, constant messages sent to his twitter telling him to die, to f$#k off back to Egypt etc. It's been there since the start but has died down recently. Some people just didn't want to see a muslim in sumo. It's one of the reasons he admires and gets on so well with Konishiki. Sale went through a lot of the same crap. Some reported, most not.

Who tells Booty to go back to Egypt? Who threatens him and tells him to die? Who are you talking about? Japanese people? I seriously doubt it.

Let's see the proof of your accusations.

Maybe Muslims are telling him to go back to Egypt. (No, that's not possible. Muslims are all peaceful and enlightened.)

I know this; Booty's Facebook page is filled with nothing but praise. Is he erasing all the hate?

Perhaps Booty shouldn't be on social media. Maybe he should do more keiko. (His lower body is in no shape for sumo, after all.)

Booty should care what the Japanese think of him. He lives in his country and they pay him...handsomely. It's one thing if gaijin are saying these things. It is quite another thing if Nihon-jin are.

Gaijin opinions should fall like water off a duck's back.

And furthermore; if Konishiki resents Japan and Japanese people so much, why the hell does he continue to live there and speak their language? Hawaii is a beautiful place (so I hear). Maybe he'd be happier there.

Just my two yen.

Either you haven't lived in Japan or you've been incredibly lucky. Its only a matter of time to experience someone with pamphlets or a bull horn unfortunately.

Someone like me ? ;-)

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Is is just me, or should Osunaarashi have been given the win in his bout against Toyonoshima? Rewatching the replay, you can see Osunaarashi still in mid-air while Toyonoshima's hand touched the ground.

They have a special rule for when the body is in the air. I copied/cropped the wiki quote that explains it below. I don't think the rule below should have applied as Osu had a foot an the straw bale and was forcing him down. Still I guess that may be the reason why they did not give him the win as I watched it several times and his opponent seemed to touch down first. Regardless Osu has looked pretty shabby this Basho.

Shini-tai (死に体?) is an exception to the rule. Literally meaning 'dead body' or 'dying body,' the term is used to describe a wrestler who was not first to fall or touch outside the ring, but who had no chance of winning owing to the superior technique of his opponent. Whilst a relatively rare event, it is most often seen after close bouts in which one wrestler clearly had the advantage towards the end.

Not quite. When the man underneath is a shinitai, the man going down on top of him can put down his hand to protect his losing opponent from injury, and even though the hand touches ground before the shinitai lands, it is called kabaite, protecting hand, and he wins. I particularly remember this because it came up on my watch on NHK -- Takanohana underneath and Kushimaumi on top, if memory serves me. I had read about kabaite long before and was able to explain it. And when we looked it up later, the previous time was a case of Takanohana's father.

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Me enthusiastically: "Hakuho just lost to Takayasu cause he slipped

The thing is, Takayasu delivered a very well placed slap at the end. It wasn't just Hakuho slipping, Takayasu really won that one.

I agree. I didn't mean to take anything away from Takayasu.

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Aminishiki broke the unofficial ginboshi record (a hiramaku beating an Ozeki, which is the kinboshi's bastard younger brother) -45 yesterday, after beating Goueidou.

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aminishiki still rocks.... yeah for wakanosato and onosho!

I often learn more from this site by accident rather than by design....

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aminishiki still rocks.... yeah for wakanosato and onosho!

I often learn more from this site by accident rather than by design....

Accidental learning is the best. Especially when the accidents are someone else's...

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As indicated by the top 10 list posted yesterday, Hakuho has now tied Taiho at 872 career wins.

Care to predict when he will overtake Kyokutenho?

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Wakanosato seems to be in good shape this basho. He moves well and don't raise his upper body too quickly after atari. It's indeed a very good surprise and I sincerly hope he could maintain his level of performance until senshuraku.

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As indicated by the top 10 list posted yesterday, Hakuho has now tied Taiho at 872 career wins.

Care to predict when he will overtake Kyokutenho?
Before they reach Kitanoumi. ;-) Seriously though - he's gaining about 5 to 6 wins on him per basho, so barring injury by either guy it should happen sometime between Nagoya and Kyushu next year.
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I used my sumo app's one free bout view a day ability just to see what the excitement was about. Way to go Yasu! No need to stop at Ama. Three times was enough. You had bigger fish to fry. :)

which sumo app is this? Is it searchable in English or in Japanese type only? Thanks.
http://sumo.dwango.jp/

Check here. Only available in Japan and only in Japanese. If you fit these criteria you are set. You can pay 500 yen a month for the bells and whistles. I have friends who say it is worth it.

Well the reading Japanese part I could muddle through but only available in Japan is the tough part since I'm stuck in Kentucky. Maybe I can download it when I go to Japan next year. Thanks for the link.

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Another (extremely) late shove from the foul-mannered Yokozuna.

It's a shame that all he cares about is winning.

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Time for my bimonthly Kisenosato jinx:

His numbers are really looking good...

Kisenosato was always going have a decent score in this basho as I didn't pick him for my Bench team.

My victim for Kyusho is Goeido!

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It would seem to me that both Goeido and Kotoshogiku are in danger of going make-koshi and being placed on kadoban.

Each still has the five other Yokozuna/Ozeki to face (including each other), and current form........

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Time for my bimonthly Kisenosato jinx:

His numbers are really looking good...

It isn't a jinx - it will be a brain fade that gets him. I reckon that if a heya could get past the "gambarize to win" approach as their main motivational technique and think outside the box and get a sports psych in they would get amazing results. My prediction os that Kise will never get to the next level without such form of professional assistance:)

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I love Hakuho and am excited to see him break the record next year. But he is making if very hard to defend himself against accusations that he is an excrement exit.

Let's also hope that today's match signals the end of ichinojo's 1-2 matts-henna staple.

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I love Hakuho and am excited to see him break the record next year. But he is making if very hard to defend himself against accusations that he is an excrement exit.

Let's also hope that today's match signals the end of ichinojo's 1-2 matts-henna staple.

I just think Hakuho gets caught up in the contest. He clearly regretted it today straight after doing it and helped Terunofuji up. Anyone who has played any sport knows it is hard to switch the passion on and off and I suspect it is particularly hard when the contest goes for all of about 3 seconds but during that time you are essentially fighting your opponent. One of the reasons I think Hak is the best is because he takes what he does so seriously. He really cares about winning and losing - when Tochiozan nearly beat him the other day his face said everything you need to know about how much he cares. I doubt he wishes any of his opponents ill, he is just totally focussed on that moment, the few seconds of the contest which defines whether he is a champion or not, and it is often only a split second between the end of that moment and the extra shove that people don't like. Channelling the focus to win and then switching it off immediately straight after winning probably isn't as easy as those of us sitting on the sidelines seem to think it might be.

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Channelling the focus to win and then switching it off immediately straight after winning probably isn't as easy as those of us sitting on the sidelines seem to think it might be.

I definitely agree with you. I must be very hard to do. And probably his aggressiveness does make him a more effective wrestler. But in my mind it makes him a poorer Yokozuna. I'd hate to see him go down in history as a talented jerk (A-Rod?) rather than the greatesf Yokozuna to have fought in the modern era. And days like today make his actions more difficult to defend. We don't see this from his fellow yokozunas.

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Channelling the focus to win and then switching it off immediately straight after winning probably isn't as easy as those of us sitting on the sidelines seem to think it might be.

I definitely agree with you. I must be very hard to do. And probably his aggressiveness does make him a more effective wrestler. But in my mind it makes him a poorer Yokozuna. I'd hate to see him go down in history as a talented jerk (A-Rod?) rather than the greatesf Yokozuna to have fought in the modern era. And days like today make his actions more difficult to defend. We don't see this from his fellow yokozunas.

Except Asa, who made Hak look like a saint...

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