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[Asashosakari 18,786]

Or do I misunderstand any of shumitto's news reports?

I took "Kasuganishiki is history" as meaning he's gone from the Kyokai, hence my astonishment at your reaction. :-) Then again, I haven't seen any news reports that said that myself, which only serves to increase my confusion... Hopefully shumitto can clarify.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Or do I misunderstand any of shumitto's news reports?

I took "Kasuganishiki is history" as meaning he's gone from the Kyokai, hence my astonishment at your reaction. :-) Then again, I haven't seen any news reports that said that myself, which only serves to increase my confusion... Hopefully shumitto can clarify.

Everywhere I read it said "all will be revealed on the 23rd at the press conference".

[Raishu 207]

I took "Kasuganishiki is history" as meaning he's gone from the Kyokai, hence my astonishment at your reaction. :-)

Alright. If true, I totally got that wrong. I automatically thought he is going to work as an Oyakata from now on.

I added some words after I posted the last senteces. Don't know if you' ve read them. I'll quote myself:

EDIT: I forgot. I assume that 03's purchase and Kasuga's retirement are not just a coincidence.

Just to give a small insight into my thinking process.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Raishu

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Everywhere I read it said "all will be revealed on the 23rd at the press conference".

Yup, which is why I included the "retirement effective on senshuraku" part in the other thread. It's pretty unusual to have the press conference not on the next day but two days later, too, I think.

Tamanaogijima and I once speculated that there might be some arcane "can't do two related transactions on the same day" rule after they needlessly delayed one of a pair a little while ago. (Can't find the thread now; maybe it was in email.) If that's the case, maybe that's what we're seeing here again.

I wonder where this would leave Futeno - is he going to stay active until the Iwatomo retirement now? He's still only 30, but I can't imagine him in makushita for two years just to protect ex-Kinkaiyama...and he sure doesn't look like regaining juryo form again, unfortunate as it is.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Back to the other interesting topic of the previous page - as part of its suggested reforms, the Governance committee is favouring a revamped riji-kai so that oyakata constitute only about half its members, instead of 10 out of 12 as is currently the case. A example setup being mentioned would consist of 5 to 6 oyakata, 2 members with a law background, 2 members from the academic or sports world, and 1 "Kyokai staff member" - I assume they mean a sort of employees' representative for gyoji, yobidashi etc. The rijicho position would continue to be filled by an oyakata. In addition, it's being suggested that stable-owning oyakata should not be allowed to be riji concurrently. (That's an idea I'm definitely on board with.)

There's been more out of the Committee today, but part of it was just rehash of the toshiyori issues (no resolution yet, IINM, but the buying and selling of shares is considered a definite "problem" in becoming a public service corporation), and the rest was stuff I frankly didn't understand. Maybe others will fill in. (There was something about shindeshi out of middle school at Sankai that I'm particularly puzzled by.)

Edit: It's also being suggested that the number of stables should decrease towards approximately 30, but of course that's something the Kyokai itself has been talking about for the last 5 years...

The board of directors will convene on Feb 17 to discuss whatever ends up being submitted as the committee's official proposals.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Asashosakari

[shumitto 418]

Sorry for creating this misunderstanding, but when I said "Kasuganishiki is history" I meant his sumo career was totally over and excluded any possible continuance as an oyakata. But maybe I am just assuming too much by the lack of comments saying otherwise which were expected to have popped up by now.

Edited January 22, 2011 by shumitto

[Asashosakari 18,786]

And now for something with a twist ending: Takenawa (ex-Tochisakae) -> Kiyomigata, Kasuganishiki -> Takenawa. Guess Tochisakae having seniority gets the loan kabu owned by the younger heyamate.

[Orion 431]

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I wonder where this would leave Futeno - is he going to stay active until the Iwatomo retirement now? He's still only 30, but I can't imagine him in makushita for two years just to protect ex-Kinkaiyama...and he sure doesn't look like regaining juryo form again, unfortunate as it is.

FWIW, this evening at the end of the uchiage party, he said he would continue to 'gambaru'. As to the reasons, your guess is as good as mine. I simply didn't ask. In this case I'm not a reporter, I'm an old friend. His wife was there too. One of the nicest things about the Dewanoumi parties is the strong tradition of the wives and children coming too.

Some now grown-up, I've known since they were a sparkle in the eye at the engagement announcement.

Orion

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Is Kiriyama-beya officially closed as of the end of the Hatsu basho, or are they still in winding-up mode for a while?

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Is Kiriyama-beya officially closed as of the end of the Hatsu basho, or are they still in winding-up mode for a while?

Yes, per an article I saw somewhere yesterday they've officially shuttered the doors with senshuraku.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Is Kiriyama-beya officially closed as of the end of the Hatsu basho, or are they still in winding-up mode for a while?

Yes, per an article I saw somewhere yesterday they've officially shuttered the doors with senshuraku.

Or maybe it's a question how to define what it means to be closing a stable - today's articles still state that it was wound up after senshuraku, but the directorate didn't get around to approving the various transfers until today, so I guess it's official only now: one gyoji and one tokoyama to Oitekaze-beya, one yobidashi to Tomozuna-beya, the other 11 (both oyakata, four rikishi, a wakaimonogashira, a sewanin, two more yobidashi, and another tokoyama) to Asahiyama-beya.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Or maybe it's a question how to define what it means to be closing a stable - today's articles still state that it was wound up after senshuraku, but the directorate didn't get around to approving the various transfers until today, so I guess it's official only now: one gyoji and one tokoyama to Oitekaze-beya, one yobidashi to Tomozuna-beya, the other 11 (both oyakata, four rikishi, a wakaimonogashira, a sewanin, two more yobidashi, and another tokoyama) to Asahiyama-beya.

Thanks! I did also wonder if Urakaze-oyakata would be going to the same place as the shisho, so thanks for wrapping it up.

[Naganoyama 5,851]

Is Kiriyama-beya officially closed as of the end of the Hatsu basho, or are they still in winding-up mode for a while?

Yes, per an article I saw somewhere yesterday they've officially shuttered the doors with senshuraku.

Or maybe it's a question how to define what it means to be closing a stable - today's articles still state that it was wound up after senshuraku, but the directorate didn't get around to approving the various transfers until today, so I guess it's official only now: one gyoji and one tokoyama to Oitekaze-beya, one yobidashi to Tomozuna-beya, the other 11 (both oyakata, four rikishi, a wakaimonogashira, a sewanin, two more yobidashi, and another tokoyama) to Asahiyama-beya.

Do you know which yobidashi and which tokoyama are going where? The Kyokai site doesn't appear to have been updated yet.

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Do you know which yobidashi and which tokoyama are going where? The Kyokai site doesn't appear to have been updated yet.

Didn't know it earlier, but a later article says that the ones not moving to Asahiyama-beya are Tokosaku and Kokichi.

[Naganoyama 5,851]

Do you know which yobidashi and which tokoyama are going where? The Kyokai site doesn't appear to have been updated yet.

Didn't know it earlier, but a later article says that the ones not moving to Asahiyama-beya are Tokosaku and Kokichi.

Thanks. The Kyokai have now caught up - including the Takadagawa change which hadn't been done as of yesterday.

[Kotoviki 16]

Is Kiriyama-beya officially closed as of the end of the Hatsu basho, or are they still in winding-up mode for a while?

Yes, per an article I saw somewhere yesterday they've officially shuttered the doors with senshuraku.

When we had dinner with Kongofuji he told me that the heya would be destroyed before the end of the year! All moved out by Thursday (last week) also the day he left for his hometown to finish preparing for his danpatsushiki. The oyakata had a house build next door to the heya, I forgot to ask about that. If he plans to move or keep the house or expand a bigger house where the heya was next door!?

[Asashosakari 18,786]

Three newsbits today:

1) Takasago-oyakata's two-class demotion from last February is partially over after a year as he's been promoted one rank to iin. He continues to be assigned to the Guidance department (effectively meaning he still doesn't have any Kyokai responsibilities at all).

2) Musashigawa-oyakata replaces Isenoumi-oyakata as acting curator of the Sumo Museum.

3) Takadagawa-oyakata (ex-Akinoshima) has been added to the jungyo department. I'm not sure if this will be his exclusive role now; the Sankei article mentions that he's moving from his role on the Crisis Management committee, but he was thus far also assigned to PR and General Planning.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 18,786]

More stuff right from the source, apparently all effective tomorrow:

Three newsbits today:

1) Takasago-oyakata's two-class demotion from last February is partially over after a year as he's been promoted one rank to iin. He continues to be assigned to the Guidance department (effectively meaning he still doesn't have any Kyokai responsibilities at all).

2) Musashigawa-oyakata replaces Isenoumi-oyakata as acting curator of the Sumo Museum.

3) Takadagawa-oyakata (ex-Akinoshima) has been added to the jungyo department. I'm not sure if this will be his exclusive role now; the Sankei article mentions that he's moving from his role on the Crisis Management committee, but he was thus far also assigned to PR and General Planning.

It's now confirmed that he's in the jungyo department exclusively. His other responsibilities haven't been reassigned thus far. Moving on:

4-6) Joining Takadagawa as a new face in the jungyo section is Oshiogawa (ex-Toki). They are taking over roles previously filled by Edagawa (ex-Aogiyama, moving to the Osaka basho team) and Kitajin (ex-Kirinji, no new assignment except the catch-all Guidance department).

7-8) Promotions from toshiyori to shunin were earned by Otake (ex-Dairyu) and Yamawake (ex-Buyuzan). For Otake it's the first promotion after 13 years as oyakata, as he was previously ineligible due to only borrowing his kabu.

I suppose that answers the question if time spent on loaned shares counts for future advancement - Otake and Yamawake have jumped past Wakafuji (ex-Otsukasa) and Azumazeki (ex-Ushiomaru) who acquired their permanent kabu earlier than these two did.

And Kitajin's transfer seems interesting; it's somewhat unusual for an iin-ranked oyakata to hold no responsibilities except "guidance". AFAICT there are three types of oyakata in that classification: Some current shisho (currently Magaki, Takasago, Asahiyama, Arashio, Miyagino, Takashima, Irumagawa), former shisho (Tateyama, the former Kataonami; Tatsutagawa, the former Minato; Kiriyama), and some oyakata close to retirement age (Iwatomo, Ikazuchi). There's obviously some overlap between group 2 and group 3 as the ex-shisho also tend to be relatively old, and there's likely some overlap across all three groups based on medical issues (definitely Magaki and Tateyama from what's been published, but probably others as well) due to which some of these guys might be held away from departments with day-to-day responsibilities.

The only one not matching those descriptions seems to be 40-year-old Yamahibiki (ex-Ganyu), but for all I know he might be the one who's really running Kitanoumi-beya... In any case, Kitajin is only 57, so his move makes me wonder if he's either got some physical problem, or that perhaps something is afoot succession-wise in Nishonoseki-beya.

[Kotoviki 16]

The only one not matching those descriptions seems to be 40-year-old Yamahibiki (ex-Ganyu), but for all I know he might be the one who's really running Kitanoumi-beya...

Well he is at the dohyo every day and for as often as I have been going to Kitanoumi over the past couple years I've only seen Kitanoumi at the dohyo once! Even when Kitanoumi was there one time he offered no advice or criticism to any of the boys. Kitazakura is on the dohyo in mawashi with the boys, Yamahibiki at the side and now that Kise joined Kitanoumi Kise is at the dohyo every morning bright and early as well....

So yeah, Yamahibiki is kinda running Kitanoumi!!!!

[Kintamayama 44,354]

First forced retirement fallouts-the Nishikijima name owned by Shimotori became vacant and was snapped up by Toyonoshima. The Takenawa name vacated by ex-Kasuganishiki was picked up by Sendagawa Oyakata, ex-Youtsukasa.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 18,786]

First forced retirement fallouts-the Nishikijima name owned by Shimotori became vacant and was snapped up by Toyonoshima. The Takenawa name vacated by ex-Kasuganishiki was picked up by Sendagawa Oyakata, ex-Youtsukasa.

Toyonoshima's acquisition is effective per April 5th, ex-Yotsukasa's switch per the 6th.

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Inagawa Oyakata (ex- Kinkaiyama) is switching to Sendagawa as of today.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Inagawa Oyakata (ex- Kinkaiyama) is switching to Sendagawa as of today.

Still loaning? Futeno intai soon?

[Raishu 207]

Short update:

Hokutoriki has retired and is listed as the owner of the Tanigawa-share . He continues to work at Hakkaku-beya.

As mentioned on the forum before, Futeno has ended his carrer as an active Rikishi and will be an affiliated coach with Dewanoumi-beya.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Former Komusubi Haguroiwa, Ikazuchi-oyakata, reached the mandatory retirement age of 65 on the 30th of June.

His most famous moment came in the 1969 Haru basho when, fighting under his family name Toda, he defeated Taiho on Day 2. The loss ended Taiho's 45-bout winning streak, the longest of his career, but in fact it should not have been called as a loss at all and the bout led to the introduction of video replays to prevent similar controversies.

According to an Asashosakari post in 2007, Haguroiwa and Futagodake held the record for the most head-to-head bouts between Maegashira rikishi, 33 bouts. Don't know if that record still stands?

Haguroiwa retired from the dohyo in January 1978 and held the Ikazuchi toshiyori from then until his retirement the other day.