Extraordinary happening

[Torideyama 33]

Takanorappa,

Thank you for summarizing this in one post. I was aware of all of these incidents, except the "lack of fighting spirit".

The answer seems to be that there is not a precendent for this. However, I agree that one is probably going to be set. It will be interesting to see what transpires while I am in bed tonight. Anyway, I guess I go pick Tochizauma in all my games for tomorrow.

(On the banzuke...)

Torideyama

What I would like to know is if there is any precedent for what Kintamayama is suggesting? What is the likelihood of him being suspended, or banned? Has it happened before?

Thank to Jonosuke... There's Tamanoumi, though I suppose Roho didn't nearly beat anyone to death.

Taka pointed out that there is a 3 day suspension for lack of fighting spirit -- again, doesn't really apply. There's waaaay too much fighting spirit here.

There was Toki's suspension for his driving incident in 2001. This is not remotely related to this incident, as it was a driving accident; however, he was punished. Toki was suspended for one tournament by the Kyokai. That suspension resulted in a 0-0-15 record for him while in Makuuchi, sending to Juryo for the March 2001 tournament.

..and then there was Futahaguro, of course.

[Takanorappa 97]

The next time he steps on the dohyo I have a feeling he will be in Juryo or do you think maybe even farther down the (On the banzuke...) .

I think that that would take at least a couple 0-0-15 bashos to get into him Makushita, even with a kyujo now. I would doubt the NSK would suspend him that long, though you never know.

Drifting off topic some.... Kishinoyama's question has gotten me thinking about other implications of this incident --- in particular, financial. I'm fairly naive in this area, but I'm curious, I'm also likely jumping the gun, since no punishment has been announced. Doesn't a heya gets a smaller stipend from the Kyokai for a Juryo rikishi than a Makuuchi one? If so, then a suspension that would result in a drop to Juryo would affect the entire heya, no? Also, has anyone heard reactions from Roho's koenkai? I suppose something like this might have big ramifications. Just wondering...

[roydrager 0]

Regarding "ora", when I taught junior high in Tokyo I heard the kids shout it during volleyball games. When the ball is coming to you, you yell "ORRRRRA!" meaning "Mine, I got it!" It was used jokingly because it's crude and rolling the R's is extremely crude.

[Jejima 1,494]

For those who dislike ROHO -

You can decline to fly by AIRFLOT.

I would suggest that Aeroflop sponsors Roho for the benefit of the Japanese market rather than for the Russian / Ossetian / rest of the world markets.

I would also suggest that Roho's recent actions has not won him too many new friends in Japan. In other sports sponsors quite often withdraw sponsorship from individuals after 'scandals' as they no longer wish their product to be associated with that sports persona.

[Ossetian Yokozuna 1]

Jejima -

Honour is not measureing bu money.

[Iwagakki 0]

Ahoyana television have employed lip-readers to figure out just what was said between Chiyorazzi and Roho.

the following is the transcript.

Chyotaikai (following Roho off the dohyo): "if you really want my mawashi we can swap afterwards"

Roho: i'd rather have your sisters mawashi

Chiyotaikai: 何だ？？？

Roho: Va fan cullo you washed-up ヤンキ thug

Chiyotaikai: ......... (starts walking away)

Roho: Your mother wears army boots fatboy.

Chiyotaikai: Ossestian terrorist! why don't you go join the world S.U.M.O. challenge...thats the right level for you.

at this point roho headbutts the bathroom door and a pair of journalists.

AFTERWARDS:

Chiyotaikai: he insulted my mother and my sister.

Roho: everyone knows the mother is sacred to me.

Chiyotaikai: i'm just a dumb boy from oita....i don't even know what a terrorist is

following on from all this roho kidnapped chiyotaikai's dog leading chiyotaikai to bomb roho's airport.

this in turn has forced roho to bring a resolution to the security council condemning chiyotaikai program of using japanese words in such a way that they could be converted to weapons of mass confusion. the motion was seconded by hakurozan but asashoryu vetoed it.

the latest news is that chiyotaikai has launched several misiles in the sea of japan (which roho calls the east sea).

lovely, absolutely lovely (On the banzuke...)

[Iwagakki 0]

I went to see "Pirates of the Caribbean" last night, but this is much better. The plot twists are fantastic. The character development is top notch. All in all, a very good story. My only complaint is that the character played by Ossetian Yokozuna is too one dimensional. A bad guy is supposed to have more depth. However, Kintamayama again provides us with a fine performance as the antagonistic goodie-two-shoes that you mostly agree with, but who you can't help but want to throttle at some juncture. Quite a well developed character.

I give it 4 stars.

[Jejima 1,494]

Jejima -

Honour is not measureing bu money.

Correct. Honour is measured by actions. But if your actions fail you, then for some, money can be a comforter.

[Shibouyama 1]

He is not, in fact, American, nor does he live in North America (or South, for that matter) or Asia,

Sorry to split hairs, but he does actually live in Asia.

From: The Brigadier (not as long as Kintama's new title, but still pretty awe inspiring)

Yes, you are technically right - Southwest Asia, but I believe it's more commonly referred to as the Middle East- whatever that means - as opposed to SoouthEAST Asia, which is referred to as such. But then, I was never good at geography. I've never been to the Middle East. But I spent 6 months in Bhutan. (On the banzuke...)

The Middle East is in Asia. It's as simple as that.

[Shibouyama 1]

My latest post from the other thread. I'm just going to double post from now on. I'm pretty much in agreement with Adachinoryu two posts previous. Below is a little language discussion.

AFAIK,

Hora means 'Look (at something)' and the 'H' is voiced, not silent.

Kora or Korya is a rude version of Kore 'This'.

As stated elsewhere, Ome would be a ruder form of the already rude form of 'you', Omae

Ora is a colloquial version of Ore, a masculine, slightly rude version of 'I'. It appears often in one of my favorite manga, Crayon shin-chan.

Nanda ora doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt it's what he said, even if the Mainichi is saying so. Of course, they never make mistakes do they? According to one very esteemed member of this forum, currently translating the daily quotes, if there's three different reporters there you'll get three different versions of what was said.

Nanda kora, Nanja kora, Nanja korya could all be taken to mean something like, 'What the hell?' 'What's up with that/this?' What's the deal?' 'What's your problem?' etc... This is the most likely candidate in my book.

It seems to me that what Chiyotaikai said is less important than him saying it. Isn't speaking taboo? Roho is catching all the flack here, but Chiyotaikai spoke first, then when Roho answered, he spoke again.

If Chiyotaikai hadn't initiated the dialogue might this whole thing never have happened?

Edited July 16, 2006 by Shibouyama

[Takanorappa 97]

Correct. Honour is measured by actions. But if your actions fail you, then for some, money can be a comforter.

Can money also be a futon? (On the banzuke...) I suppose if you don't use coins.

Honor does not have to be defended.

--author Robert J. Sawyer

[Jejima 1,494]

The day 9 torikumi is out, and...

Roho -- Kotooshu

So whatever disciplinary measure Roho will be facing, it will not be a withdrawal / suspension from this basho. I guess he managed to get away with just a yellow card (On the banzuke...)

[Hakuyobaku 33]

Has the rijikai meeting been held yet? Next day's torikumi is issued at this time usually, so if this comitee decides to suspend Roho from the rest of the basho they might perfectly well proceed with it.

It's just that torikumi makers cannot consider it so they just make regular torikumi as if nothing had happened. It's still to be dicided i think nah?

[Terarno 47]

Here we go, Roho is kyujo.

[Mark Buckton 1]

Azuma loses his kadoban if so.

[Shibouyama 1]

I went to see "Pirates of the Caribbean" last night, but this is much better. The plot twists are fantastic. The character development is top notch. All in all, a very good story. My only complaint is that the character played by Ossetian Yokozuna is too one dimensional. A bad guy is supposed to have more depth. However, Kintamayama again provides us with a fine performance as the antagonistic goodie-two-shoes that you mostly agree with, but who you can't help but want to throttle at some juncture. Quite a well developed character.

I give it 4 stars.

Don't I, as the Brigadier General of the Foreign Fans Gang Brigade, merit a mention?

I feel left out.

:'-(

[Shibouyama 1]

Here we go, Roho is kyujo.

NSK kyujo page

[Jejima 1,494]

Does that mean that the day 9 torikumi will be redone? Roho can't lose twice in a row by fusensho, can he?

[Hakuyobaku 33]

It is. Kotooshu now faces Baruto on day 9. I don't remember who Baruto was facing in the previous version. It's a chain reaction within makuuchi (or not?) i guess..

[Iwagakki 0]

I went to see "Pirates of the Caribbean" last night, but this is much better. The plot twists are fantastic. The character development is top notch. All in all, a very good story. My only complaint is that the character played by Ossetian Yokozuna is too one dimensional. A bad guy is supposed to have more depth. However, Kintamayama again provides us with a fine performance as the antagonistic goodie-two-shoes that you mostly agree with, but who you can't help but want to throttle at some juncture. Quite a well developed character.

I give it 4 stars.

Don't I, as the Brigadier General of the Foreign Fans Gang Brigade, merit a mention?

I feel left out.

:'-(

(Sign of approval)

[Jejima 1,494]

Compare and contrast:-

July Day 9 Makuuchi torikumi pre-withdrawal....

Higashi Nishi

Daimanazuru -- Toyozakura

Buyuzan -- Takekaze

Tochinonada -- Kitazakura

Toyonoshima -- Tochinohana

Jumonji -- Iwakiyama

Tamanoshima -- Homasho

Kasugao -- Aminishiki

Hokutoriki -- Tamakasuga

Tosanoumi -- Dejima

Yoshikaze -- Kokkai

Futeno -- Takamisakari

Ama -- Tokitenku

Baruto -- Kakizoe

Hakurozan -- Kyokutenho

Kyokushuzan -- Kisenosato

Kaio -- Kotoshogiku

Hakuho -- Miyabiyama

Tochiazuma -- Chiyotaikai

Roho -- Kotooshu

Asashoryu -- Kotomitsuki

After withdrawal.....

Daimanazuru -- Toyozakura

Buyuzan -- Takekaze

Jumonji -- Kasuganishiki

Tochinonada -- Kitazakura

Toyonoshima -- Tochinohana

Tamanoshima -- Homasho

Kasugao -- Aminishiki

Hokutoriki -- Tamakasuga

Tosanoumi -- Dejima

Yoshikaze -- Kokkai

Futeno -- Takamisakari

Ama -- Iwakiyama

Tokitenku -- Kakizoe

Hakurozan -- Kyokutenho

Kyokushuzan -- Kisenosato

Kaio -- Kotoshogiku

Hakuho -- Miyabiyama

Tochiazuma -- Chiyotaikai

Baruto -- Kotooshu

Asashoryu -- Kotomitsuki

So rikishi whose bouts were effected are: Kotoshu (obviously), Baruto, Kakizoe, Tokitenku, Ama, Iwakiyama and Kasuganishiki (from Juryo).

[Reki 0]

NHK news says Roho will be suspended for 3 days

[Hakuyobaku 33]

Jejima

Well, that's only if you look to makuuchi (which i guess is what you did). Common sense tells me that the chain reaction goes all the way down to jonokouchi. That's quite a bit of work to do i guess. Which means that the decision should have been made a while ago.

[Jejima 1,494]

NHK news says Roho will be suspended for 3 days

So it is a red card after all.

[Jejima 1,494]

Jejima

Well, that's only if you look to makuuchi (which i guess is what you did). Common sense tells me that the chain reaction goes all the way down to jonokouchi. That's quite a bit of work to do i guess. Which means that the decision should have been made a while ago.

I'm not sure if it does, for two reasons.

Firstly, Makushita and below only have to fight 7 days out of the 15, but it happens from time-to-time for some of these rikishi to fight eight times. Therefore, I think the chain reaction would only go down as far as Juryo, as they'd just select a high ranked Makushita rikishi who wasn't previously scheduled to fight, to fight that day. End of chain.

Secondly, I don't think it would even go that far. Only the Makunouchi bouts are decided well in advance (in order to get the publicity out.). The rest are decided much later. I would hazard a guess that the rest of the day's torikumi hasn't been made yet.

Edit: Where the torikumi does have knock on effects is possibly with Baruto. At the start of the basho, he was 18th in rank, and so was unlikely to meet any of the sanyaku - except the Sadogatake boys. With Wakanosato withdrawn, he gets bumped up to meet the Takasago duo too. Now with Roho gone, he is now amongst the rop 16 active rikishi, and has a positive record to date. He is therefore fair game for sanyaku bouts for the remainder of the basho.....

Edited July 16, 2006 by Jejima