Akinomaki 41,856 Posted September 28 4 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: They NEVER (OK, I don't remember ever) cite the "dead body rule" (I laugh at its many faces) when explaining a decision. But they give hints that point to a dead body decision - like: his body was lost/flying / at the (same) time the other went down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godango 1,093 Posted September 28 I haven't watched the bout again since the broadcast; but my thinking at the time was that it was Onosato's win, or a torinaoshi would be justifiable. I'll have to go back and watch it again, I'm surprised people see it differently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,369 Posted September 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Akinomaki said: But they give hints that point to a dead body decision - like: his body was lost/flying / at the (same) time the other went down Yes, they do, but very obscure, just like this whole shinitai thing is very obscure and inconsistent and pisses me off to no end.. Every time I hear shinitai, shinitai.. Edited September 28 by Kintamayama 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,297 Posted September 28 I was surprised that they called a mono-ii at all, but sure, better safe than sorry. To me it felt obvious even in real time that Hoshoryu was long gone by the time that Onosato touched down, and after the Churanoumi - Tomokaze decision barely an hour earlier, I would have been stunned to see any other outcome of the discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,856 Posted September 28 31 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Yes, they do, but very obscure, just like this whole shinitai thing is very obscure and inconsistent and pisses me off to no end.. Every time I hear shinitai, shinitai.. The shimpan never use shinitai, the media use it to explain the decisions. As pointed out here, the people who decide this are the same department that decides on the banzuke, and we know how consistent these decision are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,791 Posted September 28 Looks like Hoshoryu lost his uwate grip on the belt before he could complete the throw; if he hadn't... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 2,074 Posted September 28 1 hour ago, Kintamayama said: ... shinitai, shinitai.. Shinitai schminitai, Shirley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,485 Posted September 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Godango said: I haven't watched the bout again since the broadcast; but my thinking at the time was that it was Onosato's win, or a torinaoshi would be justifiable. I'll have to go back and watch it again, I'm surprised people see it differently. While not the most clear cut win, I think a rematch would've been very generous to Hoshoryu. The only reason he didn't touch first, is because he was hit far enough outside that there was no dohyo under him for his upper half to touch as he fell. I think that is too close to awarding a rikishi for something their opponent deserves credit for. Edited September 29 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warusawa 23 Posted September 29 Hoshoryu was halfway down to the floor when Onosato's hand touched the dohyo. Pretty clear cut Onosato win to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godango 1,093 Posted September 29 36 minutes ago, Katooshu said: While not the most clear cut win, I think a rematch would've been very generous to Hoshoryu. The only reason he didn't touch first, is because he was hit far enough outside that there was no dohyo under him for his upper half to touch as he fell. I think that is too close to awarding a rikishi for something their opponent deserves credit for. 14 minutes ago, warusawa said: Hoshoryu was halfway down to the floor when Onosato's hand touched the dohyo. Pretty clear cut Onosato win to me. Completely agree, I just would have `understood` a torinaoshi. Calling it a Hoshoryu win would have been outrageous. I was surprised they even checked it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 670 Posted September 29 3 hours ago, Reonito said: Looks like Hoshoryu lost his uwate grip on the belt before he could complete the throw; if he hadn't... He lost his grip immediately after Onosato planted his foot, with Onosato's shoulder jammed up in his armpit. If he hadn't let go, he might have left his arm behind. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,791 Posted September 29 34 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: He lost his grip immediately after Onosato planted his foot, with Onosato's shoulder jammed up in his armpit. If he hadn't let go, he might have left his arm behind. Yeah, I couldn't tell how much of it was that the grip wasn't firm enough and how much of it that Onosato broke it. Former Kotoshogiku did say he intentionally wore a threadbare mawashi and had it tied extra tight so that his opponents couldn't work their fingers in there for a strong grip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am the Yokozuna 223 Posted September 29 A very entertaining tournament. Deserved win for Onosato in the end but delighted that Hoshoyu's 11-0 start, his first ever ten or more wins on the row at the start of a tournament, so a great future rivalry is shaping up. Very deflated about Wakatakakage's missed oozeki promotion, wish him a very speedy recovery of whatever is ailing him. Hopefully, Aonishiki would clinch that promotion in Fukuoka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RussReimroc 30 Posted September 29 Dissapointed that it didn't end up going the way of Hoshoryu, but it was a good win by Onosato. And what an exciting day of sumo it was! I'm happy that we got a playoff. The fact that Onosato got blasted backwards like that in the initial bout- I'd like to see more of that(with respect to Onosato, of course)! It's not often we see him so quickly escorted out of the dohyo like that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
