Sumo Spiffy 667 Posted July 11 Kind of amazed no one's posted this yet, but c/o the Sunday Morning Sumo Show Discord: Daieisho and Endo are out. https://hochi.news/articles/20250710-OHT1T51289.html?page=1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wakawakawaka 219 Posted July 11 O_O Daieisho??? Like, never missed a day Daieisho, that one? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 978 Posted July 11 Just now, Wakawakawaka said: O_O Daieisho??? Like, never missed a day Daieisho, that one? His secret evil twin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,788 Posted July 11 Why are they doing Hoshoryu vs. Takayasu and Onosato vs. Oshoma on Day 1, when we only have 8 sanyaku and one of them (Daieisho) is out? Even with all 8 participating, that's a maximum of 28 intra-sanyaku bouts, and with 7, it's only 21, so they wouldn't normally do two of them in one day until a few days in. We haven't had two on day 1 since last July, when there were 9 sanyaku. Is the torikumi committee getting as erratic as the banzuke committee? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 978 Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, Reonito said: Is the torikumi committee getting as erratic as the banzuke committee? Isn't it the same group of people more or less? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,788 Posted July 11 1 minute ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Isn't it the same group of people more or less? some overlapping subsets... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 978 Posted July 11 ...And there is no intra-sanyaku bout on Day 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuarashi 7 Posted July 11 nabatame also out for day 1 per the JSA english site https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/absence/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,273 Posted July 11 (edited) The full kyujo list as derived from the Fanclub's torikumi previews. Beginning of absent period mentioned if the rikishi isn't newly absent for Nagoya basho. As always, this has been worked out manually, so no guarantees that it's entirely free of errors. (Edit: Now officially confirmed.) S1e Daieisho (Oitekaze) M7w Endo (Oitekaze) J10w Nabatame (Futagoyama) Ms22e Fujitoshi (Fujishima) Ms35w Kaishin (Tagonoura) Ms41e Kawazoe (Isegahama) Ms46w Kiryuko (Tatsunami) - Haru Basho Day 7 Ms53e Fujiizumi (Nishikido) Sd23w Suzaki (Otake) - start of Natsu Basho Sd25w Kotoegashira (Sadogatake) Sd32e Sachinofuji (Isegahama) Sd39w Chiyotaiho (Kokonoe) Sd62w Toramusashi (Musashigawa) Sd67e Okada (Takadagawa) Jd6w Fujinotani (Hakkaku) reported as a yet to be acknowledged intai after Natsu Basho Jd13w Onojo (Takadagawa) - start of Natsu Basho Jd54w Daikinryu (Sakaigawa) - start of Natsu Basho Jd56e Kyokuhayate (Oshima) - Natsu Basho Day 11 Jd60e Sanukiryu (Otowayama) Jd83w Datenoumi (Isenoumi) Jd96w Hamadayama (Shibatayama) - start of Natsu Basho Jd100w Wakasa (Dewanoumi) Jd103e Wakasei (Nishiiwa) - Natsu Basho Day 12 Jk2e Chiyokozan (Kokonoe) - start of Natsu Basho Jk5w Sadanojo (Sakaigawa) Jk8e Wakayahara (Nishiiwa) - start of Natsu Basho Jk25e Nakaie (Yamahibiki) Jk25w Hashimoto (Dewanoumi) Jk26w Chiyoryusei (Kokonoe) Profile links Plus possibly Jk26w Chiyoryusei (Kokonoe); as always it's impossible to tell whether the last rikishi on the banzuke is kyujo or just didn't find a spot on the Day 1/2 schedules, until the official list comes out on Saturday. Chiyoryusei is also kyujo, the list has been adjusted accordingly. Edited July 12 by Asashosakari 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,273 Posted July 11 The list of all rikishi who are active in Nagoya but had not been before (= missed at least the end of Natsu), and how long they had been out, multi-basho absences in bold: J11w Mita (Futagoyama) - Natsu Basho Day 13 Ms6w Wakanosho (Tokiwayama) - Natsu Basho Day 3 Ms42w Tochimaru (Kasugano) - Natsu Basho Day 4 Sd12w Kotodaigo (Sadogatake) - start of Natsu Basho Sd40w Wakatakamoto (Arashio) - start of Natsu Basho Sd71w Takashoki (Tokiwayama) - Natsu Basho Day 3 Jd57w Tatsuosho (Tatsunami) - start of Hatsu Basho Jd98w Gonowaka (Takekuma) - start of Haru Basho Jk16w Naniwamusashi (Musashigawa) - Natsu Basho Day 6 Jk18e Tsurunoumi (Shikoroyama) - start of Natsu Basho Jk19e Higohikari (Kise) - Natsu Basho Day 5 Jk19w Kakuho (Otowayama) - start of Natsu Basho Jk20e Buomaru (Musashigawa) - Hatsu Basho Day 4 Profile links In addition, Futagoyama-beya's Kyoda and Kikuchi are re-joining the competition properly after brief appearances at the end of Natsu basho (hence they're not in the list above). Prior to that, they had been out since Kyushu 2024 Day 3 (Kyoda) and the start of Haru Basho (Kikuchi). 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,301 Posted July 11 (edited) Sekiwake Daieishou, who has never missed a day till now, is out with pain in the right calf. Endou is also out- He had surgery yesterday on his right knee (finally..). Daieishou was up for a possible Ozeki promotion. Both from Oitekaze-beya. Daieishou entering later? Oitekaze Oyakata said about Daieishou's mid-tournament appearance, "I hope he can participate, but I don't know what will happen." He said that Daieishou had originally injured himself during training at his heya lodgings in Soka City, Saitama and had been recovering, but his injury worsened earlier this month while he was training in Yokkaichi, Mie Prefecture, where he is staying, in preparation for Nagoya. "Once the time passes and (the muscles) heal, he'll be able to wrestle again. First he needs to heal his injury. There's no point in rushing," he said, explaining that if his recovery is delayed, he may have to take a complete break. His consecutive bout appearances will end at 1070. After Endou's surgery the night before, he called Oitekaze Oyakata to say, "It went well." The surgery was not endoscopic, but "open surgery" This time it was only on his right knee, but since both knees are injured, there is a possibility that he will have surgery on his left knee in the future. It is certain that he will take a complete rest from this basho, and it is highly likely that he will fall to Juryo next tournament. Oitekaze Oyakata said, "It will take one or two months (to return). For now, he will do his best to prepare for the next tournament," and expressed his hope that he will be able to participate in the Aki basho in September. In Juryo, 10W injury-plagued Nabatame will be kyujo as well. Edited July 11 by Kintamayama 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,301 Posted July 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Asashosakari said: Ms53e Fujiizumi (Nishikido) This is really tragic. Edited July 11 by Kintamayama 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octofuji 431 Posted July 11 That's sad about Daieisho, especially if exacerbated by returning too early. For sake of argument, if Daieisho (or any other Makuuchi wrestler kyujo on Day 1) were to suddenly feel better today, would they be able to have the torikumi changed? Or would they have to wait until Day 3 to enter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,401 Posted July 11 8 minutes ago, Octofuji said: For sake of argument, if Daieisho (or any other Makuuchi wrestler kyujo on Day 1) were to suddenly feel better today, would they be able to have the torikumi changed? Or would they have to wait until Day 3 to enter? Day 2, I guess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripe 82 Posted July 11 12 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said: O_O Daieisho??? Like, never missed a day Daieisho, that one? What do you mean "never missed a day Daieisho"?? Didn't he missed final two days of Nagoya in 2022? I mean, sumo.db gives his record as 593-478-2/1070... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 667 Posted July 11 10 minutes ago, Ripe said: What do you mean "never missed a day Daieisho"?? Didn't he missed final two days of Nagoya in 2022? I mean, sumo.db gives his record as 593-478-2/1070... Nagoya 2022 was a COVID basho. Guys who missed matches due to teammates having COVID and thus being forced to sit don't have those misses count against any consecutive match streaks or anything like that. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,788 Posted July 11 11 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: ...And there is no intra-sanyaku bout on Day 2? That hadn't been posted yet when I looked, I guess they're trying to jazz up the opening day with two new yokozuna... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,273 Posted July 11 (edited) 9 hours ago, Kintamayama said: In Juryo, 10W injury-plagued Nabatame will be kyujo as well. Information straight from the source via the most recent Futagoyama Youtube video (link goes to the relevant section): Surgery on his left knee for a major procedure involving a ligament transplant, out for probably four tournaments, maaaybe three if the recovery goes very well. Four basho out would lead to a return in March with Futagoyama-oyakata talking about a mid-sandanme restart, but that would actually mean jonidan for sure (around J10 -> Ms10 -> Ms50 -> Sd30 -> Jd10 as the drop path). They're optimistic that he'll end up better than ever because he's been fighting on a bum knee but still at juryo level for quite a while now, apparently putting off surgery twice before in the hope that he'll just be able to keep working through it, but things became worse at the recent summer training camp. Edited July 11 by Asashosakari 5 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 978 Posted July 11 13 hours ago, Kintamayama said: After Endou's surgery the night before, he called Oitekaze Oyakata to say, "It went well." The surgery was not endoscopic, but "open surgery" This time it was only on his right knee, but since both knees are injured, there is a possibility that he will have surgery on his left knee in the future. He will be 35 in October; does it even make sense at this point? And no, there is no way he will be back for Aki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,636 Posted July 11 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: He will be 35 in October; does it even make sense at this point? And no, there is no way he will be back for Aki. If Endo misses Aki he will be borderline juryo/makushita in November. Which side of that border he ends up on might be what makes up his mind. He's also had elder stock since about 2019, and he's a University graduate, so it's not like he's going to have to look for work washing-up in a noodle shop to make ends meet. Edited July 11 by Tigerboy1966 copyedit 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,401 Posted July 11 (edited) ...and he still has to become the next yokozuna. Edited July 11 by Jakusotsu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 667 Posted July 12 19 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: If Endo misses Aki he will be borderline juryo/makushita in November. Which side of that border he ends up on might be what makes up his mind. He's also had elder stock since about 2019, and he's a University graduate, so it's not like he's going to have to look for work washing-up in a noodle shop to make ends meet. I wonder if Wakatakakage's comeback will have guys thinking it's more doable than they might have previously. Different ages, ranks, etc., I know, but if it's something he can heal from and he wants to keep fighting, it might be worth taking a whack at a makushita basho and seeing if he can get his salary back quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,291 Posted July 12 (edited) Two months to return from open ACL surgery, yeah ok. I’m also selling a bridge to Oitekaze oyakata. Should have just fixed it properly the first time. It’s such a ridiculous premise that I’m fairly convinced this is for QoL improvement for a post retirement plan. He’s done on the dohyo. Edited July 12 by Tsuchinoninjin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted July 12 On 11/07/2025 at 09:01, Kintamayama said: This is really tragic. What was the story behind such a long absence? Certainly not an injury unless it is consecutive bad injuries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,636 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said: I wonder if Wakatakakage's comeback will have guys thinking it's more doable than they might have previously. Different ages, ranks, etc., I know, but if it's something he can heal from and he wants to keep fighting, it might be worth taking a whack at a makushita basho and seeing if he can get his salary back quickly. The ages, ranks, thing is important. WTK was a 28-year-old sekiwake: Endo is a 34-year-old M7. Endo is two kyujo away from being an unsalaried 35-year-old and I don't think he'll fancy that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites