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45 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Day 13 torikumi is up and it looks like they're skipping Tochinoshin-Goeido for the former vs. Asanoyama. (And latter vs. Shodai)

Interesting. I guess they didn’t have much choice. They’re happy enough to deny lower-ranked rikishi a chance to catch the pacemaker (see: Ichinojo in March) but prefer not to let a lower-ranker lead unchallenged. Hence they’re giving Tochinoshin the chance to influence the yusho race rather than wait for Asanoyama to slip up against someone else.

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58 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

Day 13 torikumi is up and it looks like they're skipping Tochinoshin-Goeido for the former vs. Asanoyama. (And latter vs. Shodai)

This is the right decision. Had it not been for Hakuho things could turned out really awkward in March. Sometimes traditions be damned.

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My guess is that the schedulers are under considerable pressure to ensure that there is not a playoff, especially a potentially lengthy 3-way, on Day 15, considering that there are VIPs who cannot stay forever.  I’m guessing the time between Kakuryu’s final match and the presentation of the trophy will be much shorter than usual.

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2 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Day 13 torikumi is up and it looks like they're skipping Tochinoshin-Goeido for the former vs. Asanoyama. (And latter vs. Shodai)

Common sense prevailed.   Tochinoshin to play the enforcer role. 

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6 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Do we know which basho and day? I’ve no idea how to narrow down a query like that on the database.

On a side note, what database do the Japanese press and NSK use? They seem to be able to find interesting records fairly quickly.

I have no idea.

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Posted (edited)

 

4 hours ago, specialweek 2 said:

Which of the 3 basho that year do you believe this to be true?

My bad, never happened. Jetlag?

Edited by Kintamayama
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I have to wonder if Ikioi went kyujo the last basho, would he struggle in juryo this much.   He is 3-8 and the 3 wins weren't that impressive either.

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 Ah, I was wondering where Takagenji had gone during the juryo bouts. Turns out he's visiting makuuchi for the day.

 

You know, this daily name-calling ritual is one of the traditions of sumo I'd happily see set aside. It's not as if there aren't a dozen other ways to find out who's on the banzuke, including inside the arena itself. Get on with it.

Edited by Eikokurai

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13 hours ago, Benihana said:

It's not only the shinpan having a bad basho. The Gyoji get in the way quite often. 3rd time in makuuchi today?

Aoiyama really should go forward more often. It's a frightening sight. Even Kasugano-oyakata says he's stronger than stablemate Tochinoshin.

 

Pushing, maybe he's stronger but on the belt surely not.

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A wall has definitely hit Enho.

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5 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

A wall has definitely hit Enho.

Enho does not do well against shorter, compact rikishi.   Still, the last 3 losses (IMO) were predictable as Enho faced higher ranked makuuchi opponents.   Tomorrow, he will likely lose again to Meisei  to fall to 7-6.   8-7 for Enho would be a very successful makuuchi debut.

Tomokaze's KK streak will be over soon.  He's going against Myogiryu tomorrow who will show the youngster the wall.  It's the same wall that Enho ran into earlier.  

 

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4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Day 13 torikumi is up and it looks like they're skipping Tochinoshin-Goeido for the former vs. Asanoyama. (And latter vs. Shodai)

Goeido v. Shodai seems like they missed an opportunity to get another sanyaku matchup in Ichinojo v. Goeido.  Apparently the schedulers don't think much of Ichinojo's status...

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Posted (edited)

Tamawashi fulfills his obligations by helping to reign in Asanoyama. 

Great struggle between Hokutofuji and Endo. That's what you want to see when they put two guys with 7 losses up against each other. Endo in control, but solid defensive effort from his aite.

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Asanoyma ran into the surging Tamawashi who is bent on retaking a sanyuku spot.   This may be the beginning of the end of yusho run.  He faces Tochinoshin tomorrow who will hand him the 3rd loss.  Well, maybe.

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Just now, robnplunder said:

Asanoyma ran into the surging Tamawashi who is bent on retaking a sanyuku spot.   This may be the beginning of the end of yusho run.  He faces Tochinoshin tomorrow who will hand him the 3rd loss.  Well, maybe.

Was it you who said Tochinoshin would never lose to Abi in his current form? :-P

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2 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Was it you who said Tochinoshin would never lose to Abi in his current form? :-P

Who?  Me?  I don't remember. (Sigh...)   I do remember I call Onosho's win against Enho among other calls.  I am betting 500 on my predictions and there will be a 50% chance of rain in Shanghai tomorrow.  Bring an umbrella.

Asanoyama in his current form will not beat Tochi tomorrow.    I said it here.   

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Just now, robnplunder said:

Who?  Me?  I don't remember. (Sigh...)   I do remember I call Onosho's win against Enho among other calls.  I am betting 500 on my predictions and there will be a 50% chance of rain in Shanghai tomorrow.  Bring an umbrella.

Asanoyama in his current form will not beat Tochi tomorrow.    I said it here.   

Bring on the rain. It's bloody hot today.

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My hats off to Ichinojo who won the clash of Titans.   That was a good sumo.

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Hmm. When I said Tochinoshin was going to be an Ozeki again "barring a huge collapse" I wasn't actually thinking that was a possibility. He was totally flat today. 

If he fails to reach ten wins after starting 7-0 and getting his 8th win for free, that will surely count as one of sumo's biggest chokes.

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Posted (edited)

Tochinoshin should have stood back up at Tachi-ai and gotten settled again. He clearly wasn't ready to face off.

Meanwhile, Meisei continues to impress. Kachi-koshi and the second best shiko in sumo behind Abi.

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And Takayasu is equally pathetic. Abi didn't even need to draw his weapon to win that one. Kachikoshi and a possible (probable?) sanyaku debut for him next time.

Six consecutive KK for Goeido now, extending his personal best as an Ozeki.

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9 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Tochinoshin should have stood back up at Tachi-ai and gotten settled again. He clearly wasn't ready to face off.

The un-readiness was seen on Tochinoshin. He should've called matta

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Just now, code_number3 said:

The un-readiness was seen on Tochinoshin. He should've called matta

Welcome to the forum, new person.

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Ryuden looked well up for that bout. Shame that once it started he wasn't really in it.

And now the yusho race starts to take on its expected form. Kakuryu will maintain his lead over Tochinoshin, while Asanoyama will get reigned in.

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