‘Inherited’ Yusho Winners

[Eikokurai 3,437]

With the possibility of Takakeisho winning Chiganoura-beya’s first yusho right after transferring from Takanohana, I was wondering what other examples there have been of this sort of thing? That is, a stable taking on a future yusho winner or an Oyakata inheriting a yusho winner from a predecessor and then coat-tail riding on their success, for want of a better expression. If Takakeisho wins, it’s more a Takanohana success story than it is Chiganoura’s.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Eikokurai

[Naganoyama 6,042]

Kyokutenho won his yusho in May 2012 as a member of Tomozuna Beya, having moved on 24-April-2012 from Oshima Beya which had just closed on the retirement of the shisho.

[ryafuji 825]

Futagoyama beya certainly benefited from getting Takanohana when Fujishima beya merged with it.

[orandashoho 720]

... and Kyokutenho went on to eventually become Tomozuna-oyakata.
It would be great if one of his rikishi would bring a new yusho to the stable, but Kaisei is in no shape to achieve this now.

[Yamanashi 4,083]

Maybe it depends on how long the rikishi has been in the new heya.  Kisenosato started out in Naruto (not the present version) before he was in Tagonoura.

 

[Akinomaki 41,839]

Terunofuji came from Magaki-beya

(Kise never changed the heya, the heya name changed, and the shisho)

Edited November 21, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Kishinoyama 625]

Ozeki Kitanofuji won the Makuunochi yusho in his first tournament after transferring from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe. His stablemate Matsumaeyama also won the Juryo yusho in same tournament after transferring from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe. 1967 Haru

I should have mentioned that Chiyonoyama,  Kokonoe Oyakata had decided to start his own heya.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Kishinoyama

[Bumpkin 438]

16 minutes ago, Kishinoyama said:

Ozeki Kitanofuji won the Makuunochi yusho in his first tournament after transferring from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe. His stablemate Matsumaeyama also won the Juryo yusho in same tournament after transferring from Dewanoumi to Kokonoe. 1967 Haru

I should have mentioned that Chiyonoyama,  Kokonoe Oyakata had decided to start his own heya.

Was this the reason why Kitanofuji did not have a "Chiyo-" shikona?

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

The definitive use of the "chiyo" part of the shikona seems to have not happened until Chiyonofuji took over the stable. Of the 269 current and former wrestlers that have wrestled for Kokonoe stable, only 76 (including the namesake) have wrestled with the "chiyo" name. What's more interesting is that a number of names seem to have been used more than once, some even three times. Another thing to remember is that many newer guys who start out with the stable don't earn that part of the name until they climb high enough on the banzuke, so getting "Chiyo" as part of your shikona has to be earned with greatness. After all, the namesake is considered one of the greatest of all time.

[Gurowake 4,153]

20 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Was this the reason why Kitanofuji did not have a "Chiyo-" shikona?

Plenty of Kokonoe wrestlers previous to Chiyonofuji becoming Kokonoe-oyakata had non-Chiyo shikona, such as Yokozuna Hokutoumi, now Hakkaku-rijicho.  As WAKATAKE said, Chiyonofuji merely gave one to absolutely every single deshi instead of the previous tendency to use it more often than most stables.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gurowake

[Gurowake 4,153]

6 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

The definitive use of the "chiyo" part of the shikona seems to have not happened until Chiyonofuji took over the stable. Of the 269 current and former wrestlers that have wrestled for Kokonoe stable, only 76 (including the namesake) have wrestled with the "chiyo" name. What's more interesting is that a number of names seem to have been used more than once, some even three times. Another thing to remember is that many newer guys who start out with the stable don't earn that part of the name until they climb high enough on the banzuke, so getting "Chiyo" as part of your shikona has to be earned with greatness. After all, the namesake is considered one of the greatest of all time.

More specifically, it's not bestowed upon them until reaching sandanme these days.  That's pretty much 100% the case.  For instance, Chiyoshoma was just known as "Shoma" until reaching Sd in July 2010.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gurowake

[WAKATAKE 2,759]

Just now, Gurowake said:

It's not bestowed upon them until reaching sandanme these days.  That's pretty much 100% the case.  For instance, Chiyoshoma was just known as "Shoma" originally.

Did I not indicate that they don't start out with the chiyo name until they climb high enough?

[Gurowake 4,153]

1 minute ago, WAKATAKE said:

Did I not indicate that they don't start out with the chiyo name until they climb high enough?

I was being more specific.  Sorry if it came across the wrong way.  I've edited it for clarity.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Gurowake

[Akinomaki 41,839]

There must be really many yusho winners who qualify:

Those who branch out with their oyakata from the previous heya of the shisho, like Kitanofuji (usually uchi deshi)

Those who stay in the same heya, but the shisho changes till the yusho, like Kotoshogiku, Mienoumi, Chiyonofuji and Kisenosato (also heya name change)

Those whose heya vanishes and who join another heya, like Terunofuji and Kyokutenho

Rather not those whose heya merges with another and just the heya name changes, but not the oyakata, like Takanohana, Wakanohana, Takanonami and Takatoriki

And not those, where only the heya name changes, like Harumafuji

Quite a work to check all

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Yusho.aspx

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx ( to check for the shisho as new recruit)

Edited November 21, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Asashosakari 20,272]

19 hours ago, Gurowake said:

More specifically, it's not bestowed upon them until reaching sandanme these days.  That's pretty much 100% the case.  For instance, Chiyoshoma was just known as "Shoma" until reaching Sd in July 2010.

Although ex-Chiyotaikai has done away with that "not until sandanme" practice for the deshi recruited since he took over: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&heya=40&form1_year=201609-now&form1_mz=on&form1_debutd=on&form2_jk=on&form2_debutd=on

Another heya-changing (but shisho-keeping) future yusho winner not mentioned yet: Baruto.

Edit: One of the more famous examples of same-heya shisho change: Sadanoyama. Recruited by Dewanoumi #7, won all his makuuchi yusho under Dewanoumi #8, then became #9 immediately upon his own retirement (Dewanoumi-kabu).

Edited November 21, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Kishinoyama 625]

3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

....Edit: One of the more famous examples of same-heya shisho change: Sadanoyama. Recruited by Dewanoumi #7, won all his makuuchi yusho under Dewanoumi #8, then became #9 immediately upon his own retirement (Dewanoumi-kabu).

Also the reason Chiyonoyama decided to leave Dewanoumi and start Kokonoe heya. Sadanoyama married the oyakata's daughter and Chiyonoyama knew he would not be the next Dewanoumi oyakata.

Edited November 22, 2018 by Kishinoyama