Hakuhou kyujo!

[Kintamayama 45,672]

There is a distinct possibility that Hakuhou will miss Aki. He has not been seen in keiko these last few days. "It's the left knee. He has been training lately while protecting it and it has gotten worse. When I asked him how his knee was a few days ago he just said 'yeah..' It looked like he had difficulties climbing the stairs.." said his Oyakata Miyagino. He did injure his left toe on day 9 of Nagoya against Ikioi and that may have put some extra pressure on his knee as well.. He did an x-ray immediately after that bout that showed that there was a fracture but because there were so many kyujos already he felt a sense of responsibility and soldiered on till the end of the basho. Usually after the banzuke is released he goes for degeiko and starts serious training but this is not happening right now. He is icing the injured area and resting at home. "If he gets cured, it is better he should be 100% cured.. If it gets worse causing him to miss the next basho that is not good . The body is the most important thing here.." added his Oyakata.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Kintamayama

[Ahogeyama 8]

When you really look at Hakuhou's performance over his entire career, the guy's been such a workhorse. As a yokozuna he's only kyujo'd one time, and he's only missed one full tournament (never as a yokozuna) in his career. Even the best need to sit down once in a while, and I'm hoping he does.

[Arn 24]

If he is injured I hope he stays away and heals up (that goes for everybody in Sumo). I actually think it would be very interesting to have a tournament without Hakuho from the beginning. Maybe the stars are aligning for Kisenosato??? And then we can also avoid speculation about how badly he was injured.

[robnplunder 976]

He'd better get his knee rested than trying to go with it.  As one gets older, injury frequency & and recovery time increase.  Not treated fully will cause more issues later and will lead to a shortened career.   Good luck to him.

[Rocks 1,810]

I called this. Looks like Kisenosato will get his Yusho and become Yokozuna.

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/35496-basho-talk-nagoya-basho-2016-spoiler-alert/?page=30#comment-311198

 

[Benihana 1,942]

If Hakuho is kyujo and Kise wins the basho and gets promoted, some people will always say he won just because Hakuho was injured.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Ogami Ittō

[sekitori 492]

18 hours ago, Ogami Ittō said:

If Hakuho is kyujo and Kise wins the basho and gets promoted, people will always say he won just because Hakuho was injured.

With consecutive records of 13-2, 13-2, 12-3, and a yusho, Kisensato will have earned his  promotion. The fact that Hakuho wasn't present shouldn't matter at all. That record will be more than worthy of promotion to yokozuna, no matter who is kyujo and no matter what others may think. 

Edited September 2, 2016 by sekitori

[Kishinoyama 596]

17 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

....He did injure his left toe on day 9 of Nagoya against Ikioi and that may have put some extra pressure on his knee as well.. He did an x-ray immediately after that bout that showed that there was a fracture but because there were so many kyujos already he felt a sense of responsibility and soldiered on till the end of the basho....

I broke my small toe on my right foot in June of 2012. I can tell you that it was a very painful injury and took quite a long time to heal. I could not imagine competing in a major sport with this injury. It was difficult enough just walking around! I am truly amazed that Hakuho stayed in the tournament until the end. 

Edited September 2, 2016 by Kishinoyama

[Morningstar 118]

Hakuho's presence at the last Basho had no effect on whether or not Kisensato won. As Hakuho was not the one preventing Kisensato from winning the tournament.

Last tournament was a golden opportunity for Kisensato (one of many he has had). And, he failed to come though in the end (again). And, frankly Kisensato would probably be better off with a wounded Hakuho giving up wins, than with another hungry lower ranks looking to take out the weak Ozeki and advance their careers. Unless you are into conspiracy theory's like some other Sumo sites.  And, expect the NHK to "arrange" for their chosen one to get a win, because...

 

Edited September 2, 2016 by Morningstar

[Benihana 1,942]

WE know that, but there will always be some misanthrops out there, who will point it out. But whatever, he has to get the promotion first. And if he does not get promoted, some people will diss him, because he couldn't do it with Hak absent.

But now to something completely different:

I can relate to Hak and Kishinoyama, broke my pinky toe too, when i was young. I didn't get a cast, it was just taped to the other toes and i remember a week of extreme pain. Kudos to the Hak for soldiering on. I don't really like you Hak, but get well soon. 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2016 by Ogami Ittō

[hamcornheinz 839]

Dropped a heavy drawer on my toe and it didn't heal for a few months, also broke a finger when I was younger, so I can sort of relate by conflating the two experiences. 

[Bumpkin 438]

Which toe on which foot?

[hamcornheinz 839]

1 minute ago, Bumpkin said:

Which toe on which foot?

right big

[robnplunder 976]

3 hours ago, sekitori said:

With consecutive records of 13-2. 13-2. 12-3, and a yusho, Kisensato will have earned his  promotion. The fact that Hakuho wasn't present shouldn't matter at all. That record will be more than worthy of promotion to yokozuna, no matter who is kyujo and no matter what others may think. 

Fully agreed.    Food for thought ---> if Hak is truly injured but still competes in the Aki and loses to Kise who goes on to get the Yusho & 'Zuna, then what?   Are Kise naysayers going to discredit Kise's win and 'Zuna title?   I hope not.   What's important is that Kise comes through with his 1st Yusho, and be the worthy of 'Zuna in subsequent bashos.   First thing first, Kise needs to win the basho.   

[Rocks 1,810]

3 hours ago, sekitori said:

With consecutive records of 13-2. 13-2. 12-3, and a yusho, Kisensato will have earned his  promotion. The fact that Hakuho wasn't present shouldn't matter at all. That record will be more than worthy of promotion to yokozuna, no matter who is kyujo and no matter what others may think. 

True, if three jun-yusho followed by a yusho isn't Yokozuna worthy I don't know what is. As stated Kise beat Hakuho last basho so it's not like people can claim he couldn't beat him.

[WAKATAKE 2,681]

Hakuho was not at the YDC keiko session today:

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1703872.html

Also according to Chairman Hakkaku, Hakuho is hoping he can compete this basho. 

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1703977.html

[Kintamayama 45,672]

25 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

Also according to Chairman Hakkaku, Hakuho is hoping he can compete this basho. 

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1703977.html

On the contrary-it seems Hakuhou is adamant to sit this one out. "This is the first time since Hakuhou entered sumo that his pain is too much to even train. I don't think he will be able to just get up and do sumo after resting a lot.." said his Oyakata. Hakkaku, OTOH, is adamant that Hakuhou should make an effort to appear.  "No one is always 100% healthy. The fans are expecting him to enter despite the hardships. There are still some days left. I would like him to get with it from here on..," said the rijicho. No quotes from Hakuhou at all in this article.

Edited September 2, 2016 by Kintamayama

[CT3* 331]

I hope Hakuhou is back to full strength soon. I'm planning on heading back to Tokyo for the January 2017 basho and it would really suck to make the trip and have any of the Yokozunae be kyujo.

[Dapeng 236]

I believe Hakuho will sit out this basho. However, whether this is positive or negative to Kise's post-basho promotion, it's difficult to say.

A completely healthy Hakuho competing for Yusho, is definitely negative to Kise. But the opposite (Hakuho absent) is not necessarily positive. Moreover, several rikishi dearly need wins this basho, e.g. the two kadoban ozeki. For Kise, this basho will be more difficult than last basho.

[Dapeng 236]

12 hours ago, Morningstar said:

Hakuho's presence at the last Basho had no effect on whether or not Kisensato won. As Hakuho was not the one preventing Kisensato from winning the tournament.

Last tournament was a golden opportunity for Kisensato (one of many he has had). And, he failed to come though in the end (again). And, frankly Kisensato would probably be better off with a wounded Hakuho giving up wins, than with another hungry lower ranks looking to take out the weak Ozeki and advance their careers. Unless you are into conspiracy theory's like some other Sumo sites.  And, expect the NHK to "arrange" for their chosen one to get a win, because...

 

Hakuho's loss to Kise last basho is critical. If Hakuho beat Kise last basho, Kise would be only 11 wins and his zuna-run probably reset to zero. 

If Hakuho sits out this basho, other rikishi, especially Kakuryu, will take this chance to fight hard to try to yusho. Also, there are rikishi like the two kadoban ozeki who dearly need wins. I think this basho is harder than last one for Kise. 

[Dapeng 236]

I predict Kise another 12 wins: one loss in week 1, another to Geeku, and to Kakuryu on day-14.

[Morningstar 118]

I nearly agree 100%. This Basho will be harder for Kisensato if an injured Hakuho does not participate. An injured Hakuho will be giving up wins, reliving some of the pressure on other top rankers.

[sekitori 492]

10 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

On the contrary-it seems Hakuhou is adamant to sit this one out. "This is the first time since Hakuhou entered sumo that his pain is too much to even train. I don't think he will be able to just get up and do sumo after resting a lot.." said his Oyakata. Hakkaku, OTOH, is adamant that Hakuhou should make an effort to appear.  "No one is always 100% healthy. The fans are expecting him to enter despite the hardships. There are still some days left. I would like him to get with it from here on..," said the rijicho. No quotes from Hakuhou at all in this article.

I admired Hakkaku when he was yokozuna Hokutoumi.  I think that while he was overshadowed by his Kokonoe stablemate yokozuna Chiyonofuji, he still brought great respect to his rank. I do not however, admire his ignorant statement as rijicho concerning Hakuho's entry in the Aki basho. How he can urge a rikishi to compete without knowing how that rikishi feels is beyond me. As for performing in a basho under hardship, all he has to do is look at the Nagoya basho when someone named Hakuho had a debilitating injury which prevented him from having any chance of winning the yusho. But he felt that once he entered a tournament,  it was his duty as a yokozuna to complete it, no matter how badly he felt or how poor his chances of being competitive were.

I think one of the things that a rijicho (or anyone else for that matter) should avoid doing is making stupid comments concerning things he knows nothing about. On the other hand, maybe Hakkaku does know something about being injured. In the Natsu 1991, Aki 1991, and Hatsu 1992 bashos, yokozuna Hokutoumi did not compete "due to injury". It apparently was okay for him to go kyujo but it's not okay for Hakuho to do the same. 

I believe it's very wise for Hakuho to stay silent about all this. It's ridiculous trying to reply to a statement which makes absolutely no sense. 

 

Edited September 2, 2016 by sekitori

[sumodrax 8]

Thanx for the info about Y. Hakuho, ((( Kintamayama! ))) 
I think, if he is or having an isue/problem/injuring with the knee, then perhaps he need to rest and stand over this basho, and make it better! But of course i like to se Y. Hakuho up there and compete. Wishes and Hopes for recovering A.S.A.P.  !!! 

[Kintamayama 45,672]

Hakuhou has yet to train for the basho, and it is looking increasingly certain that he will sit out Aki basho.