Jakusotsu 6,389 Posted July 21, 2016 Wow - at 16 years and half the weight of Ichinojo, he's acting even slower than the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted July 28, 2016 Final standings for Nagoya basho: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 14 Jonokuchi 1 East Jonidan 97 24-74 0.245 2-5 1-6 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 8 Jonokuchi 2 East Jonokuchi 1 15-43 0.259 3-4 0-7 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 8 Jonokuchi 2 West Jonokuchi 2 16-41 0.281 3-4 2-5 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 8 Jonokuchi 3 East Jonidan 99 18-38 0.321 2-5 3-4 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 15 East Jonokuchi 1 16-40 0.286 1-6 4-3 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 5 Jonokuchi 18 East Jonokuchi 18 1-33-1 0.029 1-6 0-7 Asahinishiki Oguruma Kyushu 2015 4 Jonokuchi 16 East Jonokuchi 4 5-19-4 0.208 1-6 2-4-1 Well done by Fukuminato. Other than him it was mostly a basho to forget, with the only 3-4 record being rather emblematic of it: Kushibiki got there from 0-4 down. (Beating Hanai and two kids who will probably be joining us after Aki...) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) Aki 2016 through nakabi: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Nishonoseki Haru 2014 14 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonidan 97 25-77 0.245 1-6 1-3 Oatari Shikihide Haru 2015 9 Jonokuchi 1 West Jonidan 99 18-42 0.300 3-4 0-4 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 8 Jonokuchi 7 West Jonokuchi 2 19-42 0.311 2-5 3-1 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 8 Jonokuchi 29 East Jonokuchi 1 16-46 0.258 0-7 1-3 Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 6 Jonokuchi 29 West Jonokuchi 18 1-37-1 0.026 0-7 0-4 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Asahinishiki Asahiyama Kyushu 2015 4 Jonokuchi 13 West Jonokuchi 4 7-21-4 0.250 2-4-1 2-2 Oatari was previously known as Omagnavox Kushibiki, but the name change hasn't brought him any good luck so far. Hattorizakura, infamously highlighted in the basho thread the other day, also finds himself 0-4 and makekoshi already. On the flipside we have Asatatsuke who started the basho 3-0 and consequently had his first potential KK clincher today - heavyweight sandanme regular Kenho was a step too far though. Still, three more shots to come. Aki basho is the tournament when we traditionally find most of our persistence reinforcements as a number of Haru basho debutants will be picking up their third makekoshi here. 12 recruits failed to KK in both Natsu and Nagoya and are thus in danger of joining us; no KK or MK among them during the first week, so no news to report on that front yet. Edited September 18, 2016 by Asashosakari 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 18, 2016 By the way, I'm not sure what to think about the fact that nobody alerted me - for 10 basho! - that I forgot to change Yamashita's heya field from Matsugane to Nishonoseki... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,810 Posted September 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, Asashosakari said: By the way, I'm not sure what to think about the fact that nobody alerted me - for 10 basho! - that I forgot to change Yamashita's heya field from Matsugane to Nishonoseki... I was going to say something but I had no clue it was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,148 Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Asashosakari said: By the way, I'm not sure what to think about the fact that nobody alerted me - for 10 basho! - that I forgot to change Yamashita's heya field from Matsugane to Nishonoseki... Easy - no one cares what heya these guys are in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,958 Posted September 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Asashosakari said: By the way, I'm not sure what to think about the fact that nobody alerted me - for 10 basho! - that I forgot to change Yamashita's heya field from Matsugane to Nishonoseki... The thing about that is it was just a name change for the heya, not a move to a different heya. I'm sure someone would have noticed if, for example, a rikishi had moved from Oguruma-beya to Asahiyama-beya... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said: The thing about that is it was just a name change for the heya, not a move to a different heya. I'm sure someone would have noticed if, for example, a rikishi had moved from Oguruma-beya to Asahiyama-beya... Indeed, can't imagine that one would have slipped through... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 20, 2016 No luck again for Asatatsuke, losing to the very professional Reon. In better news Yamashita and Hanai (against Hattorizakura) improved to 2-3 to stay in the race for kachikoshi. Asahinishiki is also still in, of course, but fell to the same score. We have our first 4 sign-ups for future persistence: Teraowaka, Ose and Sawanofuji fell to 1-4 for their third straight MK, and Miura, who was set to drop off the banzuke altogether, is joining the basho tomorrow for the last two bouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 21, 2016 Another chance went begging for Asatatsuke, this time against pint-sized Urutora, leaving him at 3-3 before the final round. He's joined by Yamashita and Asahinishiki who were victorious today, but Hanai dropped to 2-4. And the next three applicants have clocked in with Wada, Chida and Kazunofuji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,958 Posted September 21, 2016 So that's where Miyabiyama's mini-Mi shoulder lump went when he retired. Lovely utchari there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) And another two kids have picked up their third MK on Day 12: Shunpo and Kotokobayashi. Both guys' real surname is Kobayashi, talk about a case of odd timing. Of the original 12 "contenders", 9 are already makekoshi, two more are even at 3-3. Only one has escaped via kachikoshi, which is pretty low even in the context of these somewhat skill-deprived groups of newcomers who still remain in Jk after two basho. Edited September 22, 2016 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,958 Posted September 24, 2016 Congratulations to Yamashita, who has finally fought his way out of the Persistence Watch's proverbial paper bag, staging a great recovery from 1-3 and clinching his first kachi-koshi today with an oshidashi win over Shimakaze. The latter seems to be the persistent type really, currently on an eight-basho make-koshi streak, but he avoided the watch thanks to a kachi-koshi in his honbasho debut last year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, Yubinhaad said: Congratulations to Yamashita, who has finally fought his way out of the Persistence Watch's proverbial paper bag, staging a great recovery from 1-3 and clinching his first kachi-koshi today with an oshidashi win over Shimakaze. The latter seems to be the persistent type really, currently on an eight-basho make-koshi streak, but he avoided the watch thanks to a kachi-koshi in his honbasho debut last year. Congrats also to Asahinishiki! Asatatsuke unfortunately fell short of KK in the end, but he gave it all he had: Edited September 25, 2016 by Asashosakari 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 332 Posted September 26, 2016 I'm not sure how to query for this, so I'll ask instead: Has anyone ever managed to get from qualifying from the Persistence watch to a respectable rank? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said: I'm not sure how to query for this, so I'll ask instead: Has anyone ever managed to get from qualifying from the Persistence watch to a respectable rank? Some information can be found here and in the posts that follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 30, 2016 Aki results summary: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Nishonoseki Haru 2014 14 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonidan 97 28-77 0.267 1-6 4-3 Oatari Shikihide Haru 2015 9 Jonokuchi 1 West Jonidan 99 19-44 0.302 3-4 1-6 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 9 Jonokuchi 7 West Jonokuchi 2 19-45 0.297 2-5 3-4 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 9 Jonokuchi 29 East Jonokuchi 1 18-47 0.277 0-7 3-4 Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 6 Jonokuchi 29 West Jonokuchi 18 1-40-1 0.024 0-7 0-7 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Asahinishiki Asahiyama Kyushu 2015 4 Jonokuchi 13 West Jonokuchi 4 9-22-4 0.290 2-4-1 4-3 The longest- and shortest-serving members have secured their graduation as detailed during the basho. Three others will now have to try to stop their streaks from reaching double-digits in Kyushu. The fresh entrants for the new Persistence "season" are as follows: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2016.05 2016.07 2016.09 Wada Azumazeki Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 4 East Jonokuchi 4 8-13 0.381 3-4 3-4 2-5 Teraowaka Shikoroyama Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 6 East Jonokuchi 6 7-14 0.333 3-4 3-4 1-6 Ose Kasugayama Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 6 West Jonokuchi 6 8-13 0.381 3-4 3-4 2-5 Shunpo Minezaki Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 7 East Jonokuchi 7 8-13 0.381 3-4 3-4 2-5 Chida Onomatsu Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 8 8-13 0.381 3-4 2-5 3-4 Kazunofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 9 West Jonokuchi 9 8-13 0.381 3-4 2-5 3-4 Kotokobayashi Sadogatake Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 14 West Jonokuchi 14 6-15 0.286 1-6 2-5 3-4 Miura Asakayama Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 17 West Jonokuchi 14 4-12-5 0.250 2-5 1-6 1-1-5 Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 3 Jonokuchi 21 East Jonokuchi 21 3-18 0.143 0-7 1-6 2-5 However, Kazunofuji has retired after the basho, so we're joined by 8 rikishi from 8 different stables. Pick a favourite and root for him. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,223 Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) By the way, veteran Koseki, who retired after Aki basho, was a former dai-persister who started off with 10 straight makekoshi, in fact never even reaching 3 wins before his first KK. And on a trivia note, the other day I stumbled upon perhaps the weirdest career start ever: Oginishiki (not the well-known one) also opened his career with 10 straight MK - before reaching a 6-1 playoff in the next basho! Edited September 30, 2016 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morningstar 118 Posted October 1, 2016 What is up with Hattorizakura? Shear unsuitability and incompetence will get you a better win percentage than 2.4%. In this case one win in 45 tries. One would have to be actively avoiding wins to get that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 978 Posted October 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Morningstar said: What is up with Hattorizakura? Shear unsuitability and incompetence will get you a better win percentage than 2.4%. In this case one win in 45 tries. One would have to be actively avoiding wins to get that bad. He's that bad. I saw his bouts and he simply does not belong in sumo, or in any physical sport for that matter. He is skinny, slow & clumsy, and mentally unfit. Someday, he will get seriously hurt in practice or in basho match. I hope he quits for his own good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morningstar 118 Posted October 1, 2016 1 hour ago, robnplunder said: He's that bad. I saw his bouts and he simply does not belong in sumo, or in any physical sport for that matter. He is skinny, slow & clumsy, and mentally unfit. Someday, he will get seriously hurt in practice or in basho match. I hope he quits for his own good. I spent some time watching his matches in the DB. The one win he has, looks like the other guy was sorry for him and gave him a freebie. I do not think slow and clumsy, or utterly unsuited are the root cause. Nor is it simple lack of motivation. Rather they are the symptoms of something else. I expect that he actively dislikes doing sumo. Why he continues to do so, I must only speculate. But, from past experiences participating in youth sports organizations I expect he is going though the motions due to family pressure. I often see this with fathers trying to relive their glory days though their son's. I hope he gets out of whatever is causing him to stick around. If not, he is going to end up hurting himself or someone else. One can only wish him the best of luck, and hope he gets whatever help he needs. I thought maezumo was there to weed these poor guys out before the got in too deep. Guess I was wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 978 Posted October 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Morningstar said: I often see this with fathers trying to relive their glory days though their son's. I am not sure (and we really don't know) if this is the case for Hattorizakura. All I can go by is his sumo videos in which he looked really bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shumitto 418 Posted October 1, 2016 When I first started watching sumo, my attention was quickly drawn to this guy. I thought no one could be worse, but I am afraid I was wrong. While it is true that Hattorizakura has one (actual) win, it didn't look very convincing. I hope after Hattorizakura retires we don't get to see such rikishi for a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nantonoyama 255 Posted October 1, 2016 Hattorizakura's day 3 bout of this Aki (against Kinjo) gave me some clues about how the sumo works. - If a rikishi touches the ground twice with his hands after the move forward started but before the tachi-ai occured, it is not a defeat - If a rikishi falls on his butt before the tachi-ai, it is not a defeat (what we can see at 0:50 is quite... weird) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
