bettega 433 Posted March 21, 2015 The talk about Gagamuro is obviously a joke. Kaisei clearly will be the next Yokozuna :-D And what an ugly henka from Hakuho (In jonokuchi...) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,898 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". Now with all the power that Mike wields in the world of sumo, I fear that they might call the entire basho off... 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsubame 378 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". Now with all the power that Mike wields in the world of sumo, I fear that they might call the entire basho off... Ah... THAT is why Shohozan didn't bother to win... he already knew it. He knew that the basho will be canceled and doesn't mind to lose. Maybe we are on the beginning of the revelation of the next big thing in the sumo world. After yaocho and gambling scandals now a wide spread conspiracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". i totally agree with him terunofuji is the next ozeki from mongolian grace.... all those "there are no fake bouts" ever asked themselves why those "entertaining" bouts always have the "right" winner......just look at ichinojo-terunofuji on day 14.....any doubts terunofuji will win?....and the mongolians like no others know how to please the audience Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mongolith 51 Posted March 21, 2015 Meh its just one person's opinion so take it with a grain of salt. I am sure there is some yaocho like always (I mean come on how else was KK-MK rotating Goeido ever gonna reach Oz & beat Hak 3x in a row) but it rarely affects who wins the yusho. I typically find mike's reports very informative and if that bout was fake then the Mongolians have yaocho to another level. (Was a very entertaining bout & Looked real to me). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luispereira 383 Posted March 21, 2015 goeido will beat terunofuji, hak wil beat haruma..teru just have to wait for the next bashos (go teru!) and i want to see ichi getting more focus and determination...are times changing? i'm loving it:D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 171 Posted March 21, 2015 Of course every prediction must have the caveat "barring serious injury," but given that, I think Goeido's tenure at the ozeki rank, though not the longest since he was last to arrive, will at least still be running when the other two incumbents have left the rank.Unless you believe that Kise will become yokozuna one of these days, I'd be curious to know why you expect Goeido to outlast him at the ozeki rank. It's not like age is on his side. They're the same age (within 3 months), and I think relying more on size and power, Kisenosato is more likely to wear out first. He is often beaten at the tachi-ai and must use a lot of strength to halt his opponent before moving forward. My hunch is that this will be harder to pull off in a few years. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 171 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". Now with all the power that Mike wields in the world of sumo, I fear that they might call the entire basho off... Clearly, Terunofuji's only talent is for arranging the payoff. Look at that travesty today with Ichinojo! The average sumo bout is 6 seconds, and these guys dance around nearly 4 minutes--obviously scripted. The thing is, the ability to spot these fake matches is rarer than the chances to arrange them, so we will remain voices baying in the wilderness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 171 Posted March 21, 2015 With Tochiozan and Ichinojo moving up to join Terunofuji and Myogiryu, I think next basho we will have the best sanyaku we can get from the current crop of rikishi. Takarafuji and Aoiyama might be able to hold their own, but the fellows making up the rest of the joi should be prepared to take a lickin'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shikona 171 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". i totally agree with him terunofuji is the next ozeki from mongolian grace.... all those "there are no fake bouts" ever asked themselves why those "entertaining" bouts always have the "right" winner......just look at ichinojo-terunofuji on day 14.....any doubts terunofuji will win?....and the mongolians like no others know how to please the audience Since the bouts that are always questioned are the rare Hakuho losses, it is indeed a curious coincidence that every time Hakuho loses, it is his opponent who gets the win. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted March 21, 2015 *Kaisei barely showed up for his bout against Tochiozan. *I watched that Goeidou vs Toyonoshima bout multiple times (thanks Fay!) and the exaggerated manner in which Toyonoshima fell reminded me of the kind of flop seen in basketball or futbol. It literally caused me to laugh out loud. *The Hakuho vs Kisenosato bout was was...interesting. Watched that one multiple times as well and still not sure if I'd call it a henka. Kisenosato did look like a chump, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted March 21, 2015 Doesn't surprise me that the ST crew would question the Hakuho/Terunofuji bout. Its kinda what they do. Hakuho failed to get the left outer and that affected his position, but I did expect more resistant from him as he got ushered over the bales. Looking forward to their next matchup! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,474 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) I think this is the best and most appropriate reaction to today's Hakuho-Kisenosato bout. That's the lady in blue from Kintamayama's video. She had that exact face for like 10 seconds, unchanged. The talk about Gagamuro is obviously a joke. Kaisei clearly will be the next Yokozuna :-D And what an ugly henka from Hakuho (In jonokuchi...) A joke!? Come on, how can you not recognize the next true dai-yokozuna? He'll win at least 20 yusho with ease. (Yusho winner...) Edited March 21, 2015 by dingo 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monnodo 60 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Hakuho shifted like a half centimeter to the side. I wouldn't call it a Henka, Also Kisenosato jumped like he was trying to dive into a pool. It wasn't Ozumo, but for me it was on the same level as Harumfujis Not-Henka. It is on the edge. Personally, I would have prefered a good match, though. Edited March 21, 2015 by Monnodo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,474 Posted March 21, 2015 Harumafuji should've saved one of his non-henkas this basho for Kotoshogiku. Too bad he already used up his quota. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted March 21, 2015 dingo I noticed that woman too! Looked like her mouth was frozen in that position for a bit. Funny stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,474 Posted March 21, 2015 Henka-ho.Kise-no-memory ;-)That was clear payback to the Kyokai as he still holds a grudge over the mono-ii issue and he knew he could use Kise for that. Can't believe Hakuho is that petty. Hakuho shifted like a half centimeter to the side. I wouldn't call it a Henka, Also Kisenosato jumped like he was trying to dive into a pool. It wasn't Ozumo, but for me it was on the same level as Harumfujis Not-Henka. It is on the edge. Personally, I would have prefered a good match, though. If that was a half-centimeter shift, then a true henka would involve a rikishi jumping off the dohyo into the fifth row. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CT3* 331 Posted March 21, 2015 All three Ozeki stand at 8-6. Not very impressive, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masumasumasu 902 Posted March 21, 2015 Henka-ho.Kise-no-memory ;-)That was clear payback to the Kyokai as he still holds a grudge over the mono-ii issue and he knew he could use Kise for that. Hakuho lost that match. Watch the replay. The top of his foot touched the dohyo before Kise went out. Hakuho is a rather ill-mannered Yokozuna who couldn't care less about the quality of his kimarite. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 623 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". ..and the mongolians like no others know how to please the audience That makes it sound like I've been watching WWE instead of Sumo for the past 20+ years. If people really feel this way then I'm not sure why they are still watching. Their is no way that I believe the Hakuho loss to Terunofuji was scripted. The look on Hakuho's face after that loss was priceless. Of course that won't satisfy those that always seem to think a 'fix' has taken place. If they think Hakuho is that good of an actor then they should start handing out oscars in sumo. :-D 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted March 21, 2015 If they think Hakuho is that good of an actor then they should start handing out oscars in sumo. :-D in sumo the oscqar-ranking is called banzuke i know that it is impossible to verify staging (it even was for newspapers until the yaocho-scandal), but again and again and again all results fall into the right spots.....although being convinced that staging is going on at least at top of the banzuke, i still like ozumo..... just to quote a japanese from years ago: "why talk about staging? it is there and always will be. it's part of sumo" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,147 Posted March 21, 2015 Drats! In a completely unexpected turn of events, Mike Wesemann called the Hakuho-Terunofuji bout "fake as a three-dollar bill". i totally agree with him terunofuji is the next ozeki from mongolian grace.... all those "there are no fake bouts" ever asked themselves why those "entertaining" bouts always have the "right" winner......just look at ichinojo-terunofuji on day 14.....any doubts terunofuji will win?....and the mongolians like no others know how to please the audience I don't consider a 4 minute bout where not much of interest happens "pleasing the audience". There are some bouts where rikishi may not give their all, but they aren't necessarily pre-arranged. Kotoshogiku didn't need to be told that he could not possibly beat Goeido last basho; he had practically no reason to try hard, and Goeido did. Does that mean it's fake? Maybe, but that was at the absolute end of the spectrum of matches that everyone knew the outcome of based solely on motivational factors. There was nothing that needed to be arranged; it was all common knowledge. If people were to come out and state firmly beforehand that they know a certain match is going to be faked and end up being right about the outcome absolutely every time, they might be taken more seriously. But it's very easy to say after the fact "Oh, that was fake." It's even worse if you then cite some technical BS that your audience doesn't understand in order to make yourself sound smarter and not have your logic questioned. I have to wonder if Mike has ever actually played any sports at all, let alone combat ones. If rikishi always did what was optimal for them, then by the same logic hitting a baseball would be the easiest thing in the world. It's not because you can't spend 5 seconds analyzing the trajectory to determine where the ball is going to be, and similarly you can't always know at the right moment what the best move to do is on the dohyo. It's very easy to say "he didn't do this obvious thing, therefore fake" when you have no appreciation of reaction times and thoughts that are running through the rikishi's heads. There are a lot of times that rikishi look to give up well before they actually get pushed out, but given Kyokutenho's approach to things, it makes sense when you know you're finished and all that struggling will do is cause you to fall over backwards. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mongolith 51 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) There is will always be yaocho and as long as it does not usually affect the yusho winner then I am fine with it. I can do with the odd promotion of mediocre Oz (Yes I am talking about Goeido) or living legends like Kaio staying a bit too long. If the Elite Mongolians can engineer promotions for their countrymen that is a bigger indictment on the rest of the Banzuke. There is only a handful of them and some like Hara/Fuji can't even face each other. Edited March 21, 2015 by Mongolith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 623 Posted March 21, 2015 If they think Hakuho is that good of an actor then they should start handing out oscars in sumo. :-D just to quote a japanese from years ago: "why talk about staging? it is there and always will be. it's part of sumo" I guess the Mongolians have learned well from their Japanese counterparts then. I was making a broader statement before but I will narrow it down now. If you feel this way then why are you still watching when you know that parts or all of sumo is staged? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
808morgan 814 Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) And Whaa? Edited March 21, 2015 by 808morgan 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
