Bench World Cup 2014

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

Group C Round 3

shimodahito	0	0	Terarno
Germany (E1)	D	D	Brazil (E1)
Argentina	Tue	Tue	Argentina ©
Greece	D	Tue	Belgium
Belgium	Tue	D	Costa Rica ®
Colombia ®	W	W	Colombia
Costa Rica	D	Tue	USA
Switzerland	Tue	Tue	Switzerland

COMMENTS

: La Albiceleste vs Schweizer Nati & Ethniki vs Los Ticos -- hope I got them in the right order! My opponent Terarno has a nearly identical squad with his Yanks and my Ethniki being the only difference. Will he pick GER or BRA as his E1?

: I go for the weak choice of Brazil, abandoning all panache.

Refioji Pregame: shimodahito is having a lot of faith in Greece which probably makes this game the decider.

Refioji MbM: Sat: Colombia won, but shimodahito somewhat missed the chance for his ® team by placing it rather low. Sun: Not much happening as the only match Costa Rica vs. Greece was drawn. Mon: Only one draw today, but in the important slot 1 position, making it equal. We'll have to wait until the end for a decision.

Jejima	0	0	Harumataikai
Germany	D	D	Germany
Argentina (E1)	Tue	W	Netherlands (E1)
France	W	W	Colombia
Colombia	W	Tue	USA
Switzerland	Tue	Tue	Switzerland
Greece ®	D	[/td][td]
Algeria	D	[/td2][td2]

COMMENTS

: I have two more teams than Harumataikai. If I have worked this out correctly, that means that my ® team Greece will be facing an empty slot. I think that is good. We also have similar teams. I think I have the edge in this match, unless USA upsets Belgium (could easily happen), or if Harumataikai's free pick (I am guessing it will be Brazil - but it might be Argentina, like me) gets a win, which I can't match....

: Arrrgh, only 4 (plus 1) teams remaining... How could I avoid a 4th loss in a row? Good luck Jejima!

Refioji Pregame: All four players in my refjoji section selected different extra teams which speaks for the open nature of this World Cup. Haruamataikai is short handed indeed so Jejima is favoured.

Refioji MbM: Sat: Only Colombia in play today, the win gives Harumataikai a slight edge. Sun: The last ditch win for the Netherlands might prove important for Harumataikai. Mon: The France win made life much better for Jejima, but here the decision will be on Tuesday too.

[shimodahito 336]

_{GROUP E/F SWEET PIXTEEN HEPFINAL ROUND (knock out day 3 results)}

_{...or perhaps this is the "everyone loves Uruguay" group as all four have the now bite-less team on their squad}

_{CUP BRACKET}

_{CHIJANOFUJI.....KAIOMITSUKI}

_{ARG..........1........©.GER}

_{FRA..........2.....(E1).BRA}

_{BRA.(E1).....3..........FRA}

_{NED..........4..........NED}

_{URU..........5..........GRE}

_{SUI.®........6..........URU}

_{NGR..........7..........MEX}

_{ALG..........8..........***}

_{SAUCER BRACKET}

_{ACHIYAMA........KINTAMAYAMA}

_{GER.(E1).....1..........BRA}

_{RESULTS: Both teams draw, continue. Achiyama 0 - 0 Kintamayama.}

_{BRA.©........2.....(E1) ARG}

_{FRA..........3..........MEX}

_{COL..........4..........URU}

_{MEX..........5........©.CHI}

_{URU..........6..........ALG}

_{NGR..........7..........GRE}

_{Refyoji/Gyoferi says:}

_{Celebration-of-the-Day goes to Achiyama, who raises a Etienne Dupont Organic Cidre Bouché Brut de Normandie in celebration of his Les Blues win at #3 over Kintamyama's La Verded.}

_{Runner-up goes to Chijanofuji, also for Les Blues, for him at #2 -- a notch higher than Kaiomitsuki's #3 pick. He celebrates with a shot of fine French Cognac.}

Edited July 1, 2014 by shimodahito

[Jejima 1,498]

I just realized that the disciplinary records may be required to tiebreak some results for the MCP - has anybody tracked the various yellow cards?

What I remember...

R1:

Daineko - incorrect lineup

R2:

Leonishiki - incorrect lineup

R3:

chabonowaka - droned

L16:

chabonowaka (2) - droned

kamogawa - droned

shumitto - droned

Am I missing any for the lineup submissions? And were there additional yellow cards for not submitting penalty selections?

Edit: BTW, according to the rules posted in post #66, incorrect lineups are supposed to be red cards, but it has been treated differently (as yellows) when it was actually applied in this thread to the Daineko and Leonishiki cases. Which is it?

I think you have caught them all.

In the cases of Daineko amd Leonishiki's incorrect line-ups, they were both clearly a misunderstanding rather than intentional, so yellow cards are fine.

Edit: Yes more yellow cards should be issued for not submitting quarter-final penalty takers, so additional yellow cards go to chabonowaka and kamogawa.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,498]

JEJIMA -

I've sent you a couple PMs with questions. Would appreciate it to konw if you received them, even if you can't reply to them yet. I'm asking as I think my PM is acting strangely and so am not sure if it's sending/receiving everything.

Yes, I have them! Very sorry for the delay in responding (I owe a few more people responses too). I am now about to go out for lunch (just woken up, after staying up late to watch Nigeria vs France - thankfully the British agreed to return Hong Kong on this date, so today is a public holiday.). I'll try and clear up my backlog when I get back.

[Saruyama 1]

Belated Update for Group F (1 &3) vs Group E (2&4)

Cup Match:

Kotononami vs Furanohana

Kotononami:

1. Argentina ®, 2. Germany (E1), 3. France, 4. Costa Rica ©, 5. Netherlands, 6. Mexico, 7. Greece

vs

Furanohana:

1. France ®, 2. Brazil, 3. Netherlands (E1), 4. Costa-Rica, 5. Chile, 6. Nigeria, 7. xxx

Referee comments: With an Argentina win (in regular time) Kotononami will sweep this (3-0). With a draw or loss (in regular time) he will lose (0-1). Kotononami will surely be watching the Argentina match with baited breath.

Saucer Match:

Leonishiki vs Chabonowaka

Leonishiki: "Quel le meilleur gagne !!! Let's go France !!"
1. Germany (E1), 2. Brazil, 3. Costa Rica, 4. Switzerland, 5. Nigeria®, 6. Chile, 7. xxx

vs

Chabonowaka: (The wind whistles through the trees, crickets chirp. We still have not heard from Chabonowaka. We await anxiously to hear from him.)

1. Netherlands ©, 2. Brazil, 3. Mexico, 4. Uruguay, 5. Switzerland, 6. USA, 7. Costa Rica (E1)

Referee comments: Short of Switzerland shocking Argentina, this one will go into OT mode. Which will require me to go back and re-read just how the heck to do that. So... yay?

I would also like to thank Jejima for doing the legwork on correcting the droning line-up for Chabonowaka, who has unfortunately received his second yellow card.

That is all for now.

Saruyama (THE monkey referee)

(Please let me know if there have been any screw ups on my part)

[Jejima 1,498]

Saucer match:

Daineko: 1. Brazil, 2. Netherlands, 3. Costa Rica, 4. Uruguay ®, 5. USA ©, 6. France (E1), 7. Switzerland

Comment: Suarez is screwing things up for my team.

vs

Pandaazuma: 1. Germany (E1), 2. Argentina, 3. Belgium, 4. Netherlands, 5. Nigeria, 6. Algeria, 7. None

Comments: I am fighting Daineko: my team looks to have the easier matches. My opponent has one more team than me (Germany or Argentina as the extra pick, most likely) and also still has the R and C teams (both underdogs) so I'm just hoping my easier schedule carries me through toward the vaunted saucer. Good luck!

Refioji: Germany's draw in normal time, gives Daineko a glimmer of a hope. He now just needs a loss by Argentina in 90 mins or a draw by Argentina and a loss by Belgium to claim a win in 90 mins. But I am thinking Pandaazuma is looking good to claim a win here. If it goes to extra time.... (No, too complicated!)

Cup match

Saruyama: 1. Brazil, 2. Germany (E1), 3. Belgium, 4. Netherlands, 5. Greece ©, 6. Mexico

vs

Maguroyama

1. Argentina, 2. Netherlands (E1), 3. Belgium, 4. USA, 5. Chile, 6. None

Comment: Only three favorites, I’m sure my esteemed opponent Saruyama has at least that, probably 4 or 5. So maybe it will be up to some surprise that I might win. Going to try for sure!

Refioji: Saruyama's squad has now completed all of their matches. If Argentina wins in 90 mins, Maguroyama is the winner. It depends on the USA match with Belgium if it is going to go to extra time.....

If Argentina wins or draws in 90 mins, it gets even more complicated, due to a potential goal for Saruyama's Greece © team.....

So the USA vs Belgium match will be very important!

Nothing decided in either match - but I think Daineko and Saruyama will both be Swiss fans tonight.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,498]

Hi all,

After the round of 16 matches, we will say goodbye to 8 players (the losers of the Saucer matches - the loser of the Cup matches will be playing for the ?coveted? Bench World Bowl!)

This means that we will have only 12 match-ups in the quarter-finals. I will be stepping back from refioji duties, which means that we will have 7 refiojis for 12 games, so a couple of refiojis will have just one match each to look after.

I am going to split the matches like this in order of 'prestige'....

1. 2 refiojis will get 1 cup QF and 1 saucer QF

2. 2 refiojis will get 1 cup QF

3. 1 refioji will get 2 Bowl QF

4. 2 refiojis will get 1 Bowl QF and 1 saucer QF

To make it fair, we will use the die roller again...

So, as there are 7 refioji (and 6 sides on a die), we will split them into 'Big' (4,5,6) and 'little' (1,2,3), with the Big rollers getting the more prestigious matches....

Let's go...

Achiyama... 6 (big)

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Nekonishiki... 3 (little)

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Doitsuyama... 4 (big)

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shimodahito...5 (big)

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Saruyama...1 (little)

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Pandaazuma...2 (little)

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Jakusotsu...5 (big)

So, Nekonishiki, Saruyama and Pandaazuma will be looking after the Bowl and below matches.

One of them will get two Bowl matches, the other two will get one Bowl and one Saucer match.

Which one will get the two Bowl matches? Let's roll the die... Nekonishiki = 1 or 2, Saruyama = 3 or 4, Pandaazuma = 5 or 6...

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It's a.....

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6!

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Pandaazuma will get two Bowl matches to refioji, whereas Nekonishiki and Saruyama will get one Bowl and one Saucer match each.

Okay, how about the marquee matches? Two refiojis will get both a Cup match and a Saucer match. The other two will just get one match (a Cup match) to look after.

We will split them again, big numbers (4,5,6) will give them priority for getting two matches, little numbers (1,2,3) will mean they are likely to get just the one Cup match...

Achiyama.....4 (big)

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Doitsuyama....4 (big) - (is the die rolling correctly?)

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shimodahito....3 (little) - (yes, it's working)

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Jakuostus....3 (little) - (it's stuck again!)

Well, that makes things easy. Achiyama and Doitsuyama will both get one cup match and one Saucer match. Jakusotsu and shimodahito can take it a little easy, as they will have just one match apiece to take care of - but important Cup matches.

[Jejima 1,498]

I have just checked the World Cup schedule, and we have a break for a couple of days after today's matches :-)

So, I will post admin stuff (including your quarter-final refiojis) tomorrow.

[Achiyama 1,272]

Group "1", Round of 16 - update after day 3 (6 matches):

Cup match:

Andonishiki vs. ScreechingOwl

Andonishiki:

1. Argentina (E1)
2. France
3. Netherlands
4. Brazil
5. Nigeria
6. Mexico ®
7. Algerie

vs.

ScreechingOwl

1. Germany (E1)
2. Brasil
3. Belgium ©
4. Greece
5. Switzerland
6. Chile

Saucer match:

Fujiyama vs. Fujiko

Fujiyama

1 Argentina (E1)
2 Brazil
3 Holland
4 France ©
5 Nigeria
6 Switzerland

vs.

Fujiko

1. Brazil

2. Argentina (E1)

3. France

4. Greece

5. Mexico

6. Chile ®

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

Final results - Round of 16

Cup match:

shumitto (Y) 0:1 Domichi
(Belgium) (USA)

Belgium ® D x:0 D Germany (E1)
Brazil D x:1 W Colombia
Switzerland D x:0 D Brazil
Netherlands W x:x D USA ®
Nigeria L x:x D Belgium
Mexico L x:x L Uruguay ©
Costa Rica(E1) D x:x L Mexico

As usual for (droning) shumitto, it was all about his ® team. Belgium couldn't score a goal and broke his chain immediately. On the other side, Colombia spared us from going into extra-time and gave the 1-0 win to Domichi, who will continue fighting for the Cup.


Saucer match:

Doitsuyama 0:0 Pitinosato
(Algeria) (Germany)

Argentina (E1) D 0:x D Germany ®
Greece D 0:x W Colombia
Mexico L x:x D Argentina (E1)
Chile D :x D Greece
Algeria ® D :x D Switzerland
L :x L Uruguay

Being his ® team, Germany's draw appears to be fatal for Pitinosato in slot 1, but Doitsuyama fails to score a goal before his own chain breaks in match 3.

We will now go into extra-time: The game starts fresh from slot 4 with results after 120 minutes:


Doitsuyama 0:2(3?) Pitinosato
(Algeria) (Germany)

Chile D 0:0 D Greece
Algeria ® L x:0 L Switzerland
L x:0 L Uruguay
Argentina (E1) W x:1 W Germany ®
Greece D x:? W Colombia
Mexico L x:1 W Argentina (E1)

Now it's Doitsuyama's ® team who lets him down, and Pitinosato's Germany, which first looked like the nail in his coffin, scores a goal! Argentina does, too, but I'm not sure about Colombia. To quote the rules:

"However, all real matches that were decided in 90 minutes are now removed (so only the matches that had previously counted as 'draws', but which may now have a result after the 120 minutes, are now counted for this second run through)."

Colombia didn't count in the first run because Pitinosato's chain was broken, but does it now? That's for the Rijicho to decide. Either way, Pitinosato wins a most exciting match which started pretty awful for him.

[kuroimori 1,634]

Belgium vs. USA - what a thrilling match! Instant classic!

[Asashosakari 20,273]

Colombia didn't count in the first run because Pitinosato's chain was broken, but does it now?

It did count, it just didn't score a goal...

On the other hand, looking at my spreadsheet I'm also confused now because the very first simmed matchup (Andonishiki-Achiyama) has this slot in it:

(after 90 mins)

France W 1-0 D Brazil ©

That slot makes a reappearance in extra time and now it's

(after 120 mins)

France W ?-? D Brazil ©

My spreadsheet currently scores that as a 0-1, i.e. goal for Brazil, because it ignores the 90-minute France result as directed* and thus Brazil's © status is enough to score a goal with the draw. That seems kind of weird, and I can't figure out if I automated it wrong four years ago or if it's working as intended.

* Puzzling my formulas apart, I see they treat any unchanged result as a "normal-team draw", regardless of the actual team status and original result. That seems oddly specific as an implementation, so I'm inclined to think I did that based on something Jejima decided at the last World Cup. But I'm not sure.

[Jejima 1,498]

Colombia didn't count in the first run because Pitinosato's chain was broken, but does it now?

It did count, it just didn't score a goal...

On the other hand, looking at my spreadsheet I'm also confused now because the very first simmed matchup (Andonishiki-Achiyama) has this slot in it:

(after 90 mins)

France W 1-0 D Brazil ©

That slot makes a reappearance in extra time and now it's

(after 120 mins)

France W ?-? D Brazil ©

My spreadsheet currently scores that as a 0-1, i.e. goal for Brazil, because it ignores the 90-minute France result as directed* and thus Brazil's © status is enough to score a goal with the draw. That seems kind of weird, and I can't figure out if I automated it wrong four years ago or if it's working as intended.

* Puzzling my formulas apart, I see they treat any unchanged result as a "normal-team draw", regardless of the actual team status and original result. That seems oddly specific as an implementation, so I'm inclined to think I did that based on something Jejima decided at the last World Cup. But I'm not sure.

Very tired (I got up at 4 am for the exciting USA vs Belgium match), and am now rushing to get ready for work.

Asashosakari is correct about the match that Jakusotsu was in charge of, so 2-0 to Pitinosato in extra time.

Regarding the other point, my brain is too tired to think about it.

I'll be 'thinking' again at lunchtime, in about 5 hours time...

[shumitto 419]

As usual for (droning) shumitto, it was all about his ® team. Belgium couldn't score a goal and broke his chain immediately. On the other side, Colombia spared us from going into extra-time and gave the 1-0 win to Domichi, who will continue fighting for the Cup.

I forgot (actually, I didnt even know) I had to rearrange my squad ahead of the round of 16. I would never have had Belgium as my pick number 1 this time. Pity. Better luck next time. And better luck to Switzerland next time, too. :(

[Asashosakari 20,273]

After looking through some more "results", I'm starting to remember why it was (probably) decided to score unchanged teams as a normal-team-draw.

Example:

(after 90 mins)

Argentina D 0-2 W France ®

(after 120 mins)

Argentina W ?-? W France ®

Let's pretend both real-life matches had been decided in regulation time; then it would have been scored as:

Argentina W 0-1 W France ®

Clearly the "combined" scoring should match this hypothetical in-one-go scoring, so France ® should should always score one more goal than Argentina. That means something like this:

(after 90 mins)

Argentina D 0-2 W France ®

(after 120 mins)

Argentina W 1-0 D France [normal, not ®]

Total for that slot now: 1-2, equivalent to the standard 0-1 scoring. The France player scores 2 goals in regulation and can win the BWC match there, but if he doesn't, the Argentina player can get 1 goal back through Argentina's extra-time success.

That was probably the reasoning back in 2010.

© teams make this a bit weird, though, because they can also score on draws (and thus don't require an extra-time results change in the real-life match). Can't remember if we just decided to ignore that special case as a quirk of the system. Probably. :-)

Edited July 2, 2014 by Asashosakari

[shimodahito 336]

CUP BRACKET

CHIJANOFUJI.....KAIOMITSUKI

ARG..........1........©.GER

RESULTS: Chijanofuji pick draws, continues. Kaiomitsuki’s © pick draws, scores. Chijanofuji 0 - 1 Kaiomitsuki.

FRA..........2.....(E1).BRA

RESULTS: Chijanofuji’s pick wins, scores. Kaiomitsuki’s pick draws, continues. Chijanofuji 1 - 1 Kaiomitsuki.

BRA.(E1).....3..........FRA

RESULTS: Chijanofuji’s pick draws, continues. Kaiomitsuki’s pick wins, scores. Chijanofuji 1 - 2 Kaiomitsuki.

NED..........4..........NED

RESULTS: Both teams win, continue. Chijanofuji 1 - 2 Kaiomitsuki.

URU..........5..........GRE

RESULTS: Chijanofuji’s pick loses, chain broken. Kaiomitsuki’s pick draws, continues. Chijanofuji 1 - 2 Kaiomitsuki.

SUI.®........6..........URU

RESULTS: Chijanofuji’s pick draws. Kaiomitsuki’s pick loses, chain broken. Chijanofuji 1 - 2 Kaiomitsuki. GAME OVER.

NGR..........7..........MEX

RESULTS: GAME OVER at pick #6.

ALG..........8..........***

RESULTS: GAME OVER at pick #6.

SAUCER BRACKET

ACHIYAMA........KINTAMAYAMA

GER.(E1).....1..........BRA

RESULTS: Both teams draw, continue. Achiyama 0 - 0 Kintamayama.

BRA.©........2.....(E1) ARG

RESULTS: Achiyama’s © pick draws, scores. Kintamayama’s pick draws, continues. Achiyama 1 - 0 Kintamayama.

FRA..........3..........MEX

RESULTS: Achiyama’s pick wins, scores. Kintamayama’s pick loses, chain broken. Achiyama 2 - 0 Kintamayama.

COL..........4..........URU

RESULTS: Achiyama’s pick wins, scores. Kintamayama’s pick loses. Achiyama 3 - 0 Kintamayama.

MEX..........5........©.CHI

RESULTS: Achiyama’s pick loses, chain broken. Kintamayama’s pick draws.. GAME OVER.

URU..........6..........ALG

RESULTS: GAME OVER.

NGR..........7..........GRE

RESULTS: GAME OVER.

Refyoji/Gyoferi says:

If the scoring is correct, no extra time was needed.

CUP MATCH: Chijanofuji 1 - 2 Kaiomitsuki

SAUCER MATCH: Achiyama 3 - 0 Kintamayama

Edited July 2, 2014 by shimodahito

[Jejima 1,498]

Saucer match:

Daineko: 1. Brazil, 2. Netherlands, 3. Costa Rica, 4. Uruguay ®, 5. USA ©, 6. France (E1), 7. Switzerland

Comment: Suarez is screwing things up for my team.

vs

Pandaazuma: 1. Germany (E1), 2. Argentina, 3. Belgium, 4. Netherlands, 5. Nigeria, 6. Algeria, 7. None

Comments: I am fighting Daineko: my team looks to have the easier matches. My opponent has one more team than me (Germany or Argentina as the extra pick, most likely) and also still has the R and C teams (both underdogs) so I'm just hoping my easier schedule carries me through toward the vaunted saucer. Good luck!

Refioji: After 90 minutes, the match is tied 1-1. Thanks to goals from the Netherlands for both sides. Extra time starts from slot 6, with a goal for Daineko. But Pandaazuma then finds form, and scores 3 goals with Germany, Argentina and Belgium, to win the match 4-2. What a thriller! Daineko is now out of the competition, but Pandaazuma lives to fight another day. And Algeria's loss in extra time means that Pandaazuma's chain is immediately broken.

So Daineko wins 2-1 in extra time!

Cup match

Saruyama: 1. Brazil, 2. Germany (E1), 3. Belgium, 4. Netherlands, 5. Greece ©, 6. Mexico

vs

Maguroyama

1. Argentina, 2. Netherlands (E1), 3. Belgium, 4. USA, 5. Chile, 6. None

Comment: Only three favorites, I’m sure my esteemed opponent Saruyama has at least that, probably 4 or 5. So maybe it will be up to some surprise that I might win. Going to try for sure!

Refioji: Maguroyama takes the lead with a goal from the Netherlands. Saruyama counters, also with a goal from the Netherlands. Then, what's this? Greece © drew for Saruyama, so he claims a second goal, and wins the match 2-1 in normal time.

Saruyama is still in the Cup competition. Maguroyama will now be fighting for the Bench Bowl.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,498]

Colombia didn't count in the first run because Pitinosato's chain was broken, but does it now?

It did count, it just didn't score a goal...

On the other hand, looking at my spreadsheet I'm also confused now because the very first simmed matchup (Andonishiki-Achiyama) has this slot in it:

(after 90 mins)

France W 1-0 D Brazil ©

That slot makes a reappearance in extra time and now it's

(after 120 mins)

France W ?-? D Brazil ©

My spreadsheet currently scores that as a 0-1, i.e. goal for Brazil, because it ignores the 90-minute France result as directed* and thus Brazil's © status is enough to score a goal with the draw. That seems kind of weird, and I can't figure out if I automated it wrong four years ago or if it's working as intended.

* Puzzling my formulas apart, I see they treat any unchanged result as a "normal-team draw", regardless of the actual team status and original result. That seems oddly specific as an implementation, so I'm inclined to think I did that based on something Jejima decided at the last World Cup. But I'm not sure.

Very tired (I got up at 4 am for the exciting USA vs Belgium match), and am now rushing to get ready for work.

Asashosakari is correct about the match that Jakusotsu was in charge of, so 2-0 to Pitinosato in extra time.

Regarding the other point, my brain is too tired to think about it.

I'll be 'thinking' again at lunchtime, in about 5 hours time...

I've had a look at this again. Yes, France's results are now ignored for the second time through, as they won in normal time. Yes, Brazil © counts as a draw (and therefore a goal), as they were drawing at the end of extra time. The 'treat all results as a normal draw' is not correct. Those teams (whose results have already been used, and have finished their matches in 90 minutes) should be removed entirely from consideration.

Edit: I really am very sleepy at present! Will probably have a power nap (and hopefully more results will be in) before announcing the next round of matches, and the respective refiojis.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Jejima

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Jezz: I have a question about the extra time. I understand it basically, but - for instance - using my match against Daineko, why do I score a goal with Argentina when his corresponding slot-2 team also won? Of course I should score with Germany and Belgium as the corresponding teams for Daineko only drew after 120 minutes.

You said that teams whose games are over after 90 minutes are discounted entirely...I understand that...but why does that mean I score a goal with Argentina if the corresponding Daineko team no longer exists?

Sorry if this is a stupid question! :(

[Jejima 1,498]

Jezz: I have a question about the extra time. I understand it basically, but - for instance - using my match against Daineko, why do I score a goal with Argentina when his corresponding slot-2 team also won? Of course I should score with Germany and Belgium as the corresponding teams for Daineko only drew after 120 minutes.

You said that teams whose games are over after 90 minutes are discounted entirely...I understand that...but why does that mean I score a goal with Argentina if the corresponding Daineko team no longer exists?

Sorry if this is a stupid question! :(

The Netherlands match was finished after 90 mins, so is removed from extra time consideration. Argentina drew in normal time, but then won in extra time, so Argentina's extra time counts as a goal.

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Second Round Final Scores

Kuroimori vs Rubensan

Kuroimori:

1. Germany (E1)

2. Brazil

3. Colombia

4. Costa Rica

5. Nigeria ©

6. Mexico

Rubensan:

1. Netherlands

2. Argentina (E1)

3. Brazil

4. Nigeria

5. Switzerland

6. (None)

Kuroimori got his wish as Argentina were held over 90 minutes by Switzerland, making this match a 1-1 draw after 90 minutes. And so we go into extra time. Kuroimori's chain was broken at the 5-slot with Nigeria's loss so we begin extra time at slot 6. [Please note: I may be wrong here as I am basing this on my understanding of Jejima's description of extra time in my own match...can Jejima please check if I have done this correctly?]

6: 1-1 (no goals here)

We go back to the beginning:

1: 2-1 (Germany scores because Netherlands is discounted as a 90-minute result)

2. 2-2 (Rubensan pulls one back with Argentina)

3. 2-2 (Colombia discounted, Brazil still a draw)

4. 2-2 (Costa Rica still a draw, Nigeria discounted)

5. 2-2 (Nigeria discounted, Switzerland lost)

So I think this ends as a 2-2 draw and will go to penalties (Jezz will therefore announce the result)...but I KNOW I've screwed this up. Can someone double check this?

Saucer match

Kamogawa vs Nekonishiki

Kamogawa:

1. Brazil

2. Colombia ©

3. USA

4. Costa Rica

5. Algeria (E1)

Nekonishiki:

1. Netherlands
2. Argentina (E1)
3. Nigeria
4. Mexico ©

5. (None)

Aaaarghhh!!! Thanks to Argentina's draw, this one also finishes 1-1 and goes to extra time. Droning Kamogawa's chain was not broken so we begin extra time in the first slot:

1. 1-1 (Brazil draw, Netherlands discounted)

2. 1-2 (Colombia discounted, Argentina won in extra time)

3. 1-2 (USA lost, Nigeria discounted)

4. 1-2 (Costa Rica draw, Mexico discounted)

5. 1-2 (Algeria lost)

So this match goes to Nekonishiki as a 2-1 win in extra time.

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

The Netherlands match was finished after 90 mins, so is removed from extra time consideration. Argentina drew in normal time, but then won in extra time, so Argentina's extra time counts as a goal.

What exactly does "removed from extra time consideration" mean? It's very confusing.

[Asashosakari 20,273]

Saucer match:

Daineko: 1. Brazil, 2. Netherlands, 3. Costa Rica, 4. Uruguay ®, 5. USA ©, 6. France (E1), 7. Switzerland

vs

Pandaazuma: 1. Germany (E1), 2. Argentina, 3. Belgium, 4. Netherlands, 5. Nigeria, 6. Algeria, 7. None

Refioji: After 90 minutes, the match is tied 1-1. Thanks to goals from the Netherlands for both sides. Extra time starts from slot 6, with a goal for Daineko. But Pandaazuma then finds form, and scores 3 goals with Germany, Argentina and Belgium, to win the match 4-2. What a thriller! Daineko is now out of the competition, but Pandaazuma lives to fight another day.

I have this as a 2-1 after extra time for Daineko... BWC extra time starts at slot 6 with the results as they are after 120 minutes if applicable, no? That means:

Daineko: 6. France (E1), 7. Switzerland Switzerland

vs

Pandaazuma: 6. Algeria Algeria, 7. None

with a goal for Daineko and immediate break for Pandaazuma on slot 6.

Relevant rule excerpt:

Extra time starts with the next slot after the place where the second team to have their chain broken, was broken. (I.e. Player A's chain broke on the 2nd slot. Player B's chain broke on the 5th slot. Extra time for both players starts from the 6th slot.) From that point onwards, all matches are considered after the 120 mins result (or 90 mins if it did not go that far).

Edited July 2, 2014 by Asashosakari

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

I was wondering the same thing, Asasho...I just assumed that chains dont break in extra time. I did my refiojing on that basis because Jezz did.

[Asashosakari 20,273]

I was wondering the same thing, Asasho...I just assumed that chains dont break in extra time. I did my refiojing on that basis because Jezz did.

Nope, chain breaks are supposed to work just as they do in normal time.

(Actually, even if the original Algeria and Switzerland results were used as opposed to the 120-minute results, your restarted chain would break on slot 7 because it's a loss by default versus the Switzerland draw.)