Some more details on Asashouryuu's problems

[Kintamayama 47,171]

Tomorrow is "Dohyo-iri Tsuna-making day", so there will be no Keiko. On Monday, it's Souken day. This means Asashouryuu will go out and practice before the YDC's watchful eyes without doing any keiko for 7 days, and possibly after some healthy feasting back home on New Year's.

Just so everyone knows..

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Tomorrow is "Dohyo-iri Tsuna-making day", so there will be no Keiko. On Monday, it's Souken day. This means Asashouryuu will go out and practice before the YDC's watchful eyes without doing any keiko for 7 days, and possibly after some healthy feasting back home on New Year's.

Just so everyone knows..

Well this "no keiko" doesn't have to mean a rikishi sits on a couch and chews a bull burping for more beer. I am sure he has done some training in Mongolia too as he does weights and other kind of stuff too in addition to dohyo keiko. Same goes for many other rikishi. And if he has rested more than usually now, he could be in really good shape during Soken. Innervation should be good and mind + body hungry for sumo. That is the way things often go in sports. If you do keiko for 2 weeks and then take a week break (without becoming a couch potato) with only light keiko and streching, the week can tune up your muscles and the true capacity explodes. Then again it sounds strange that he would be absent from keiko now when he should get himself all pumped up and then only at last 2 days and during basho tone the intensity down to lure out the outcome of keiko in form of speed, strength and sharpness.

[Cavewoman 0]

(Whistling...) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

:-) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

Eh... This was a bit uncalled for, wasn't it? (Whistling...)

[Kintamayama 47,171]

(Whistling...) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

Oh, and here I was, thinking he was..how silly of me..

BTW, this is getting bigger and bigger by the hour-papers are now saying maybe Shoryuu is eyeing Akebono's way..

[Kintamayama 47,171]

:-) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

Eh... This was a bit uncalled for, wasn't it? (Whistling...)

Oh, I truly deserve it for always badmouthing Asashouryuu.

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

:-) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

Eh... This was a bit uncalled for, wasn't it? (Whistling...)

Oh, I truly deserve it for always badmouthing Asashouryuu.

Oh. Didn't think about that. Silly me. :-S

[Asashosakari 20,218]

I don't think Asashoryu is a robot, but some of his more defensive fans just might be. (Whistling...)

[Fujisan 533]

We will see right guys?

If Asa does really badly in the coming basho,then the anti Asashoryu brigade can do their gloating but only if the pro Asashoryu brigade can gloat when he wins the Yusho,which he will.

Im gonna lead the cheering,whos with me?

[Yubiquitoyama 4]

We will see right guys?

If Asa does really badly in the coming basho,then the anti Asashoryu brigade can do their gloating but only if the pro Asashoryu brigade can gloat when he wins the Yusho,which he will.

Im gonna lead the cheering,whos with me?

I don't really see why there has to be gloating either way. Why not simply be happy and cheering (but not gloating) when a favorite wins and neutral when someone else wins? (Whistling...)

Edited January 3, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama

[Zentoryu 154]

Tochiazuma's Yokozuna promotion push...

Asashoryu's soap opera-like problems...

Yup, should be a fun basho. (Whistling...)

[Mark Buckton 1]

Asashoryu has his problems but he has his problems at the top. Where would we all prefer problems? :-)

Only real competition in future will come from either Azuma or Taikai who have had the 'don't rock the boat training' since birth asnd won't be as visible as Asa's foreignness makes him. Or, if they are, they will be forgiven far easier for indiscretions. That's life.

Kaio / Muso - thanks for the memories lads but... (Whistling...) still here?

Also, think Kinta-san said Asa was in Mongolia and didn't get bacjk in time for the wake / funeral. J media had it that he left that day. Trivia - he wans't there.

ANR

[Hashira 0]

(Whistling...) Asashoryu is a human being and not a Sumo-Robot. But people like Kintamayama will probably never understand that.

Oh, and here I was, thinking he was..how silly of me..

BTW, this is getting bigger and bigger by the hour-papers are now saying maybe Shoryuu is eyeing Akebono's way..

Well, i severely doubt that is true. But i'm sure he would be a heck of a lot better at it than akebono

[Zentoryu 154]

Tomorrow is "Dohyo-iri Tsuna-making day",

They're saying on the SML and in the online papers that Asashoryu has now missed this as well. Something's going on here... :-)

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

Why we we particularly care how rikishi do in these informal demo training sessions? I don't think they have any impact on the basho, which matters far more :-)

[Zentoryu 154]

Why we we particularly care how rikishi do in these informal demo training sessions? I don't think they have any impact on the basho, which matters far more :-)

Well the fact that Shoryu has been missing a lot of events, some of them important like the funeral, makes you wonder if there is indeed something wrong with him.

[Yoavoshimaru 0]

Sure, it makes you wonder, but then the basho start and all you care about is his first day opponent, past record between them, etc. If after five days he's 5-0 or 4-1, who's going to care about a missed funeral? :-( If, on the other hand, he's 1-4, are you going to blame it on a missed funeral? :-) (Just playing a bit of devil's advocate, nothing personal of course).

(Spelling edit)

Edited January 4, 2004 by Yoavoshimaru

[Kintamayama 47,171]

Why we we particularly care how rikishi do in these informal demo training sessions?  I don't think they have any impact on the basho, which matters far more  :-)

[stating the obvious]Every person has his own interests. Some of us couldn't care less about toshiyori kabus, some of couldn't care less about kimarites, like me. and some don't give a hoot about keiko. Now, if we only published stuff that ALL of us would be interested in, there wouldn't be one single post on this forum. [/stating the obvious[

So, whoever doesn't care about keiko news is exempt from reading on.

Asa is indeed missing some very important stuff, including his own Dohyo-iri tsuna making, that was today. Tomorrow is the soken. Now, if he were to miss that as well, I fear things will start getting very sticky.

Oyakata is getting very angry and is threatening sanctions.

OTOH, there is a rumor that his mother is seriously ill.

I think..well, forget it. I'm not allowed to think here by some, so I'll stick to eating.

Edited January 4, 2004 by Kintamayama

[Zentoryu 154]

Sure, it makes you wonder, but then the basho start and all you care about is his first day opponent, past record between them, etc.

Edited January 4, 2004 by Zentoryu

[Manekineko 200]

If his mother is seriously ill, that could well destroy his concentration necessary for the basho. I hope she's not on-her-deathbed seriously ill... :-)

[Zenjimoto 40]

Lynn Matsuoka writes on the SML:

>Asashoryu absent again (and now even for the tsuna-uchi)

That is like missing your own wedding, or funeral, as may be more

appropriate here...

What  does he plan to wear for the Dohyo Iri if he did not make the Tsuna???

IN the 31 years I have been in sumo, I have NEVER known a Yokozuna to miss

this.

OK... now I am worried. :-)

Fears,

Zenjimoto

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Why we we particularly care how rikishi do in these informal demo training sessions? I don't think they have any impact on the basho, which matters far more 

Well many people don't care. There are thousands of ice hockey fans who don't care about anything else than a goal. They don't necessarily even know the rules of hockey. Yet they enjoy. Sure people can enjoy sumo without caring about traning news or anything else except who is the winner in a bout X. And many people claim they don't understand sumo at all really. They just like it.

Training news is just foreplay. That builds up the road to honbasho climax. You can have good training news and bad training news. Bad training news like "Ozeki X suffered a severe muscle tear in keiko and new sekiwake H has a bad flu and gout and can't do keiko" or "Komusubi Z looked feeble and went 3-11 against Tochinonada and rikishi G" can affect the expectation moods negatively. Then good training news can add the pleasure of honbasho wait as you can enjoy the road too. "Shin-makuuchi F had 17 training bouts against Wakanosato winning 8!", "Spirited bouts during Soken. All ozeki looked good" etc. Sure it is possible that after foreplay training news the act itself is bad and kyujo pile up, ozeki candidates go Wakanosato and someone throws a banana at yokozuna's eye and causes a mild eye injury.

For freaks training news can give subtle information on many factors. Training partners of rikishi, ichimon-keiko gatherings, bout amount, moshi-ai vs sanban-keiko ratio, possible new training methods, rehabilitation techniques, soken etc. all make a soup which is as tasty as good honest chicken soup. Sumo reporter should do keiko reports with details, general impression with details and analysis of the significance of keiko and affect based own visual evidence! "Tochiazuma looked good" doesn't tell shit.

"I don't think they have any impact on the basho" comment is a bit like the insightful "shoot already!!!!" shouts from audience in a ballgame.

OTOH, there is a rumor that his mother is seriously ill.

Even so, he would still be dumping his responsebilities as yokozuna giving an impression once again that Kyokai, yokozunahood etc. is just a triviality to him and can be pushed aside when needed. Nobody is really blaming him for going to Mongolia without approval if he went because of his mother being seriously ill but if he indeed is now back in Tokyo and still decides that I think those tsuna-making ceremonies can wait because I have a crisis, then starts to go under the category of arrogance and missoverunderestimating the role as yokozuna.

[Naganoyama 6,024]

According to the texts, a rikishi is not entitled to be absent from a bout (basho itself, not keiko) even if his mother dies.

Wasn't there that occasion when Chiyonofuji came out and fought even though his little boy had died (kitchen accident if I remember rightly?)

Asa should probably have turned up even if his thoughts were elsewhere. These foreigners don't know how to behave.

[Kotoseiya Yuichi 3]

Wasn't there that occasion when Chiyonofuji came out and fought even though his little boy had died (kitchen accident if I remember rightly?)

His third daughter Ai, not son in August or September (?) 1989. It was reported that the girl died of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). You're probably thinking about the accident already in 50's when Wakanohana I's son (Taka's & Waka's cousin) died in a kitchen accident. Boy apparently poured boiling chanko all over himself. ;-)

[Naganoyama 6,024]

Yes, I mixed those two up. Both tragic.