May 2006 Banzuke

[Kintamayama 47,222]

First trickle:

Ozeki;

Tochiazuma Kotooushuu

Chiyotaikai KaioU

--------- Hakuhou

Kotomitsuki Miyabiyama

Ama and Tenho Komusubi.

Kisenosato- East M1

Baruto and Houmashou are in, but no ranks given.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Asashouryuu

Tochiazuma Ozeki Kotooushuu

Chiyotaikai Ozeki KaioU

------- Ozeki Hakuhou

Kotomitsuki Sekiwake Miyabiyama

Kyokutenho Komusubi Ama

Kisenosato- M1 Kakizoe

Asasekiryuu M2 Wakanosato

Kotoshougiku M3 Aminishiki

Tokitenkuu M4 Takekaze

Kyokushuuzan M5 Rohou

Tamanoshima M6 Kokkai

Futenou M7 Dejima

Kasugaou M8 Hakurozan

Iwakiyama M9 Tochinonada

Tamakasuga M10 Tochinohana

Houmashou M11 Baruto

Takamisakari M12 Tosanoumi

Toyonoshima M13 Hokutouriki

Katayama M14 Yoshikaze

Buyuuzan M15 Kitazakura

Tokitsuumi M16 Juumonji

Edited April 23, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,222]

Juryo:

Moukonami J1 Daimanazuru

Kasuganishiki J2 Kyokunankai

Asoofuji J3 Toyozakura

Satoyama J4 Shimotori

Outsukasa J5 Ryuuhou

Ushiomaru J6 Dairaidou

Kaihou J7 Tochisakae

Takanowaka J8 Kakuryuu

Shunketsu J9 Koubo

Wakatoba J10 Hokutoiwa

Tamarikidou J11 Houchiyama

Dewaootori J12 Senshuuyama

Ouga J13 Sumanofuji

Masatsukasa J14 Harunoyama

Edited April 23, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 20,243]

Makushita-joi:

Kambayashi	Ms1  Ryuo
Daishodai	 Ms2  Hakuba
Kirinowaka	Ms3  Kageyama
Kotoyutaka	Ms4  Takamifuji
Kitataiki	 Ms5  Toki
Tamaasuka	 Ms6  Isobe
Fukuzono	  Ms7  Kimurayama
Daishoma	  Ms8  Takanotsuru
Koryu		 Ms9  Sawai
Sugita		Ms10 Yoshiazuma
Surugatsukasa Ms11 Raiko
Toyonokuni	Ms12 Wakanoho
Kinkaiyama	Ms13 Ryugi
Takakoyama	Ms14 Hokutojo
Kaido		 Ms15 Furuichi

[Asashosakari 20,243]

My GTB score through M10: 52/60

My GTB score for M11-M16: 2/24

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[Kishinoyama 625]

My GTB score through M10: 52/60

My GTB score for M11-M16: 2/24

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I guess this means that you did not win? (Whistling...)

[Senpai 0]

There would have been 60 points for me in GTB if I would have participated. No luck for me.

But I can be at least happy that I guessed right that Homasho and Baruto are M11 E and W. That means that the system I used for calculating banzuke is working .. only places where there was a chance that it can go either way, were little bit off sometimes .. mostly at the bottom were mathematical calculations showed somewhat same result for lot of rikishis.

Edited April 24, 2006 by Senpai

[Asashosakari 20,243]

There would have been 60 points for me in GTB if I would have participated. No luck for me.

But I can be at least happy that I guessed right that Homasho and Baruto are M11 E and W. That means that the system I used for calculating banzuke is working .. only places where there was a chance that it can go either way, were little bit off sometimes .. mostly at the bottom were mathematical calculations showed somewhat same result for lot of rikishis.

Don't be too sure that any mathematical formulas will work long-term, the Kyokai has a habit of doing things quite differently from basho to basho, especially at the bottom of the division.

I'm still flabbergasted that Tosanoumi and Katayama were placed ahead of Yoshikaze and Buyuzan. I honestly don't recall the last time that a kachi-koshi Maegashira was overtaken by such a mediocre Juryo result...

[Shimpu 0]

I have to say that I'm very pleased with Natsu Banzuke (Whistling...) Especially I'm waiting for first week. Kisenosato and Kotoshogiku - probably they are not ready for komusubi slot at the moment but it will be great lesson for them both. This is very difficult task but I hope they both get KK. Last time when I was in the mood Futeno went 6-9 so I hope I will not jinx them. (Showing respect...)

[Tsukinowa 0]

Kaimei
Banzuke New Shikona Old Shikona  Heya
--------------------------------------------
Ms38W  Sotairyu	 Takahashi	Tokitsukaze
Jd1W   Tochikasuga  Akioka	   Kasugano
Jd2E   Hokutozakura Okamoto	  Hakkaku
Jd3E   Isetsukasa   Nakamuragawa Irumagawa
Jd8W   Kotootori	Kotoyashiro  Sadogatake
Jd81W  Wakanoryu	Kawai		Hanakago
Jd101W Wakahikari   Yokota	   Hanakago
Jd120E Owaka		Nakamoto	 Hanakago
Jd121E Daihayabusa  Hayabusa	 Takadagawa
Jd124W Daimao	   Oishikawa	Shibatayama
Jd126E Arajishi	 Uchiumi	  Arashio
Jd127W Daikamifusa  Ito		  Asahiyama
Jd130E Wakaoma	  Kusakiyo	 Hanakago
Jk15E  Tokitairyu   Tokitenryu   Tokitsukaze
Jk19E  Aonoumi	  Takahashi	Ajigawa
Jk21W  Tsurudaiki   Hashimoto	Izutsu
Jk33W  Komanokuni   Hirata	   Shibatayama
Jk38E  Tsunehikari  Sugaya	   Nishikido
Jk38W  Otamura	  Tamura	   Shibatayama

[Odoriou 0]

I have to say that I'm very pleased with Natsu Banzuke (Showing respect...)

I guess that our Mongolian members are pleased even more. There are seven Mongolian rikishi in makuuchi - and all are either in sanyaku or in joi-jin ranks. (Whistling...)

Kaido		 Ms15 Furuichi

So... how exactly does this Makushita Tsukedashi thingie work...? Shimoda, the guy from this thread, is obviously not listed on the banzuke. Will he take part in the basho as some kind of a fictional Makushita 15 'south' now? (On the banzuke...)

[Mattjila 0]

Kaido		 Ms15 Furuichi

So... how exactly does this Makushita Tsukedashi thingie work...? Shimoda, the guy from this thread, is obviously not listed on the banzuke. Will he take part in the basho as some kind of a fictional Makushita 15 'south' now? (Whistling...)

If I recall, tsukedashi is "outside" the banzuke, meaning a MsTd rikishi is *not* in the released banzuke, but is placed, later, into his position.

Edited April 24, 2006 by Mattjila

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Banzuke New Shikona Old Shikona  Heya
--------------------------------------------
Jd121E Daihayabusa  Hayabusa	 Takadagawa

So the High Abuser is now a Great High Abuser. I'll have an eye on him.

[Shimpu 0]

I guess that our Mongolian members are pleased even more. There are seven Mongolian rikishi in makuuchi - and all are either in sanyaku or in joi-jin ranks. yes.gif

I see that the point of my post is clear for you Mr. Odoriou (Whistling...) Yes, Mongolians... but the time will come. As for now you got it. I must wait a little bit longer for upcoming Changing of the Guard (Showing respect...)

[Odoriou 0]

So... how exactly does this Makushita Tsukedashi thingie work...? Shimoda, the guy from this thread, is obviously not listed on the banzuke. Will he take part in the basho as some kind of a fictional Makushita 15 'south' now? (Showing respect...)

If I recall, tsukedashi is "outside" the banzuke, meaning a MsTd rikishi is *not* in the released banzuke, but is placed, later, into his position.

If I got that right, Shimoda-san doesn't actually have a real banzuke rank, but is treated like a Makushita 15? So he will have seven bouts against upper Makushita rikishi and will first appear on a banzuke in Nagoya basho - somewhere between mid-makushita and lower juryo... Cool. (Whistling...)

[Asashosakari 20,243]

If I got that right, Shimoda-san doesn't actually have a real banzuke rank, but is treated like a Makushita 15? So he will have seven bouts against upper Makushita rikishi and will first appear on a banzuke in Nagoya basho - somewhere between mid-makushita and lower juryo... Cool. (Whistling...)

Your "Ms15 South" idea was pretty much correct, in essence. He'll be treated as ranking between Ms15w and Ms16e for torikumi purposes. And he's eligible for the direct promotion to Juryo with 7-0, as you note.

Edited April 24, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

This happens to be the first time since Hatsu 2005 that both Sekiwake are Japanese. But then again, both Komusubi were born in Mongolia, just like three basho ago.

Relevance? None, I guess...

[Coo-cook 0]

I guess that our Mongolian members are pleased even more. There are seven Mongolian rikishi in makuuchi - and all are either in sanyaku or in joi-jin ranks. yes.gif

I see that the point of my post is clear for you Mr. Odoriou Yes, Mongolians... but the time will come. As for now you got it. I must wait a little bit longer for upcoming Changing of the Guard

Geez. Relax Shimpu. Try to enjoy sumo....instead of waiting for some "Changing of the Guard". (Laughing...)

(Don't ruin your mood and life. Sounds like you are deeply upset or seeking revenge for something. Hope, my impression is wrong)

Edited April 25, 2006 by Coo-cook

[Shimpu 0]

Geez. Relax Shimpu. Try to enjoy sumo....instead of waiting for some "Changing of the Guard". biggrin.gif

Believe me Coo-cook I'm able to enjoy good sumo during my personal gehenna :-D Seriously I'm a definite fan of Japanese sumo and I see nothing wrong with it. Probably it is because I found Japanese culture interesting much earlier than I've started watching sumo. That's it. It may seems funny to you but I really want Japanese top-rankers - that is my team so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this "ChotG" (Laughing...)

[Sasanishiki 57]

Banzuke New Shikona Old Shikona  Heya
--------------------------------------------
Jd121E Daihayabusa  Hayabusa	 Takadagawa

So the High Abuser is now a Great High Abuser. I'll have an eye on him.

"Die! High Abuser"?

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Tochiazuma Ozeki Kotooushuu

Chiyotaikai Ozeki KaioU

------- Ozeki Hakuhou

Kotomitsuki Sekiwake Miyabiyama

Kyokutenho Komusubi Ama

Kisenosato- M1 Kakizoe

Asasekiryuu M2 Wakanosato

Kotoshougiku M3 Aminishiki

Tokitenkuu M4 Takekaze

Many young rikishi at career high ranks btw. Hakuho as ozeki, Ama as komusubi, Kisenosato at M1 and Kotoshogiku at M3. In general, joijin looks void of nonsense (Shuzan or Hokutoriki) 2-13 rikishi. Kisenosato and Kotoshogiku should be interesting even to people who still think Kisenosato has not improved his sumo and is still some mediocre mid maegashira. Asasekiryu usually does better sumo at high rank even when if his result measured in numbers may be bad and he definitely can challenge all sanyaku rikishi well. Wakanosato's return to joijin also should have extra interest simply because he should be there a permanent figure to cause problems to others ( at least Hokutoriki isn't there instead of him). Aminishiki is always good to have here to pester Shoryu, ozeki and whomever, Tokitenku has his tricks and while he is overwhelmed by the power of his foes this high, he sure brings extra attention. Kakizoe at high maegashira is of course always quite stable 6-8 wins rikishi while Takekaze may go home with a heavy kind of make-koshi unless he really shows genki tachi-ai. In every case, The career high ranks of many young rikishi + return of Wakanosato+Sekiryu here is good. Aminishiki not dropping off the joijin is good and Miyabiyama still very fat at 182kg is good too. Not bad.

Kyokushuuzan M5 Rohou

Tamanoshima M6 Kokkai

Futenou M7 Dejima

Kasugaou M8 Hakurozan

Iwakiyama M9 Tochinonada

Tamakasuga M10 Tochinohana

Houmashou M11 Baruto

Takamisakari M12 Tosanoumi

Can't really say this bunch is uninteresting either. Many of these rikishi have been often at high makuuchi but this time deal more with each other. Muscle mountains' debuts at M11 is naturally the freshest aspect of life on the honbasho dohyo but the whole M5-M9 fighting each other brings a number of often high quality match-ups. Lot of ai-yotsu there since Roho, Hakurozan, Kyokushuzan, Kasugao all go for migi-yotsu and Futeno goes into kenka-yotsu a lot except against Nada of course where we shall see a nice battle between right hand outside by Futeno and left hand inside by Nada who seems genki enough beating Azuma three times in a row at keiko (which is highly unusual since he is Azuma's ragdoll convenient foe who doesn't surprise Azuma) etc. Tamakasuga is a strange rikishi managing to climb up from juryo over and over again and then re-establishing a firm makuuchi status.

Well banzuke is always interesting if you look at it in a right way. Still, once again quite many interesting details to pay attention to.

[AsaMoe 0]

Asasekiryu usually does better sumo at high rank even when if his result measured in numbers may be bad and he definitely can challenge all sanyaku rikishi well.

The only reason, why this is true for Asasekiryu and not for everybody else, is that he cannot fight against Asashoryu.

[Fay 1,677]

The only reason, why this is true for Asasekiryu and not for everybody else, is that he cannot fight against Asashoryu.

which would be exactly one bout. I think there are some more strong rikishi he has to face at this rank ... (Whistling...)

[Kishinoyama 625]

which would be exactly one bout. I think there are some more strong rikishi he has to face at this rank ... (Whistling...)

And when he has faced all of the top guys, he has had terrible results. :-D

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

There's (at least) one minor error in the NSK Banzuke Topics. Who can spot it?