Bunbukuchagama 923 Posted August 2 5 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said: does 6-9 at M17E keep Kotoeiho in Makuuchi over ShiShi and his 7-8 at M17W. No. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 2 28 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Doing that would essentially amount to admitting they were REALLY wrong in Nagoya. I just don't see it happening. They've made plenty of decisions in the past that baffled us GTB players, and I've never seen them appear to "correct" them on the subsequent banzuke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 2 20 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said: Moving to the bottom of the Banzuke, does 6-9 at M17E keep Kotoeiho in Makuuchi over ShiShi and his 7-8 at M17W. Same rank and one less win? I guess you can never say never with this banzuke committee after last time, but that would be truly shocking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wakawakawaka 211 Posted August 3 (edited) 6 hours ago, Reonito said: They've made plenty of decisions in the past that baffled us GTB players, and I've never seen them appear to "correct" them on the subsequent banzuke. Small but maybe... Natsu 2025: Inexplicable overdemotion of Chiyoshoma (putting him behind Ura that is). Nagoya 2025: Inexplicable underdemotion of Chiyoshoma. Edited August 3 by Wakawakawaka 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 3 I see that many players are seriously thinking of leaving Shishi at 17W, with a 7-8. Really? If the men in charge do, I hereby announce my retirement from GTB (just like I retired from making the videos years ago). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 3 1 hour ago, Kintamayama said: I see that many players are seriously thinking of leaving Shishi at 17W, with a 7-8. Really? If the men in charge do, I hereby announce my retirement from GTB (just like I retired from making the videos years ago). I did a query. Hiradoumi a couple of years ago stayed at the lowest 16W rank with a 7-8, but there was nowhere to move him without demoting him to juryo. Kayo stayed at 16E last basho, though he could easily have been bumped down. What gives you the high level of confidence that Shishi is definitely going down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 3 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Reonito said: I did a query. Hiradoumi a couple of years ago stayed at the lowest 16W rank with a 7-8, but there was nowhere to move him without demoting him to juryo. Kayo stayed at 16E last basho, though he could easily have been bumped down. What gives you the high level of confidence that Shishi is definitely going down? Kayou was not ranked at the bottomost. I still believe your rank still counts (meaning if you are at the bottomost it means something and you go down with a makekoshi, although i am sure there are hundreds of precedents to nix my theory) And you should know by now that I have no level of confidence in anything, especially when it concerns GTB.. But I do have strong gut feelings here and there that turn out to be correct contrary to popular belief. A broken clock etc. And I haven't even started on the two top Sekiwake ranks. Edited August 3 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 3 34 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Kayou was not ranked at the bottomost. I still believe your rank still counts (meaning if you are at the bottomost it means something and you go down with a makekoshi, although i am sure there are hundreds of precedents to nix my theory) And you should know by now that I have no level of confidence in anything, especially when it concerns GTB.. But I do have strong gut feelings here and there that turn out to be correct contrary to popular belief. A broken clock etc. And I haven't even started on the two top Sekiwake ranks. Haha, thank you for the response, and do tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fat Cyclist 32 Posted August 4 11 hours ago, Kintamayama said: Kayou was not ranked at the bottomost. I still believe your rank still counts (meaning if you are at the bottomost it means something and you go down with a makekoshi, although i am sure there are hundreds of precedents to nix my theory) And you should know by now that I have no level of confidence in anything, especially when it concerns GTB.. But I do have strong gut feelings here and there that turn out to be correct contrary to popular belief. A broken clock etc. I like Shishi but have to agree with you on this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 923 Posted August 4 14 hours ago, Kintamayama said: I see that many players are seriously thinking of leaving Shishi at 17W, with a 7-8. Really? If the men in charge do, I hereby announce my retirement from GTB (just like I retired from making the videos years ago). 2024.07 M17e 6-9 2024.09 M17e 8-7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,615 Posted August 4 I think that Shishi's rank depends on what you do with Kotoeiho. If you keep Kotoeiho, he can only be in the very last spot so Shishi can stay on 17w. If you drop Kotoeiho and bring up Hitoshi you can give Shishi a demotion to 18e and slot Hitoshi in at 17w. Opinion seems to be divided on the matter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,570 Posted August 4 (edited) The interesting thing with Shishi is, that you don't have to demote him, unless his present rank disappears. If they promote both Takayasu and Aonishiki to sekiwake, the m17w rank is gone. Edited August 4 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: 2024.07 M17e 6-9 2024.09 M17e 8-7 Absolutely nobody else from Juryo could be promoted then. A 9-6 from M6 was deemed unviable. Or inviable.. This time, we have seven viables. Fluke. I could show you the cases in which the bottomest ranked 7-8 guy WAS demoted to make my point, but I don't have enough monitor space. We shall see. Edited August 4 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: I think that Shishi's rank depends on what you do with Kotoeiho. If you keep Kotoeiho, he can only be in the very last spot so Shishi can stay on 17w. If you drop Kotoeiho and bring up Hitoshi you can give Shishi a demotion to 18e and slot Hitoshi in at 17w. Opinion seems to be divided on the matter. 18E? How can you get to 18E without reducing the Sanyaku? Oh wait, you have a seven man sanyaku.. I now see the difference.. I don't see any way we don't have an eight-man sanyaku, so I guess I'm in the minority with that as well? Edited August 4 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 (edited) I just had a thought- what if they promote Aonishiki to KE and leave Takayasu at KW, 10-5 and all (happened to Hiradoumi last July..)? That would be perfect karma. Then we'd have an 18E spot and Shishi might survive! I'd go with that if I had the balls. Edited August 4 by Kintamayama 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: I just had a thought- what if they promote Aonishiki to KE and leave Takayasu at KW, 10-5 and all (happened to Hiradoumi last July..)? That would be perfect karma. Then we'd have an 18E spot and Shishi might survive! I'd go with that if I had the balls. KE Takayasu - KW Aonishiki - M18 Shishi - that's my take... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hypnoowl 23 Posted August 4 59 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: 18E? How can you get to 18E without reducing the Sanyaku? Oh wait, you have a seven man sanyaku.. I now see the difference.. I don't see any way we don't have an eight-man sanyaku, so I guess I'm in the minority with that as well? How do we arrive at an eight-man sanyaku, Tamawashi to K2? In my mind for them to open an extra sekiwake slot would be even crazier than keeping Takayasu the last time, as it would require overpromoting almost everyone with a KK while also breaking recent convention. On the other hand, is there really a convention to break? Looking at the 11-4 M1 query again, yes, it hasn't happened in a long time, but there was always a regular slot available. And the case of Daieisho's 13-2 is too outrageous to be considered relevant, it looks like they simply wanted to deny him a chance at ozeki, having three already with the forth in Terunofuji in the final stage of his run. If they don't mind a lot of overpromotions that extra sekiwake slot starts looking a lot less improbable, and would also open a possibility of booting both Shishi and Kotoeiho for Hitoshi and Daiseizan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: KE Takayasu - KW Aonishiki - M18 Shishi - that's my take... This is the "chalk" option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 20 hours ago, Reonito said: Haha, thank you for the response, and do tell. 8 man sanyaku, with Aonishiki leapfrogging Takayasu and tradition to Sekiwake W2. Not much history of an 11-4 M1 E, though. I know - that's why I'm going with wild. Takayasu KE. Unless I'll go for the other one I posted a few posts back. Aonishiki KE, Takayasu remains at KW. Difficult decision that can result either in a 4-11 or a 2-13. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 4 53 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Unless I'll go for the other one I posted a few posts back. Aonishiki KE, Takayasu remains at KW. Difficult decision that can result either in a 4-11 or a 2-13. As I think @Jakusotsu said in the context of GKA, it all depends on your player type. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 62 Posted August 4 What about 6 demotions? Cannot imagine that both M17 with 6-9 and 7-8 will stay in Makuuchi, as - with some fantasy - we have 6 promotable Juryos this time… ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Wamahada said: What about 6 demotions? Cannot imagine that both M17 with 6-9 and 7-8 will stay in Makuuchi, as - with some fantasy - we have 6 promotable Juryos this time… ? Well, 4 are certain, then it comes down to (1) Hitoshi vs. Kotoeiho and (2) Daiseizan vs. Shishi, in that order of likelihood. Opinions differ on these; maybe someone who knows how can make a poll. Daiseizan can't pass Hitoshi, and Kotoeiho shouldn't pass Shishi, so the options for who takes the last two spots are Sh and K, Sh and H, or H and D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Wamahada said: What about 6 demotions? Cannot imagine that both M17 with 6-9 and 7-8 will stay in Makuuchi, as - with some fantasy - we have 6 promotable Juryos this time… ? I have six of course. The only reason I can see it not happening is the bosses don't want to switch one seventh of Makuuchi rikishi.. A bit over the top for them, perhaps? Edited August 4 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,753 Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Reonito said: As I think @Jakusotsu said in the context of GKA, it all depends on your player type. Johnny, for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Johnny, for sure. I'll confess to being an incorrigible Spike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
