Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 9 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: the standard method for a while now I am not saying it's not standard. I am saying it's not smart, and the Kyokai will likely have to deal with a backlash it will have created if Kotoshoho wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benevolance 2,533 Posted July 26 (edited) Not to derail the argument, but I genuinely did not expect Kusano to beat Aonishiki. Edit: Oh, I guess I should add that clearly Aonishiki has now been solved, and he'll never win a match again. Also, all his goats will get fleas and, uh, the toilet in the heya won't flush properly. Heh. Yeah, that's a good curse. Edited July 26 by Benevolance 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,568 Posted July 26 (edited) 4 hours ago, RabidJohn said: 4 hours ago, Kintamayama said: Nobody is mentioning the "APTY syndrome (After Promotion to Yokozuna)". As in hundreds of functions, parties and meets and greets expected from the new top guy. I didn't have a snazzy acronym for it, but I did mention it in this thread yesterday. I'm saddened that you consider me nobody... I'd quote myself, but the forum does weird things when I try to multi-quote from previous pages. I'm fairly sure Akinomaki's been counting on it for his predictions since the start of the tournament, too. Yeah, Kintamayama thinks my name is nobody as well On 16/07/2025 at 12:07, Akinomaki said: Hoshoryu kyujo coming, maybe for the toe injury on the 4th. He is too reckless in training and gets injured all the time. Onosato is extremely efficient there, but he has to get in line of my prediction of 11 wins from promotion hangover Edited July 26 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,751 Posted July 26 9 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: Yeah, Kintamayama thinks my name is nobody as well Sorry guys-I am the nobody- I just enhanced what you were saying- it's a long thread and I must have missed that. So great minds think alike. I hope you can accept my apologies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 46,751 Posted July 26 2 hours ago, Sakura said: He completed one basho after that, when he managed to scrape up a 10-5. Yes, a year and a half later- missed that. I seem to be missing a lot lately.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said: All that being said: yes, you can find counter-examples where guys in lower maegashira were scheduled against the san'yaku before they reached eight wins. But in those cases, the wrestlers had either one loss or no losses Kusano had one loss after Day 8, but only got a sanyaku opponent on Day 12. Why wasn't he considered a threat at 7-1? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted July 26 Just now, Bunbukuchagama said: Kusano had one loss after Day 8, but only got a sanyaku opponent on Day 12. Why wasn't he considered a threat at 7-1? Because he wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Jakusotsu said: Because he wasn't. Why not? He still has a chance to win it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted July 26 (edited) So your main intention is to prevent a Maegashira yusho at all costs? Good luck with that... Edited July 26 by Jakusotsu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 617 Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Reonito said: What a chump, why couldn't he get off to a start like the last dominant Yokozuna we had, Hakuho. But no kinboshi in those four losses unlike our two current gold star givers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: So your main intention is to prevent a Maegashira yusho at all costs? Good luck with that... We've only had 26 of them in the entire 6-basho era (in 403 basho). Though granted, 9 came in the last 8 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 646 Posted July 26 10 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Kusano had one loss after Day 8, but only got a sanyaku opponent on Day 12. Why wasn't he considered a threat at 7-1? I didn't say everybody at 7-0 or 7-1 got popped up to fight the san'yaku. I said everyone who got pushed up with seven wins was either 7-0 or 7-1, as in, it didn't happen to anyone with two or more losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 8 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: So your main intention is to prevent a Maegashira yusho at all costs? Good luck with that... Not at all. My intention is to make sure every yusho is earned properly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted July 26 I remember several Sanyaku yusho which were even less properly earned... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: I didn't say everybody at 7-0 or 7-1 got popped up to fight the san'yaku. I said everyone who got pushed up with seven wins was either 7-0 or 7-1, as in, it didn't happen to anyone with two or more losses. You seem to try to always find some semblance of order in the chaos (be it banzuke or torikumi). Even where it doesn't really exist. From my point of view, the torikumi committee failed to recognize a low Maegashira yusho threat (even two of them, actually) early enough. They are not bound by some unbreakable rules of nature governing torikumi-making, and "they always do it like this" doesn't serve as a valid excuse. Edited July 26 by Bunbukuchagama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: I remember several Sanyaku yusho which were even less properly earned... Was their torikumi responsible for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted July 26 Just now, Bunbukuchagama said: Was their torikumi responsible for that? Yeah, they met too many low-rankers early on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: Yeah, they met too many low-rankers early on. Wasn't there a time when most of the upper ranks came from one heya, so they had radically easier schedules? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 922 Posted July 26 1 minute ago, Reonito said: Wasn't there a time when most of the upper ranks came from one heya, so they had radically easier schedules? Futagoyama dominance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,320 Posted July 26 The notorious Futagoyama factor... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrGrumpyGills 171 Posted July 26 Being hyped up like a superhero/demi-god before this basho can't have done Onosato's nerves any favours, either. Can't imagine the pressure he must've felt. Considering everything he really did a decent job. I belong to the tiny minority who doesn't care for dai yokozunae as much as others do (that's why I didn't enjoy Hakuho's reign, it was much too monotonous to me), so I'm fine with a top guy who lets others breathe, too. Like a tree that's clearly the tallest and most splendid one in the forest but doesn't hog all of the sunlight and water. Onosato will have plenty of opportunity to take more yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,568 Posted July 26 Nagoya now gets into the sole lead of number of basho won my a hiramaku (maegashira) since the start of Heisei, 4 so far, same as the Hatsu basho, 3 of those winners didn't make it ozeki o 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,568 Posted July 26 (edited) Isegahama (the 4th who won in Nagoya as hiramaku) is back from kyujo and was on NHK today - and of course the pudding lost Edited July 26 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Godango 1,092 Posted July 26 (edited) Kinboshi-aside, if your "disappointing" performance is 10/11 wins facing the top of the pack, you're probably pretty good at this whole sumo wrestling thing. Onosato will be more than fine. I also love me some Hoshoryu, and I'm not stoked about this most recent withdrawal, but he will also be fine. History is littered with Yokozuna with < 10 yusho. I have an extremely hard time believing Hoshoryu won't win at least 1-2 more, even if he proves injury prone. I have an extremely hard time believing Onosato won't get to 10+. They are 25 and 26. Yet to hit their peak by modern athlete standards. Let'm grow. Edited July 26 by Godango 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,747 Posted July 26 100% @Godango. We finally have two young yokozuna, and some folks seem to enjoy dragging them for some reason. For my part, I wish for good health for both and look forward to seeing what they can achieve. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
