GTB invitation- March 2024 - Results!

[Kintamayama 45,974]

Less than two days to enter. I was hibernating. I see a lot of humdrum around the game which is good. Shall we or shall we not? I personally do not toss a give. Whatever works. It is what it is. That's life. I'm hungry.  (insert cliche here:              ) As long as you get those entries in!

It's that time again. This is a formal invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game!! 25 years, 154th basho. Please play. It's fun and healthy and leaves no trace. Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for knowing everything. About anything.. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied, we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. If still tied, we will all cry together. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's up to you to check if  your entry was accepted and did not go missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. The entry process is very simple and fully automated so don't be put off by thinking this is technically complicated in any way. The game itself - very complicated indeed. 

For rules that will never be changed, standings and love : http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

For the nifty entry form, which will hopefully continue to do what it's intended to do : http://sumodb.sumoga...b/GTBEntry.aspx

For Chiyotasuke's incredible helper: https://chiyotasuke.github.io/gtbhelper/

For the archives: http://sumodb.sumoga...gtbarchive.aspx

See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx

Deadline: Monday, February 19th, 2024  at 18:00 GMT ("Grand Ménage à Trois!!! ) - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEED BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Edited February 25, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Bunbukuchagama 827]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Grand Ménage à Trois!!!

[Bunbukuchagama 827]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

THIS IS ONE WEED BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE

[Kintamayama 45,974]

7 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Easter egg found. Well done.

[Sumo Spiffy 621]

@Chiyotasuke Hey, I was wondering if it would be a hassle to add a handful of empty makushita ranks at the bottom of the guesses. Some people like to play with who's going to end up at the top of makushita, but perhaps more usefully, it would allow us to spread out the guys who mathematically get demoted out of juryo and line them up more neatly. It wouldn't need to be much to be helpful; maybe ms1-5? Enough to approximately match how far down the column on the left goes.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

11 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

@Chiyotasuke Hey, I was wondering if it would be a hassle to add a handful of empty makushita ranks at the bottom of the guesses. Some people like to play with who's going to end up at the top of makushita, but perhaps more usefully, it would allow us to spread out the guys who mathematically get demoted out of juryo and line them up more neatly. It wouldn't need to be much to be helpful; maybe ms1-5? Enough to approximately match how far down the column on the left goes.

I can let you place all the incoming Sandanmes to your heart's content if you wait until this evening.

EDIT - sending a DM now for @Chiyotasuke's page plus Makushita rows minus bonus sanyaku rows you're never going to use.

Edited February 1, 2024 by Hoshotakamoto

[Chiyotasuke 311]

15 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

@Chiyotasuke Hey, I was wondering if it would be a hassle to add a handful of empty makushita ranks at the bottom of the guesses. Some people like to play with who's going to end up at the top of makushita, but perhaps more usefully, it would allow us to spread out the guys who mathematically get demoted out of juryo and line them up more neatly. It wouldn't need to be much to be helpful; maybe ms1-5? Enough to approximately match how far down the column on the left goes.

Done. I added Makushita 1-15 slots to the guesses table and accompanying makushita rikishi to the left table plus 7-0 record sandanme rikishi, though it was done hastily as I've been busy with schoolwork. I might tidy up the code in a little while.

If you can't see the things I added, click the "Reset changes" button.

[Sumo Spiffy 621]

Siiiiiiiiick 

[Wakawakawaka 186]

It seems rather unbeffiting of a game about the banzuke to not have a banzuke itself (for it's own rankings). Is there a specific reason(s) for this?

[Bunbukuchagama 827]

16 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

It seems rather unbeffiting of a game about the banzuke to not have a banzuke itself (for it's own rankings). Is there a specific reason(s) for this?

If it did, we could play a meta-game called  "guess the GTB banzuke". 

[Reonito 1,613]

46 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

It seems rather unbeffiting of a game about the banzuke to not have a banzuke itself (for it's own rankings). Is there a specific reason(s) for this?

This is a very good point, but I guess the ranking system is more fair in that it does not offer the Y/O protections against a bad performance...

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,281]

On 31/01/2024 at 13:36, Kintamayama said:

If still tied, we will all cry together. 

Honestly I’m game for this even if we don’t tie.

[Bunbukuchagama 827]

46 minutes ago, Reonito said:

This is a very good point, but I guess the ranking system is more fair in that it does not offer the Y/O protections against a bad performance...

Ranking systems are also much more friendly to new players. If you play well, you can get to the very top within a year.

[Kintamayama 45,974]

Irony. 

[Wakawakawaka 186]

On 02/02/2024 at 00:48, Bunbukuchagama said:

Ranking systems are also much more friendly to new players. If you play well, you can get to the very top within a year.

I gave making a banzuke a shot, for new players (6-10 touraments) doing well (<30th in rank), 2 came out Maegashira, 2 were Juryo, and the remaining 4 occupied the top 4 Makushita spots. So to say another way, in GTB ranking those 8 players were ranked between 9 and 28, in the test banzuke, they were ranked between 18th and 51st. I don't think that would qualify as a ginormous oppression of new players, and I say that as I (Kale) am among those 8 (23rd GTB ranking > 49th on test banzuke).

Edited February 5, 2024 by Wakawakawaka

[Bunbukuchagama 827]

5 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

I gave making a banzuke a shot, for new players (6-10 touraments) doing well (<30th in rank), 2 came out Maegashira, 2 were Juryo, and the remaining 4 occupied the top 4 Makushita spots. So to say another way, in GTB ranking those 8 players were ranked between 9 and 28, in the test banzuke, they were ranked between 18th and 51st. I don't think that would qualify as a ginormous oppression of new players, and I say that as I (Kale) am among those 8 (23rd GTB ranking > 49th on test banzuke).

 I am currently ranked 2nd in ChainGang after just 6 basho. At the same time, I will be moving up to Ms45 or so in Sumo Game. 

[Kintamayama 45,974]

Just got my entry in- a lot to discuss. A lot of rikishi will be very happy. Or maybe they will go with heavy under-demotions this time.

 My two dilemmas- Takerufuji over Endou? Kotonowaka over Takakeishou? I went with both, but I probably will change at least one of them. Of course, the rest isn't a bed of roses, but I'm not good at this anyway so  I have no cred to maintain.. 

[Jakusotsu 6,188]

13 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Kotonowaka over Takakeishou?

Most certainly not.

Remember Hoshoryu?

[Kintamayama 45,974]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Most certainly not.

Remember Hoshoryu?

I also remember last basho and Kotonowaka, notwithstanding..

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

On 01/02/2024 at 20:12, Wakawakawaka said:

It seems rather unbeffiting of a game about the banzuke to not have a banzuke itself (for it's own rankings). Is there a specific reason(s) for this?

ah ... well now this is going to happen, based on results since the beginning of time.

Here's the end of the Haru 1998 contest (not in the order that they finished, since stronger rikishi with the same record often start and finish behind their counterparts in Jk)

 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Hoshotakamoto

[Kintamayama 45,974]

4 hours ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

ah ... well now this is going to happen, based on results since the beginning of time.

Here's the end of the Haru 1998 contest (not in the order that they finished, since stronger rikishi with the same record often start and finish behind their counterparts in Jk)

 

Wow, excellent - a lot of work, but if and when done, we can be the only game in the Universe with two parallel  banzukes.. Befitting indeed for a guess the banzuke game.

[Reonito 1,613]

7 hours ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

ah ... well now this is going to happen, based on results since the beginning of time.

The potentially tricky part is how to treat O/Y promotions and demotions (especially if Y performance suffers). And remember there is a kosho system in place, so missing one basho should preserve someone's rank.

[Sumo Spiffy 621]

9 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I also remember last basho and Kotonowaka, notwithstanding..

Kotonowaka was already at the rank last basho; the surprise was "demoting" Daieisho to flip-flop them. Now he's a new ozeki, and someone moving freshly into the rank goes behind those already there.

[Gurowake 4,123]

5 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

someone moving freshly into the rank goes behind those already there.

It might be better to say "has always went behind those already there", to emphasize what the trend is, while recognizing that they can decide to do something different whenever they feel like it.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

1 hour ago, Reonito said:

The potentially tricky part is how to treat O/Y promotions and demotions (especially if Y performance suffers). And remember there is a kosho system in place, so missing one basho should preserve someone's rank.

I was thinking Yokozunas would be put out to pasture but they could come back at Ms10, like ascending in Cookie Clicker.