Kyushu Basho 2013 discussion thread

[Mark.Buckton 68]

Day 8: full house with 6261 spectators

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131118/sum13111805030002-n1.html

so 500 difference, compared to your figures from a day earlier, and both a 'full house'? In a stadium with a capacity of under 7,000. Therefore nearly 8-10% not there.

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[Koorifuu 1,079]

Is my impression wrong, or are we witnessing many more after-bout shoves than usual?

Your impression is 100% correct.

The Yokozuna worshipers, however, saw nothing.

Did you see Harumafuji's face-palm on Takayasu long after the match was over?

May we see the numbers, please? In what direction and to what magnitude have incidents changed over the years?

Hey... When I said I was under an impression it was meant to imply I didn't go check any kind of stat or number. Just that after watching dozens of bouts in the past week, I feel that I've seen that much more than I'm used to.

It wasn't meant to be a swipe at the yokozuna though, even if both are pushing the boundaries there are many more people doing it. A peek at my profile picture will show why I'm not particularly happy at Harumafuji. But other than both Harumafuji and Hakuho making a point of hopping towards their fallen opponents, I recall at least Tokushoryu's on a fallen Kotoyuki, and Terunofuji's on Daido. And I'm pretty sure there's been a number more on the sekitori divisions.

Edited November 18, 2013 by Koorifuu

[Shiro 13]

Nice to see both Yokozuna's tied at the end of the first week.

[Masumasumasu 902]

It sure is exciting to see Hakuho win all the time.

[Morty 1,517]

Is my impression wrong, or are we witnessing many more after-bout shoves than usual?

Your impression is 100% correct.

The Yokozuna worshipers, however, saw nothing.

Did you see Harumafuji's face-palm on Takayasu long after the match was over?

May we see the numbers, please? In what direction and to what magnitude have incidents changed over the years?

Hey... When I said I was under an impression it was meant to imply I didn't go check any kind of stat or number. Just that after watching dozens of bouts in the past week, I feel that I've seen that much more than I'm used to.

It wasn't meant to be a swipe at the yokozuna though, even if both are pushing the boundaries there are many more people doing it. A peek at my profile picture will show why I'm not particularly happy at Harumafuji. But other than both Harumafuji and Hakuho making a point of hopping towards their fallen opponents, I recall at least Tokushoryu's on a fallen Kotoyuki, and Terunofuji's on Daido. And I'm pretty sure there's been a number more on the sekitori divisions.

Without any statistical analysis to fall back on, I was also wondering if there were a few more shoves in this basho than previously. People just seem a bit more cranky

[Benevolance 2,519]

It's the unstable red clay of Kyushu.

[Shiro 13]

Does it really matter if there are few shoves here and there? I mean it's a intense sport. It's bound to happen.

[Masumasumasu 902]

Does it really matter if there are few shoves here and there? I mean it's a intense sport. It's bound to happen.

It ought to matter. Sumo is defined by its dignity.

Fans can be crude if they like. The Yokozuna on the other hand should behave as transcendental being.

There's far more to being a Yokozuna than just winning silly matches.

[Shiro 13]

I realize sumo is a dignified sport and that it defines much of Japanese culture but we are still dealing with humans. I just don't feel it's something to get our mawashi's in a bunch over. If it was something that happened blatantly all the time, then yeah maybe something should be said. But I don't notice it that much. Just some intensity here and there.

[Shiro 13]

So does anyone know if Tochinoshin is going to be returning anytime soon? With this absence he'll be down in Makushita next tournament.

[Morty 1,517]

Does it really matter if there are few shoves here and there? I mean it's a intense sport. It's bound to happen.

I guess the issue I have with it is when the shove results in a rikishi leaving the dohyo. This often means you have 150+kg individuals flying into the crowd, or attempting to land in such a way to avoid injury. I wonder how often knee and ankle injuries are the result of them going off the dohyo and their joints having to carry the impact of all that weight?

[Asashosakari 19,943]

One of my favourites in the lower divisions for the last couple of years - he's like a less talented but more aggressive Toyohibiki:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8iFAPMMYbY

[I am the Yokozuna 204]

I am wondering of after how many bashos a demoted oozeki retired after failing to regain their rank from sekiwake rank (or was asked to retire) or kept on fighting until demotion from makuuchi or juryo?

Would be someone able to design such a query of oozeki ranked wrestlers? Thanks in advance!

[Asashosakari 19,943]

I am wondering of after how many bashos a demoted oozeki retired after failing to regain their rank from sekiwake rank (or was asked to retire) or kept on fighting until demotion from makuuchi or juryo?

Would be someone able to design such a query of oozeki ranked wrestlers? Thanks in advance!

Perhaps like this: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=3&n_basho=3&showintai=on&form1_rank=O&form1_year=1958-now&form2_rank=S&form3_rank=S-M

Just compare the date of the basho they were demoted to the basho they retired. (Note: The query does not include Chiyotaikai who retired in his first basho after demotion.)

[Masumasumasu 902]

What happened to Masunoyama?

[I am the Yokozuna 204]

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Thanks for that. So, the vibe I am getting from the cases of Konishiki and Takanonami is that Kotoshu, if his health permits, would be allowed to coast in makunouchi until his relegation to juryo. I thought that after so many years at ozeki, he would be "advised" to retire to "save the face and tradition" of the rank.

[krindel 684]

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Thanks for that. So, the vibe I am getting from the cases of Konishiki and Takanonami is that Kotoshu, if his health permits, would be allowed to coast in makunouchi until his relegation to juryo. I thought that after so many years at ozeki, he would be "advised" to retire to "save the face and tradition" of the rank.

Of course, being "allowed" to coast in makuuchi for a while, and having the intention to do so are two very different things. I have my doubts if he'll even fight for the 10 wins next basho, let alone stay on if he fails to achieve re-promotion.

[krindel 684]

Turns out Goeido doesn't need the crowded Ozeki ranks to block his way towards promotion, he can do that all by himself.

[torquato 1,075]

Feels as if in Makuuchi every second bout ended with a 5-5 result for at least 1 rikishi. WTF. 4 bouts with a 5-5 result for both rikishi. Weired.

[Asashosakari 19,943]

Turns out Goeido doesn't need the crowded Ozeki ranks to block his way towards promotion, he can do that all by himself.

He'll probably beat one of the yokozuna now...and then lose two more against Tochiozan and some random maegashira to miss the double digits.

[Masumasumasu 902]

The infallible Yokozuna does a beautiful Henka today. Bravo!

[Masumasumasu 902]

The infallible Yokozuna does a beautiful Henka today. Bravo!

Too bad you blinked. You missed a great taichiai with HMF's head square into Aoiyama's shoulder, then a lightning-fast shift for the uwatenage.

Not everyone is cut out for head-to-head sumo, I guess.

What ever happened to, "give them their money's worth"?

[Akinomaki 41,186]

Day 9: 4045 spectators

http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20131119/sum13111905010000-n1.html

The article gives the wrong number of most makuuchi wins - the no.1 1047 wins by Kaio are overall, the makuuchi record also by Kaio is 879:

http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/sumo/news/p-sp-tp3-20131119-1220151.html

Kaisei needs swift sumo – today was too long for his bad back.

Endo showed again a glimpse of the nonchalant Endo-uwate-nage (last basho against Kyokutenho) - will that become his trademark?

[torquato 1,075]

Endo showed again a glimpse of the nonchalant Endo-uwate-nage

Yeah. I found that brilliant sumo...

[Morty 1,517]

Chiyotairyu is easily my favourite rikishi. Not only does he have kick-ass side burns and an interesting personality, but just when you expect him to do badly because of something simple like near blindness, he goes through the opposition in what has largely been a dominant fashion. Very cool.

I'm also highly impressed with the approach of Tokitenku this basho. He is clearly badly injured, but he has still managed to pull out 4 wins with some really clever sumo.

Finally, Endo looks the goods