Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? The one with the highest potential, most praise early on, who just didn't pan out. Maybe due to injuries, or maybe other causes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? The one with the highest potential, most praise early on, who just didn't pan out. Maybe due to injuries, or maybe other causes... Kotonowaka, hands down... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,183 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? Oh, Konishiki had the biggest bust by far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 30, 2003 (edited) Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? Edited September 30, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted September 30, 2003 But despite this, I'm inclined to say that the biggest bust at least during the few years I have followed sumo, would be Kushimaumi, current Tagonoura-oyakata. As a college rikishi he broke ever amateur record there was, but in the pros he never even reached sanyaku I'm not familiar with the story of Kushimaumi -- why didn't he make it higher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 30, 2003 (edited) But despite this, I'm inclined to say that the biggest bust at least during the few years I have followed sumo, would be Kushimaumi, current Tagonoura-oyakata. As a college rikishi he broke ever amateur record there was, but in the pros he never even reached sanyaku I'm not familiar with the story of Kushimaumi -- why didn't he make it higher? Why didn't Kotonowaka? :-) Seriously, I think Kushimaumi had a few injuries in his time, but essentially he simply didn't live up to his potential. He is supposed to be a really nice guy and I suppose that is not necessarily a good thing in sumo (Laughing...) But if anyone knows more, it'd be interesting to hear... Edited September 30, 2003 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zuikakuyama 1 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? The one with the highest potential, most praise early on, who just didn't pan out. Maybe due to injuries, or maybe other causes... Kotonowaka, hands down... :-) I seem to recall that Kotonowaka was seen as such a good prospect that he married the daughter of his oyakata and so was being groomed to take over Sadogatake. Not too sure though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted September 30, 2003 Whom do you think was the biggest bust rikishi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted October 1, 2003 Well, it's good to be a nice guy at least B-) Maybe even more important than sumo! (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Onnagumo 4 Posted October 1, 2003 Well, it's good to be a nice guy at least B-) Well, maybe it didn't help him in his career as a rikishi, but an important reason why I like Kotonowaka so much, is that he is said to be such a nice guy. I like that kind of men: so big and strong they could crush you, but on the inside they are so kind and gentle they wouldn't even crush a spider :-) Ehh.... this sounds exactly like a description of my hubby..... (Sigh...) (Heart) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted October 1, 2003 Am I the only one who was disappointed when opening this thread, and finding out what the subject line REALLY meant?? (Sigh...) Cheers! Z. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted October 1, 2003 I hope you are... (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted October 1, 2003 Hayateumi. Light skillful rikishi with yotsu-magic Knees, gout harrassed and down he went which was tragic At the end of the tunnel no more bright sanyaku light visible But still juryo yusho and promotion to makuuchi should be feasible He had amazing yotsu-skills and good dose of power to go with it. That unexplained domination in many of his yotsu-bouts was something that never ceased to amaze me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Onnagumo 4 Posted October 1, 2003 Am I the only one who was disappointed when opening this thread, and finding out what the subject line REALLY meant?? :-) Cheers! Z. :-) HA HA! I bet you thought it had something to do with Chiyotaikai's girlfriend...... (Protesting...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) Am I the only one who was disappointed when opening this thread, and finding out what the subject line REALLY meant?? :-) Well, I wasn't *dissapointed*, but I did think the same. :-) Kotonowaka and Hayateumi, huh? Two of my (Protesting...) I bring bad luck to my favourites! :-) (In love...) Edited October 2, 2003 by Manekineko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted October 2, 2003 Am I the only one who was disappointed when opening this thread, and finding out what the subject line REALLY meant?? :-) Cheers! Z. I should have used clearer, less slang terms than a bust I suppose (Protesting...) Rikishi who's wasted potential was greatest... :-) I must go dig up some old videos of Kotonowaka and see what the fuss is about... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaijinohana 0 Posted October 2, 2003 I realize it might still be a little premature but my vote goes to Chiyotaikai. Or even Kaio. They are both such chokers that it's like watching a slow trainwreck to eventually being considered the greatest bust. Especially Chiyotaikai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted October 2, 2003 (edited) Well for me so far my vote goes to a recent Makuuchi returnee-Takanowaka.(well,next basho) I thought he was going straight to the top-mind you theres still time. Edited October 2, 2003 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,224 Posted October 3, 2003 Well for me so far my vote goes to a recent Makuuchi returnee-Takanowaka.(well,next basho)I thought he was going straight to the top-mind you theres still time. Colour me confused, but how does "dropping from Sekiwake down to Juryo for one basho after a series of injuries" equate with "most disappointing rikishi in recent history"? (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted October 3, 2003 Actually I didn't even limit my question to "recent" rikishi -- I purposely wanted to include as candidates rikishi from older times... (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saburo 18 Posted October 13, 2003 But despite this, I'm inclined to say that the biggest bust at least during the few years I have followed sumo, would be Kushimaumi, current Tagonoura-oyakata. I agree 110 percent, absolutely. I've been a sumo fan since I was a kid and a serious one since '86 and he's the one hyped rikishi that was groomed for the top. But he turned out to be an even bigger bust than Kotonowaka, who at least made sanyaku. When I was a kid, there was this guy named Onishiki who won all the sansho in his makunouchi debut basho. His sophomore basho was at komusubi... It might have been his ONLY basho in sanyaku, for all I know. Anyway, those are the two that come to mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted October 13, 2003 When I was a kid, there was this guy named Onishiki who won all the sansho in his makunouchi debut basho. His sophomore basho was at komusubi... It might have been his ONLY basho in sanyaku, for all I know.Anyway, those are the two that come to mind. Yes, of course, I should have thought of him (Applauding...) I have a few old Japanese sumo magazines from the early 1970s filled with pictures of Onishiki, including those where he holds all sansho awards after his shin-nyumaku basho. And of course, that was pretty much the end of his career B-) His komusubi basho was indeed his only sanyaku basho during a 15 year sekitori career. No more sansho either, but a bunch of Juryo yusho and Makunouchi promotions (4 Juryo yusho, 12 Makunouchi promotions)... I doubt that is what people thought after that spectacular shin-nyumaku basho. :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Onnagumo 4 Posted October 13, 2003 I must go dig up some old videos of Kotonowaka and see what the fuss is about... You've got old sumo video's? Lucky you! Try Nagoya basho 1996, the one I missed because the cable company stopped broadcasting Eurosport in that year B-) (Applauding...) He earned two kinboshi in that basho, against Akebono and Takanohana. Boy, I would have loved to see that...... :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,224 Posted October 13, 2003 And of course, that was pretty much the end of his career (Applauding...) Maybe not the end, but certainly the highlight. B-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
