Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) (To jump directly to later basho within this thread: Haru, Natsu, Nagoya, Aki, Kyushu) Continuing on from last year's notes and observations on those not blessed with above-average results... Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho Morikawa Otake Natsu 2003 21 Jonokuchi 23 West Jonokuchi 5 29-115-3 0.201 2-5 Daishiryu Kise Haru 2004 16 Jonokuchi 18 East Jonokuchi 1 27-85 0.241 3-4 Ishii Magaki Haru 2004 16 Jonokuchi 18 West Jonidan 133 21-91 0.188 3-4 Omori Naruto Kyushu 2004 10 Jonokuchi 14 East Jonidan 130 28-44-6 0.389 3-4 Iwanaga Michinoku Haru 2005 10 Jonokuchi 22 East Jonokuchi 7 17-53 0.243 2-5 Yamamoto Naruto Haru 2005 8 Jonokuchi 35 East Jonokuchi 2 17-39-7 0.304 (Mz 1-1-3) Kida Arashio Haru 2005 5 Banzuke-gai Jonokuchi 19 12-17-13 0.414 --- Kotoyamaguchi Sadogatake Haru 2006 4 Jonokuchi 15 West Jonokuchi 15 8-20 0.286 3-4 Wakahizen Hanakago Haru 2006 4 Jonokuchi 21 West Jonokuchi 21 9-19 0.321 2-5 Iwasa Shikoroyama Haru 2006 4 Jonokuchi 23 East Jonokuchi 23 9-19 0.321 2-5 Tsunehikari Nishikido Haru 2006 4 Jonokuchi 24 West Jonokuchi 20 10-14-4 0.417 1-4-2 Sugishita Naruto Haru 2006 4 Jonokuchi 36 West Jonokuchi 30 1-27 0.036 0-7 Higashi Shikoroyama Natsu 2006 3 Jonokuchi 20 East Jonokuchi 20 5-16 0.238 3-4 Tateishi Dewanoumi Natsu 2006 3 Jonokuchi 25 West Jonokuchi 25 5-16 0.238 1-6 Kanai Michinoku Nagoya 2005 3 Jonokuchi 34 East Jonokuchi 24 6-15-7 0.286 (Mz 1-4) Asaamami Takasago Haru 2005 3 Banzuke-gai Jonokuchi 26 7-10-11 0.412 --- All 14 guys on the banzuke are gambarizing and raring to go, so let's hope for a bunch of kachi-koshi. (Tsuppari...) First update on Day 4. Edited November 10, 2007 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 7, 2007 (edited) one of my favourite topics every honbasho. i ask from anyone going to the kokugikan to get vids of these guys. Especially Morikawa or Ishii .... Edit: Morikawa won on day 1 .... (Tsuppari...) Edited January 7, 2007 by aderechelsea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 10, 2007 Day 4: Hey, somebody's still unbeaten! Perennial first-week strongman Omori has another good start and is 2-0, with both wins coming against opponents from "outside the club" no less. His career winning percentage has moved back above .400 for the moment, so perhaps he'll take that final step to respectability this basho. The rest of our merry little group...well, not so good. 5-21 combined, with only one of the five wins coming against outside competition (and the lucky guy was Morikawa, of all people). It's going to be the usual uphill battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2007 Ishii and Higashi both lost today and are 0-3 by now. Daishiryu looks determined to leave this list and won today to improve to 2-1. better update to follow when Asashosakari-san will come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 11, 2007 Ishii and Higashi both lost today and are 0-3 by now.Daishiryu looks determined to leave this list and won today to improve to 2-1. better update to follow when Asashosakari-san will come. Hey, I'm not saying anything again until Day 8. ;-) Go right ahead and keep adding your own comments, I'm happy if this thread doesn't turn into a one-man show from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2007 but you know how much i love this topic ... i'll keep commenting then untill we get a real update on nakabi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,949 Posted January 11, 2007 I love this topic too. It's just the kind of topic that, for me, characterises this forum. Off-beat stats that would just be so hard to find anywhere else on earth. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 526 Posted January 11, 2007 I love this topic too. It is really amazing that a guy like Morikawa after 21 unavailing attempts to get his first KK has not given up.... And I'm curious about Sugishita finally getting his first real win. A victory becomes valuable only when you show respect to those who suffered from loss. Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted January 11, 2007 Man, you know this Sugishita guy is just brutal. Ever since he joined, he managed to win only one and now ranked the lowest rank on the banzuke. He got ranked lower than all Mae-zumo guys from the last basho. Again he looks like he will be going for another all loss again this basho. I've never seen anyone with this type of record persisting this long. If he's not making me cry all over my coffee, I'd have laughed. But one has to admire what must be his dogged courage and determination amid atrociously abundant evidence of futility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkgo 6 Posted January 11, 2007 Man, you know this Sugishita guy is just brutal. Ever since he joined, he managed to win only one (...) ...and this one was a fusen win. So he never wins a real bout, cause his Mae Zumo-record was 0:5 ... and he lost against Morikawa.... Ginkgo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2007 and here's a glimpse of his "persistent face" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaiguma 0 Posted January 11, 2007 and here's a glimpse of his "persistent face" Don't knock it - that's the face of a future perennial Sekiwake! (Please!?...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2007 you know what .... he could be for all i know. he was born in 1991 !!!!!! He could develop to be the new Wakanosato or the new Ichinoya. The boy is a complete mystery .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 11, 2007 you know what .... he could be for all i know.he was born in 1991 !!!!!! He could develop to be the new Wakanosato or the new Ichinoya. The boy is a complete mystery .... He's the third-youngest in Ozumo at the moment. Of course, the two guys who are younger than him have career records of 15-15 and 11-13, so his age perhaps isn't the only obstacle on his path to success and super-stardom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2007 just wait for the moment he meets his new friends ..... "creatine" and "amino-acids". i tell you .. we have a new Wakanohana in our hands ... (Please!?...) (i hope i am not offending him by cracking a joke here and there) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 12, 2007 we had quite a few bouts of our guys on day 6. 8 rikishi fought and only 3 won, but they were fighting "inside the group". winners were: Kanai (1-2), Iwasa (2-1) and Tsunehikari (1-2) Sugishita remains winless in a competitive match (lost to Kanai) and is now 0-3. Morikawa lost to Iwasa and is standing on a 1-2 record. Omori and Yamamoto both lost and fell to 1-2 Tateishi is one loss away from his 4 MK in 4 basho as he accumulated 0 wins in his 3 matches. Today he lost to fellow-persistent Tsunehikari. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itachi 396 Posted January 12, 2007 Sugishita remains winless in a competitive match (lost to Kanai) and is now 0-3.[ Wow! He's got 30 losses and one fusen-sho as his offical record - 35 losses if you count his 0-5 maezumo outing! Even if he is very young, how long does he go on before hanging it up? Do they do a danpatsushiki or anything for the lower division guys or is that just for sekitori? Of course I would love to see him rewarded for his persistence with a successful career but now I'll settle for seing him get just one non-fusen win before giving up. Here comes the data miner question - what's the futility record? Who suffered the most losses before their first non-fusen win? Probably inclusion of maezumo will be too difficult but it would be fun to include it if the data is available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) Here comes the data miner question - what's the futility record? Who suffered the most losses before their first non-fusen win? Probably inclusion of maezumo will be too difficult but it would be fun to include it if the data is available. I think it's going to be hard to ascertain the "non-fusen" win part of that for older records. If we exclude that provision, I'm semi-sure that I've come across somebody once who started his career with true 0-7, 0-7, 0-7, but I'll have to leave that to Doitsuyama to verify. At any rate, as I mentioned on last year's thread I'm still most impressed by Morikawa's 32-bout losing streak right after he won his first official bout. Ignoring the fusen Sugishita is about to match that, of course. BTW, Morikawa didn't get "good" (i.e. getting 2 wins most basho) until two shindeshi classes had passed him by, so if Sugishita follows his career path he'll be putting up 0-7's and 1-6's well into next year... Edited January 12, 2007 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 13, 2007 Sugishita is the first guy to hold his place in the list since he went MK. he lost today to Daikosei and remains winless (if you exclude a fusen win he has) in his career. The record for this basho is 0-4 and 1-31 overall. Four more listed rikishi lost today and are all 1-3 ... They must win all their remaining matches to leave the "green mile". they are : Yamamoto, Kotoyamaguchi, Tsunehikari and Kanai. . . . and lastly we have a rikishi determined to leave this loathsome list. He won today and moved to a 3-1 record. One more win and his name will be cleared from the mud. he is IWASA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted January 13, 2007 Guys, all this is your fault. I am now totally obsessed with Sugishita. I went back to check his Mae-zumo records back in the 2006 Haru. As mentioned by Adere, Sugishita faced five guys and lost them all. They were Maeyama (Michinoku), Sugaya (Nishikido), Tsuji (Shikoroyama), Mishima (Shikoroyama) and Iwasa (Shikoroyama). At the time he was 15 years old, 175 cm and 91 kg, just graduated from a junior high school in Saitama Prefecture. He says he joined Ozumo because he was asked to join by an aquaintance and wanted to make it to Juryo. His aspiration was to be like his oyakata (a set answer I think), Naruto oyakata, former yokozuna Takanosato. His hobby was listening to radio and his favorite famous person was a former figure skater Shizuka Arakawa who won gold in the Winter Olympics. His favorite food is chanko-nabe and he dislikes celery. He had no favorite subject in school, in fact he hated just about every subject. Out of five rikishis he faced in Mae-zumo, the best one was Maeyama who reached Jonidan West 28 at the 2006 Aki. He is the only one of the five who is ranked in Jonidan this basho while the other three were ranked in Jonokuchi. Actually other than Maeyama, the only one to reach Jonidan was Tsuji who was ranked at Jonidan West 115 at the Kyushu. Sugaya is now known as Tsunehikari who is another one in our list. Sugaya/Tsunehikari had five Mae-zumo bouts and won two. He beat Sugishita and Mishima of Shikoroyama beya. Mishima had six Mae-zumo bouts and won only one, against Sugishita. In his first banzuke basho at the 2006 Natsu basho, Mishima was ranked at Jonokuchi East 39 (Sugishita was ranked at the very last rank, Jonokuchi West 43 this basho and went 0-7). The thing about Mishima was that he did not show this basho. Either he was injured or went on AWOL and never came back as his name was among the retired rikishis released by the Kyokai after the basho. Iwasa was ranked at Jonokuchi East 40 in his first basho and went 2-5 and had never had a kachikoshi up to now. Neither has Tsunehikari but Iwasa has been as futile as Tsunehikari but obviously not at the hapless Sugishita level. So this basho Maeyama is at Jonidan East 32, Tsunehikari at Jonokuchi West 24, Tsuji at Jonokuchi East 11, Iwasa at Jonokuchi East 23. The curse of Sugishita has at least affected four of the five rikishis he faced in Mae-zumo. So far Sugishita was ranked at the very last ranked at Mae-zumo, the last ranked at the 2006 Natsu, the third lowest ranked, Jonokuchi West 41 at the 2006 Nagoya (below him was Tateishi of Dewanoumi beya who has not had a kachikoshi and currently ranked at Jonokuchi West 25 and Asakomiya who debuted at the 2006 Natsu and missed all of the Nagoya basho and never has been seen since) the second lowest ranked, Jonokuchi West 37 at the 2006 Aki (the lowest ranked Kuramochi of Miyagino beya who has been missing almost all the bashos and has rarely been seen) and the last basho at the Kyushu he had about a dozen guys or so below him as he had one fusen win (out of those ranked below 5 went to banzuke-gai and four had make-koshi and five had kachikoshi). After looking at all this, I think we should form Sugishita Fan Club and should go on juice diet until he wins or retires whichever comes first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 13, 2007 i just love stories like that .... i wish someone goes there to interview the guy (or even better interview both him and Morikawa). I would love to see what's in their head ..... all these made me remember a topic about young Fukaya who didn't call his family after entering Musashigawa beya. I checked how is he doing this basho and he is 1-2 in jonokuchi.... STILL !!!! after all this time ..... i hope at least he calls ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 13, 2007 Sugishita is the first guy to hold his place in the list since he went MK.he lost today to Daikosei and remains winless (if you exclude a fusen win he has) in his career. The record for this basho is 0-4 and 1-31 overall. [Troy McClure] You may remember Daikosei from such educational performances as "Just Call Me Mr. Second-Worst Winning Percentage in Ozumo" and "I Got a KK After 12 Attempts But All I Have To Show For It Is An 0-7 Drubbing In Jonidan". [/Troy McClure] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 14, 2007 another quick update. Morikawa WON !!! and he is 2-2 ... what do you say .. can he do the unthinkable ???? Daishiryu lost and he is also at 2-2. The guy that beat him is also in our list but he holds the highest win percentage of the lot, and it is normal for him to be one of the first to leave this topic. He is Omori and he stands on a respectable 3-1 record. Ishii will be with us next basho since he went MK already (0-4) ... he is killing his already minimal winning percentage. Wakahizen lost and fell to 1-3 Iwanaga who lost to Morikawa is at 1-3 Higashi will also be with us next time. He lost today and is already 0-4 Tateishi was the one to beat Higashi but he also is in a difficult position (1-3).... i am sure Asashosakari's post later today will have a lot more interesting stuff to add. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 14, 2007 Ishii's bout today as recorded by Nishinoshima. he was not that bad ... he had the initiative in the bout but failed in the end. His body doesn't fit with the depressing career record he has. He must be REALLY bad when it comes to technique and real power .... (In jonokuchi...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,415 Posted January 14, 2007 Ishii's bout today as recorded by Nishinoshima.he was not that bad ... he had the initiative in the bout but failed in the end. His body doesn't fit with the depressing career record he has. He must be REALLY bad when it comes to technique and real power .... (In jonokuchi...) I agree. He should have won this bout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
