Naganoyama 5,755 Posted March 12, 2006 SHIKONA NAME HEYA HEIGHT WEIGHT DOB BIRTHPLACE -------- Delgersaikhan Uuganbaatar Minezaki 174 88 26 - August - 1987 Mongolia Hashimoto Taiki Hashimoto Izutsu 173 118 08 - October - 1990 Kumamoto Higuchi Ryo Higuchi Miyagino 183 124 12 - February - 1991 Osaka Hirata Joji Hirata Shibatayama 175 178 29 - June - 1990 Kanagawa Hiratsuka Ryuta Hiratsuka Nakamura 170 113 21 - August - 1990 Saitama Hirose Tatsuya Hirose Ounomatsu 177 88 28 - April - 1990 Tokyo Homma Yukiya Homma Kasugano 176 125 23 - April - 1987 Shizuoka Honda Nobuyuki Honda Takadagawa 172 94 13 - October - 1990 Tokyo Igarashi Satoru Igarashi Arashio 174 76 29 - November - 1987 Kanagawa Ikehara Daichi Ikehara Tagonoura 179 111 26 - August - 1983 Osaka Ishimi Ryo Ishimi Hanaregoma 176 118 23 - May - 1987 Tokushima Iwasa Ryuji Iwasa Shikoroyama 184 119 01 - August - 1990 Osaka Kadowaki Kazuya Kadowaki Tamanoi 169 119 28 - May - 1990 Iwate Kagaya Jo Kagayama Naruto 176 78 15 - August - 1990 Akita Katagiri Toshiteru Katagiri Matsugane 170 131 26 - March - 1988 Chiba Kimura Masakazu Kimura Tokitsukaze 189 128 25 - August - 1983 Fukushima Kitagawa Tatsuya Kitagawa Irumagawa 177 153 03 - June - 1990 Saitama Kitazono Mototsugu Kitazono Oguruma 183 170 28 - April - 1983 Nagasaki Kojima Sei Kojima Michinoku 174 123 18 - April - 1990 Ibaraki Koshimizu Yu Koshimizu Kasugano 185 130 08 - December - 1987 Yamanashi Kumagai Tetsuya Kumagai Isenoumi 180 108 25 - August - 1990 Iwate -------- Levan Gorgadze Kasugano 190 129 13 - October - 1987 Georgia Maeyama Shogo Maeyama Michinoku 189 112 05 - December - 1988 Kagoshima Matsuoka Hiroyuki Matsuoka Oitekaze 176 110 25 - December - 1990 Hyogo Matsutani Yuya Matsutani Matsugane 177 123 09 - February - 1984 Tokyo Matsuura Rikiya Matsuura Naruto 176 129 10 - May - 1990 Tokyo Mishima Ryuichi Mishima Shikoroyama 170 73 12 - September- 1990 Mie Miura Ayumu Miura Mihogaseki 168 82 25 - October - 1990 Chiba Mori 1 Tatsuo Mori Musashigawa 184 156 24 - August - 1983 Saitama Mori 2 Nobuyuki Mori Tagonoura 176 122 28 - February - 1989 Wakayama Nakamatsu Miyuji Kurishuna Nakamatsu Sakaigawa 172 107 23 - January - 1991 Okinawa Nakano Masatoshi Nakano Sadogatake 170 94 10 - May - 1990 Osaka Nishikawa Toshihiko Nishikawa Tagonoura 168 135 11 - June - 1990 Wakayama Okuda Sho Okuda Sadogatake 171 111 31 - March - 1991 Fukuoka Oshima Shinichiro Oshima Musashigawa 181 130 16 - April - 1983 Saitama Owada Kenichi Owada Miyagino 184 119 19 - July - 1983 Saitama Oyama Shinichiro Oyama Oitekaze 176 116 29 - October - 1990 Saitama Sakai Kanetoshi Sakai Hanakago 169 134 22 - December - 1990 Nagasaki Sakaizawa Kenichi Sakaizawa Mihogaseki 187 161 11 - April - 1983 Saitama Sakurai Naoki Sakurai Nakamura 171 105 28 - June - 1990 Kagoshima Shimizu Yumio Shimizu Kise 178 132 12 - January - 1988 Hyogo Sugaya Tetsuya Sugaya Nishikido 175 119 03 - August - 1990 Ibaraki Sugishita Tsubasa Sugishita Naruto 175 91 12 - February - 1991 Saitama Suzuki 1 Takuya Suzuki Shikoroyama 172 115 19 - March - 1984 Niigata Suzuki 2 Daisuke Suzuki Takashima 167 82 28 - January - 1991 Chiba Takahashi Manabu Takahashi Ajigawa 169 154 04 - July - 1987 Kanagawa Takaira Satojiro Takaira Sadogatake 179 116 01 - August - 1990 Chiba Takedani Kazuya Takedani Hakkaku 179 152 26 - January - 1988 Shimane Takemoto Yuki Takemoto Nishikido 184 122 15 - December - 1987 Fukuoka Tamura Hiromasa Tamura Shibatayama 185 114 15 - November - 1990 Hokkaido Taniguchi Akira Taniguchi Kasugano 188 127 19 - May - 1987 Gifu Terasawa Chihiro Terasawa Isenoumi 170 90 29 - October - 1987 Nagano Tsuchiya Takahiro Tsuchiya Musashigawa 180 152 09 - December - 1987 Oita Tsuji Yuki Tsuji Shikoroyama 174 85 07 - August - 1990 Osaka Uebayashi Satoru Uebayashi Kokonoe 188 111 21 - June - 1987 Wakayama Watanabe 1 Kentaro Watanabe Sadogatake 173 146 06 - January - 1991 Tokyo Watanabe 2 Yuki Watanabe Takadagawa 188 124 10 - November - 1990 Yamanashi Yamaguchi Yuya Yamaguchi Sadogatake 173 114 22 - January - 1991 Kagoshima Yamamoto Masaki Yamamoto Kasugano 173 130 03 - May - 1987 Wakayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 13, 2006 Kagaya Jo Kagayama Naruto 176 78 15 - August - 1990 Akita I suspect that's an error in their database...his real surname is probably also Kagaya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,755 Posted March 13, 2006 I am sure you are right and it is an error. Possibly his shikona is meant to be Kagayama to avoid a clash with Kagaya of Kasugano. I guess the error will be fixed soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 18, 2006 Hmm, I just noticed...was the ichiban-shusse not announced after Day 5 this time, or did just nobody post on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted March 18, 2006 (edited) Here's a list of Ichiban Shusse, meaning they won all their Mae-zumo bouts, likely they only faced a minimum of two opponents. There is an additional Matsuoka who was not in the original list prepared by Nagano san so I have no information on him at at the moment. Edit: Sorry it was actually Matsutani from Matsugane, however he is not from Tokyo but from Fukuoka. SHIKONA NAME HEYA HEIGHT WEIGHT DOB BIRTHPLACE Matsuoka Hiroyuki Matsuoka Oitekaze 176 110 25 - December - 1990 Hyogo Shimizu Yumio Shimizu Kise 178 132 12 - January - 1988 Hyogo Koshimizu Yu Koshimizu Kasugano 185 130 08 - December - 1987 Yamanashi Matsutani Yuya Matsutani Matsugane 177 123 09 - February - 1984 Fukuoka Tokitenryu (fomerly Kimura) Masakazu Kimura Tokitsukaze 189 128 25 - August - 1983 Fukushima Maeyama Shogo Maeyama Michinoku 189 112 05 - December - 1988 Kagoshima Takedani Kazuya Takedani Hakkaku 179 152 26 - January - 1988 Shimane Sakaizawa Kenichi Sakaizawa Mihogaseki 187 161 11 - April - 1983 Saitama Tochinoshin Levan Gorgadze Kasugano 190 129 13 - October - 1987 Georgia Katagiri Toshiteru Katagiri Matsugane 170 131 26 - March - 1988 Chiba Owada Kenichi Owada Miyagino 184 119 19 - July - 1983 Saitama Takahashi Manabu Takahashi Ajigawa 169 154 04 - July - 1987 Kanagawa Kitagawa Tatsuya Kitagawa Irumagawa 177 153 03 - June - 1990 Saitama Edited March 18, 2006 by Jonosuke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 19, 2006 Many thanks, Joe! (Sign of approval) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 26, 2006 (edited) Stuff: The Kagaya[ma] profile has been fixed now. Mori Tatsuo's shusshin has been changed from Saitama to Oita. And, for anyone that might care to adopt any of these, here's the list of shikona changes among these shin-deshi: Gorgadze Levan (Kasugano) -> Tochinoshin Homma Yukiya (Kasugano) -> Tochihiryu Honda Nobuyuki (Takadagawa) -> Tsurunoumi Kagaya Jo (Naruto) -> Takakagaya Kimura Masakazu (Tokitsukaze) -> Tokitenryu Miura Ayumu (Mihogaseki) -> Masumiura Nakano Masatoshi (Sadogatake) -> Kotonakano Okuda Sho (Sadogatake) -> Kotookuda Oshima Shinichiro (Musashigawa) -> Onoshima Oyama Shinichiro (Oitekaze) -> Daishoiwa Uebayashi Satoru (Kokonoe) -> Wakabayashi Uuganbaatar Delgersaikhan (Minezaki) -> Torugawa Sakai Kanetoshi (Hanakago) -> Wakahizen Suzuki Takuya (Shikoroyama) -> Suzukiyama Takaira Satojiro (Sadogatake) -> Kototakaira Watanabe Kentaro (Sadogatake) -> Kotowatanabe Watanabe Yuki (Takadagawa) -> Ryuden Yamaguchi Yuya (Sadogatake) -> Kotoyamaguchi Yamamoto Masaki (Kasugano) -> Tochinoshima Some guys that are still iffy are Ajigawa-beya's Takahashi (there's already ex-college rikishi Takahashi in Makushita of course, and normally everybody in Ajigawa gets a proper shikona anyway), and the two Mori's...their case is a bit special, as they don't use the same kanji and they're pronounced differently (long o vs. short o). Let's hope the Kyokai doesn't throw a curveball here by allowing both to stay with that name. BTW, I suppose that shindeshi Sakurai Naori is the brother of Jonidan Nankaio (Sakurai Hiroki), seeing as they're both from Kagoshima and in Nakamura-beya? Edited March 26, 2006 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsukinowa 0 Posted March 29, 2006 (edited) BTW, I suppose that shindeshi Sakurai Naori is the brother of Jonidan Nankaio (Sakurai Hiroki), seeing as they're both from Kagoshima and in Nakamura-beya? According to Sumo magazine, Sakurai is the younger brother of Nankaio. Hirata is the brother of Jonidan Isonokuni. Masumiura is the brother of Jonidan Miura. Suzuki is the nephew of former Makushita Atsumi(Miyaginobeya). Honda is the son of former Makushita Asahizuru. Katagiri is the grandchild of former Ozeki Nayoroiwa. Tokoyama "Tokonao" is the cousin of Tokohide. Haru Basho Maezumo results Ichiban Shusse [1]Matsuoka [2]Shimizu [3]Koshimizu 2 o yoritaoshi Osanoumi 3 o yorikiri Omiyamoto 2 o yoritaoshi Kumagai 4 o yorikiri Ishimi 5 o uwatenage Kitagawa 4 o yoritaoshi Hirose [4]Matsutani [5]Tokitenryu [6]Maeyama 3 o yoritaoshi Sugaya 2 o uwatedashinage Tamura 3 o oshitaoshi Sugishita 5 o sukuinage Hashimoto 4 o uwatenage Tochinoshima 5 o hatakikomi Kotowatanabe [7]Takedani [8]Sakaizawa [9]Tochinoshin 2 o yorikiri Ryuden 3 o oshitaoshi Higuchi 2 o isamiashi Ikehara 4 o Tsukidashi Taniguchi 5 o okuritaoshi Takemoto 4 o utchari Mouri [10]Katagiri [11]Tochihiryu [12]Owada 3 o hikiotoshi Suzukiyama 2 o oshidashi Onoshima 3 o hatakikomi Igarashi 5 o oshitaoshi Masumiura 4 o hatakikomi Tsurunoumi 5 o uwatenage Kotonakano [13]Takahashi [14]Kitagawa 2 o oshidashi Tsuchiya 3 o oshidashi Takakagaya 4 o oshitaoshi Nishikawa 5 x uwatenage Shimizu 5 o oshidashi Kotookuda Edited March 30, 2006 by Tsukinowa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkgo 6 Posted March 30, 2006 Is there a possibility to find the complete Mae-Zumo results anywhere? Ginkgo Watching Hirata, Kotonakano, Matsuoka, Matsuura, Owada, Ryuden, Sakurai and Tamura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 43,744 Posted March 30, 2006 Haru Basho Maezumo results Ichiban Shusse [9]Tochinoshin 2 o isamiashi Ikehara 4 o utchari Mori Not ordinary kimarite for the new Georgian, isn't them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 107 Posted March 30, 2006 Haru Basho Maezumo results Ichiban Shusse [9]Tochinoshin 2 o isamiashi Ikehara 4 o utchari Mori Not ordinary kimarite for the new Georgian, isn't them? the isamiashi isn't good though .... he was prbably loosing the bout and got lucky. anyway.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsukinowa 0 Posted March 30, 2006 Niban Shusse [1]Osanoumi [2]Omiyamoto [3]Hirose 2 x yoritaoshi Matsuoka 3 x yorikiri Shimizu 2 o hikiotoshi Hirata 4 o yoritaoshi Daishoiwa 5 o oshidashi Kototakaira 4 x yoritaoshi Koshimizu 6 o yoritaoshi Ishimi 7 o sukuinage Kototakaira 6 o yoritaoshi Ryuden [4]Hashimoto [5]Tochinoshima [6]Matsuura 3 o uwatenage Matsuura 2 o yoritaoshi Torugawa 3 x uwatenage Hashimoto 5 x sukuinage Matsutani 4 x uwatenage Tokitenryu 5 o tsukitaoshi Kojima 7 o tsuridashi Takakagaya 6 o oshidashi Kumagai 7 o isamiashi Takemoto [7]Torugawa [8]Kotoyamaguchi [9]Ikehara 2 x yoritaoshi Tochinoshima 3 x shitatenage Takemoto 2 x isamiashi Tochinoshin 4 o yorikiri Tamura 5 o okuridashi Iwasa 4 o makiotoshi Kitazono 6 o uwatenage Taniguchi 7 o yorikiri Sugaya 6 o uwatenage Onoshima [10]Kotowatanabe [11]Mouri [12]Masumiura 3 o oshidashi Wakabayashi 2 o uwatenage Kitazono 3 o shitatehineri Suzuki 5 x hatakikomi Maeyama 4 x utchari Tochinoshin 5 x oshitaoshi Katagiri 7 o hikiotoshi Wakabayashi 6 o yorikiri tsurunoumi 7 o isamiashi Higuchi [13]Tsuchiya [14]Kotonakano [15]Takakagaya 2 x oshidashi Takahashi 3 o uwatenage Mishima 3 x oshidashi Kitagawa 4 o oshitaoshi Terasawa 5 x uwatenage Owada 5 o sukuinage Tsuji 6 o yoritaoshi Nishikawa 7 o makiotoshi Suzukiyama 7 x Tsuridashi Hashimoto 7 o Shitatedashinage Kotookuda [16]Ishimi [17]Kototakaira [18]Ryuden 2 o yoritaoshi Daishoiwa 3 - 2 x yorikiri Takedani 4 x yorikiri Matsuoka 5 x oshidashi Omiyamoto 4 o yorikiri Mori 6 x yoritaoshi Osanoumi 5 o yorikiri Mishima 6 x yoritaoshi Hirose 8 o okuridashi Hirata 7 x sukuinage Omiyamoto 8 o yoritaoshi Taniguchi 9 o yorikiri Takemoto [19]Tsuji [20]Kitazono [21]Wakabayashi 3 - 2 x uwatenage Mouri 3 x oshidashi Kotowatanabe 5 x sukuinage Takakagaya 4 x makiotoshi Ikehara 5 o yoritaoshi Igarashi 7 o oshidashi Sugishita 6 o oshidashi Tamura 7 x hikiotoshi Kotowatanabe 9 o oshidashi Sugaya 8 o yorikiri Kumagai 9 o oshidashi Igarashi [22]Onoshima [23]Kotookuda [24]Tsurunoumi 2 x oshidashi Tochihiryu 3 o okuridashi Nakamatsu 2 o yorikiri Sakai 4 o yoritaoshi Sakai 5 x oshidashi Kitagawa 4 x hatakikomi Tochihiryu 6 x uwatenage Ikehara 7 x shitatedashinage Takakagaya 6 x yorikiri Mouri 8 o yoritaoshi Sakai 9 o abisetaoshi Higuchi 8 o yoritaoshi Kadowaki [25]Nakamatsu [26]Hiratsuka [27]Suzukiyama 3 x okuridashi Okuda 2 - 3 x hikiotoshi Katagiri 5 x yorikiri Suzukiyama 4 - 5 o yorikiri Nakamatsu 7 o yorikiri Misima 6 o sukuinage Terasawa 7 x makiotoshi Kotonakano 9 o tsukite Suzuki 8 o yorikiri Nishikawa 9 o oshidashi Takemoto Sanban Shusse [1]Hirata [2]Takemoto [3]Taniguchi 2 x hikiotoshi Hirose 3 o shitatenage Kotoyamaguchi 2 o yorikiri Mori 4 x yorikiri Kumagai 5 x okuritaoshi Sakaizawa 4 x tsukidashi Takedani 6 o uwatenage Daishoiwa 7 x isamiashi Matsuura 6 x uwatenage Torugawa 8 x okuridashi Ishimi 9 x yorikiri Kototakaira 8 x yoritaoshi Ryuden 10 o yoritaoshi Daishoiwa 9 x oshidashi Suzukiyama 10 o yorikiri Tamura 11 o yorikiri Kojima [4]Suzuki [5]Kumagai [6]Igarashi 3 x shitatehineri Masumiura 2 x yoritaoshi Koshimizu 3 x hatakikomi Owada 5 x yoritaoshi Higuchi 4 o yorikiri Hirata 5 x yoritaoshi Wakabayashi 7 o uwatenage Iwasa 6 x oshidashi Tochinoshima 7 o tsukiotoshi Kojima 9 x tsukite Nakamatsu 8 x yorikiri Kitazono 9 x oshidashi Wakabayashi 11 o yorikiri Sugaya 10 o yorikiri Sakai 11 o yorikiri Mishima [7]Nishikawa [8]Kojima [9]Daishoiwa 2 x yorikiri Terasawa 3 - 2 x yoritaoshi Ishimi 4 o oshitaoshi Takahashi 5 x tsukitaoshi Matsuura 4 x yoritaoshi Osanoumi 6 o yoritaoshi Tsuchiya 7 x tsukiotoshi Igarashi 6 x uwatenage Hirata 8 o yorikiri Hiratsuka 9 o oshitaoshi Iwasa 8 o yorikiri Tamura 10 x yorikiri Kadowaki 11 x yorikiri Takemoto 10 x yoritaoshi Hirata 11 o tsukihiza Iwasa 10 o yorikiri Sakurai [10]Sugaya [11]Tamura [12]Mishima 3 x yoritaoshi Matutani 2 x uwatedashinage Tokitenryu 3 x uwatenage Kotonakano 5 o oshidashi Sugishita 4 x yorikiri Torugawa 5 x yorikiri Kototakaira 7 x yorikiri Kotoyamaguchi 6 x oshidashi Kitazono 7 x yorikiri Nakamatsu 9 x oshidashi Tsuji 8 x yorikiri Daishoiwa 9 o oshidashi Sugishita 11 x yorikiri Suzuki 8 o yorikiri Terasawa 11 x yorikiri Igarashi 11 o yoritaoshi Mishima 10 x yorikiri Taniguchi 11 x yoritaoshi Sugaya 10 o oshidashi Sakai [13]Mori [14]Iwasa [15]Sakurai 2 x yorikiri Taniguchi 3 - 2 - 4 x yorikiri Ryuden 5 x okuridashi Kotoyamaguchi 4 - 6 x sukuinage Kadowaki 7 x uwatenage Suzuki 6 x sukuinage Sakai 8 x uwatenage Sakurai 9 x oshitaoshi Kojima 8 o uwatenage Mori 11 o oshitaoshi Terasawa 11 o oshidashi Sugishita 10 x yorikiri Daishoiwa 11 o uwatehineri Kadowaki 11 x tsukihiza Kojima 10 o yorikiri Sakai [16]Sakai(Wakahizen) [17]Kadowaki [18]Higuchi 2 x yorikiri Tsurunoumi 2 - 3 x oshitaoshi Sakaizawa 4 x yoritaoshi Onoshima 4 - 5 o yoritaoshi Suzuki 6 o sukuinage Sakurai 6 o sukuinage Mori 7 x isamiashi Masumiura 8 x yoritaoshi Onoshima 8 x yoritaoshi Tsurunoumi 9 x abisetaoshi Kotookuda 10 x yorikiri Kumagai 10 x yorikiri Nishikawa 10 x oshidashi Tamura 10 x uwatehineri Mori 10 x yorikiri Sakurai [19]Terasawa [20]Sugishita 2 x yorikiri Nishikawa 3 x oshitaoshi Maeyama 4 x oshitaoshi Tsuchiya 5 x oshidashi Sugaya 6 x sukuinage Hiratsuka 7 x oshidashi Tsuji 8 x yorikiri Tamura 9 x oshidashi Mishima 10 x oshitaoshi Mori 11 o oshidashi Iwasa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oimeru 0 Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) [14]Iwasa 3 - 5 x okuridashi Kotoyamaguchi 7 x uwatenage Suzuki 9 x oshitaoshi Kojima 11 o oshidashi Sugishita 11 x tsukihiza Kojima [20]Sugishita 3 x oshitaoshi Maeyama 5 x oshidashi Sugaya 7 x oshidashi Tsuji 9 x oshidashi Mishima 11 o oshidashi Iwasa Either something is amiss here, or it's an example of a typical win-win situation (I am not worthy...) From the ordering I'm assuming Iwasa won it. Edited March 30, 2006 by Oimeru Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azumashida 1 Posted March 30, 2006 Last Thursday, day 12 of the basho, somewhere between Maeta's and Ikioi's bouts (high sandanme) I saw one of the three groups of mae-zumo deshi being presented to the audience. I naively thought it was the top guys but now have figured that it must be one of the other two groups (probably sanban shusse but I'm not quite sure). Anyway here's a picture I took: Can anyone confirm which of the groups it was? And when are the top mae-zumo guys usually presented? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,170 Posted March 30, 2006 Can anyone confirm which of the groups it was? And when are the top mae-zumo guys usually presented? On day 12 it should have been sanban shusse, as all of them finished mae-zumo by day 11. Ichiban shusse could have been day 6, as all of them finished mae-zumo by day 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azumashida 1 Posted March 30, 2006 On day 12 it should have been sanban shusse, as all of them finished mae-zumo by day 11. Ichiban shusse could have been day 6, as all of them finished mae-zumo by day 5. Thanks! It seems indeed to correspond when looking at the height and weight of Hirata, Takemoto, Taniguchi, Suzuki and Kumagai (1st row)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gusoyama 75 Posted March 30, 2006 Sanban Shusse [16]Sakai(Wakahizen) [17]Kadowaki [18]Higuchi 2 x yorikiri Tsurunoumi 2 - 3 x oshitaoshi Sakaizawa 4 x yoritaoshi Onoshima 4 - 5 o yoritaoshi Suzuki 6 o sukuinage Sakurai 6 o sukuinage Mori 7 x isamiashi Masumiura 8 x yoritaoshi Onoshima 8 x yoritaoshi Tsurunoumi 9 x abisetaoshi Kotookuda 10 x yorikiri Kumagai 10 x yorikiri Nishikawa 10 x oshidashi Tamura 10 x uwatehineri Mori 10 x yorikiri Sakurai [19]Terasawa [20]Sugishita 2 x yorikiri Nishikawa 3 x oshitaoshi Maeyama 4 x oshitaoshi Tsuchiya 5 x oshidashi Sugaya 6 x sukuinage Hiratsuka 7 x oshidashi Tsuji 8 x yorikiri Tamura 9 x oshidashi Mishima 10 x oshitaoshi Mori 11 o oshidashi Iwasa Do guys that perform THIS poorly at mae-zumo ever make it? Or is it pretty universal that if you have zero or even one win at your mae-zumo debut, you're doomed to mediocrity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,170 Posted March 30, 2006 Do guys that perform THIS poorly at mae-zumo ever make it? Or is it pretty universal that if you have zero or even one win at your mae-zumo debut, you're doomed to mediocrity? Difficult to say since mae-zumo stats (of the past) are diificult to have. Well, Hakuho started with a make-koshi in jonokuchi and he made it to ozeki so far, so I could even imagine a poor mae-zumo debut 'making it'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan 0 Posted March 30, 2006 Thanks for posting these, they're always interesting. QUOTE(Gusoyama @ Mar 30, 2006, 20:17) Do guys that perform THIS poorly at mae-zumo ever make it? Or is it pretty universal that if you have zero or even one win at your mae-zumo debut, you're doomed to mediocrity? If you look back, these guys are all, except Terasawa, within a few months of their 15th birthdays. There is a potential age gap of 7 years between oldest and youngest, surely the older guys must have a physical advantage until the youngsters develope the skills to cope with bigger tougher opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkgo 6 Posted March 30, 2006 Niban Shusse [1]Osanoumi [2]Omiyamoto 2 x yoritaoshi Matsuoka 3 x yorikiri Shimizu 4 o yoritaoshi Daishoiwa 5 o oshidashi Kototakaira 6 o yoritaoshi Ishimi 7 o sukuinage Kototakaira Many thanks for your postings. Just two more questions for the statistics (if it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 43,744 Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) Niban Shusse [1]Osanoumi [2]Omiyamoto 2 x yoritaoshi Matsuoka 3 x yorikiri Shimizu 4 o yoritaoshi Daishoiwa 5 o oshidashi Kototakaira 6 o yoritaoshi Ishimi 7 o sukuinage Kototakaira Many thanks for your postings. Just two more questions for the statistics (if it Edited March 30, 2006 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) Do guys that perform THIS poorly at mae-zumo ever make it? Or is it pretty universal that if you have zero or even one win at your mae-zumo debut, you're doomed to mediocrity?Not completely relevant to maezumo results, but I recall reading that one longtime Makuuchi rikishi (Aogiyama, I think?) started his career with an 0-7 in Jonokuchi.(Two minutes later) Ah, yes...it was in the Natsu 2002 banzuke topics (and I'm pretty sure somebody mentioned it on the SML upon Aogiyama's retirement, though I can't find that post at the moment):(Table 5) Makuuchi Division Debut Following an 0-7 Record at Makushita or Below (from July 1960) Rikishi Makuuchi Debut 0-7 Tournament Rikishi Makuuchi Debut 0-7 Tournament Tournament Rank Tournament Rank 1 Tochiazuma 3/67 3/64 Makushita #17 8 Tsunenoyama 3/91 5/82 Jonidan #24 2 Shirotayama 3/71 1/62 Sandanme #54 9 Daizen 11/91 3/82 Jonidan #52 3 Kitanoumi 1/72 3/68 Sandanme #20 10 Aogiyama 3/93 5/85 Jonokuchi #25 4 Onishiki 9/73 9/71 Makushita #6 11 Daishi 7/94 1/85 Jonidan #28 5 Tagaryu 5/82 11/76 Makushita #38 12 Kotoryu 7/96 5/93 Makushita #8 6 Minatoryu 7/86 5/78 Sandanme #60 13 Akinoshu 9/97 7/86 Sandanme #71 7 Kotoinazuma 11/87 11/79 Makushita #60 13 Akinoshu 9/97 3/91 Makushita #42 7 Kotoinazuma 11/87 9/81 Makushita #25 14 Hokutoriki 5/02 3/95 Jonidan #19 Some interesting names there, especially in the left-hand column. Edited March 30, 2006 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,239 Posted March 30, 2006 And which one of the two Mori-boys is called Mouri (= Niban Shusse 11), which one Mori (= Shanban Shusse 13)? Mouri is Mori Tatsuo, Mori is Mori Nobuyuki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonosuke 28 Posted March 30, 2006 The Sanban Shusse's Mori from Wakayama is with Tagonoura Beya and it is MORI while Niban Shusse's MoUri from Oita is with Muashigawa Beya. Actually they do have totally different kanjis - the first MORI is simply 森　as in a forest while the second is 毛利, the same as a Japanese astranaut or Motonari Mouri who was a well known Daimyo or Shogun during 1500. Generations of Mouri family controlled areas around Hiroshima and Motonari was a great strategist and had he lived longer, he could have defeated Hideyoshi Toyotomi during Japan's war torn strife era from 1400 to 1600. However he was a family man and lived to be 75 years old (even had a child when he was 71 years old). There is a well known story of him giving three arrows to his three sons at his deathbed. He picked up one and broke it. Then he told them if he put three arrows together and they were hard to break. He wanted to tell them it was more important to stay together and work together as brothers so that the family lines would continue and prosper rather than try to control the whole Japan and end up fighting with each other. Just getting back to Mae-zumo stats, I've been keeping track of them since the Hatsu Basho last year and hope to possibly to have them on SumoFanMag but it's gettting to be quite a work keeping up with all their records since their Mae-zumo basho. But one day soon I hope to be able to do so. I'd say roughly half of the new recruits from the last year's Hatsu and Haru are gone now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 578 Posted March 31, 2006 Some interesting names there, especially in the left-hand column. Yea one of my favorites is there and he had two 0-7 records and still made it to Makuuchi! I believe Kotoinazuma was a Komusubi for one tournament rather late in his career. (I am not worthy...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
