KaioU injured

[Kintamayama 47,222]

KaioU was injured today at keiko at Miyagino- another Tatsunami-Isegahama rengo session. In a bout against Hakuhou, he was yoritaoshied and could not get up for a while. Right inner thigh or something - 右太ももの裏側. "No way he can do any keiko now", said Tomozuna Oyakata. "KaioU told me he heard a snapping sound..", said Kyokutenhou who was there as well. Aki is looking questionable at the moment, but as we all know, this can change in a second.

Edited September 4, 2005 by Kintamayama

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

That is a damn thigh flexor tear I think. That is either kyujo or very fast recovery. In any case, a big big problem especially if he heard "snapping sound" and couldn't get up for a while. It is not possible to do sumo with such an injury. Kasugao has demostrated this on couple of occasions.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

They are now calling it a severe torn/pulled muscle injury. He had to lean on his tsukebito's shoulder after he finally got up. He will be seeing a doctor tomorrow, but didn't go to the hospital after the injury- instead, he was taken home. It's the first time injury-prone KaioU has this kind of injury.

Edited September 4, 2005 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,222]

His personal trainer, who came over to give him a massage: "I don't see how he can return to training. He is very disappointed. We'll have to wait a week and see how his muscle responds"..

[madorosumaru 7]

While being forced to dohyo edge during a moshiai with Hakuho, Kaio's body suddenly crumpled to the ground. His face distorted in pain, he grabbed his right thigh and wasn't able to stand for a spell. When he was finally able to tolerate the pain and get up, he was helped out of the keiko-ba by his tsukebito.

His trainer provided some on-site treatment and he was asked whether he was going to the hospital. "No, I won't be going today." He was heard to moan as he boarded an auto to be driven home, where he received further treatment from the trainer.

There will not be an official doctor's diagnosis until tomorrow (Sept. 5), but it appears to be a pulled or torn hamstring. In the worst case scenario, there is the possibility that he would have to miss Aki Basho. His shisho, Tomozuna Oyakata, who witnessed the incident, said, "He probably won't be doing any more keiko. I don't see why he shouldn't take the basho off." If that is the case, he will tie Chiyotaikai with his eighth kadoban, the most in history.

With the injury to Kaio who was getting into fighting shape, Asashoryu's sixth straight yusho became even more probable. Ozeki Tochiazuma has a sore left ankle and has not prepared sufficiently. As for Chiyotaikai, he has not even done any real keiko with his bad knee and ankle. The triumvirate of ozeki, supposed to stop the yokozuna, has been "annihilated" even before the battle has begun.

So far, Kaio's injuries have been to his shoulders, arms and hips. This is the first time he has suffered an injury to his thigh. It looks like there is yet another obstacle in the path of the ozeki who has overcome so many in his career.

Meanwhile, Asashoryu is progressing steadily in his preparations. This morning he limited himself to a walk around the Takasago Beya neighborhood and subsequently lending his chest for butsukari geiko by makushita rikishi. During the Soken, he showed some concern for a pain in his right hand, but he said, "The swelling has gone down. There's nothing to worry about. In any case, it's awfully muggy today." It looks like the weather is his only enemy.

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[madorosumaru 7]

Sankei Sports quotes a rather unsympathetic Tomozuna Oyakata: "It doesn't look like he can do any more keiko [before the basho]. He hasn't been doing regular keiko. This is the kind of thing that happens when one starts keiko [at the last minute] just before a basho."

[Kathy 0]

While being forced to dohyo edge during a moshiai with Hakuho, Kaio's body suddenly crumpled to the ground. His face distorted in pain, he grabbed his right thigh and wasn't able to stand for a spell.  When he was finally able to tolerate the pain and get up, he was helped out of the keiko-ba by his tsukebito.

His trainer provided some on-site treatment and he was asked whether he was going to the hospital.  "No, I won't be going today."  He was heard to moan as he boarded an auto to be driven home, where he received further treatment from the trainer.

There will not be an official doctor's diagnosis until tomorrow (Sept. 5), but it appears to be a pulled or torn hamstring.  In the worst case scenario, there is the possibility that he would have to miss Aki Basho.  His shisho, Tomozuna Oyakata, who witnessed the incident, said, "He probably won't be doing any more keiko. I don't see why he shouldn't take the basho off."  If that is the case, he will tie Chiyotaikai with his eighth kadoban, the most in history.

With the injury to Kaio who was getting into fighting shape, Asashoryu's sixth straight yusho became even more probable. Ozeki Tochiazuma has a sore left ankle and has not prepared sufficiently.  As for Chiyotaikai, he has not even done any real keiko with his bad knee and ankle.  The triumvirate of ozeki, supposed to stop the yokozuna, has been "annihilated" even before the battle has begun.

So far, Kaio's injuries have been to his shoulders, arms and hips. This is the first time he has suffered an injury to his thigh.  It looks like there is yet another obstacle in the path of the ozeki who has overcome so many in his career.

Meanwhile, Asashoryu is progressing steadily in his preparations.  This morning he limited himself to a walk around the Takasago Beya neighborhood and subsequently lending his chest for butsukari geiko by makushita rikishi.  During the Soken, he showed some concern for a pain in his right hand, but he said, "The swelling has gone down. There's nothing to worry about.  In any case, it's awfully muggy today."  It looks like the weather is his only enemy.

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[Kaiomitsuki 408]

There will not be an official doctor's diagnosis until tomorrow (Sept. 5)

What's up doc ?

Any news about Kaiou please ???

just need to know how bad is his injury ? (A sekitori...) :-(

[madorosumaru 7]

There will not be an official doctor's diagnosis until tomorrow (Sept. 5)

What's up doc ?

Any news about Kaiou please ???

just need to know how bad is his injury ? (A sekitori...) :-(

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I am in the US. I should have written tomorrow as 9/6 in Japan. It is now around 0230 Japan Time so there won't be any news for a while yet.

Edited September 5, 2005 by madorosumaru

[madorosumaru 7]

Latest report from Sports Nippon (9/6 0604)

As expected, Kaio did not show up for asa-geiko. He called his shisho and told him he would be absent. Tomozuna Oyakata said, "Not much you can do about what has happened. He'll [stay off the leg] for two or three days and see how much he has recovered."

He continued, "Considering his past experience, it could be possible for him to do sumo in a week. After all, the raison d'etre of a sumotori is to do sumo."

Ultimately, it would be up to Kaio to decide what to do.

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Sankei Sports (9/6 0806)

According to Tomozuna Oyakata, Kaio has contacted him and said the injury is a pulled hamstring. He is not going to the hospital but will, instead, rest at home for a few days.

Oyakata: "There is no need to make a big fuss over something like a pulled hamstring."

Edited September 6, 2005 by madorosumaru

[Kaiomitsuki 408]

Latest report from Sports Nippon (9/6 0604)

As expected, Kaio did not show up for asa-geiko.  He called his shisho and told him he would be absent.  Tomozuna Oyakata said, "Not much you can do about what has happened.  He'll [stay off the leg] for two or three days and see how much he has recovered."

He continued, "Considering his past experience, it could be possible for him to do sumo in a week.  After all, the raison d'etre of a sumotori is to do sumo."

Ultimately, it would be up to Kaio to decide what to do.

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Sankei Sports (9/6 0806)

According to Tomozuna Oyakata, Kaio has contacted him and said the injury is a pulled hamstring.  He is not going to the hospital but will, instead, rest at home for a few days.

Oyakata: "There is no need to make a big fuss over something like a pulled hamstring."

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Thank you Madorosumaru for this News

We'll just have to wait .... Kaiou will decide himself if he thinks he can fight for the Aki

I hope he could (Hugging...)

[jreprise 0]

GO KAIO HEAL HEAL HEALL!!! (Lifting weights...) Please heal hurrrry...

[sekitori 492]

>Oyakata: "There is no need to make a big fuss over something like a pulled hamstring."

There isn't? According to the website below, there are three grades of hamstring strain. Grade 1 consists of small micro tears of the hamstring. Grades 2 and 3 involve more serious tearing of the muscle. Grade 2 is a partial tear. Grade 3 is a complete rupture and thankfully it doesn't sound as if Kaio's injury is that severe. But even a grade 1 pull just a few days before the start of a basho can have an affect on his mobility. I would think that someone should be making a very big fuss and do everything possible to rehabilitate the muscle as quickly as possible.

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cyberthe...tringstrain.htm

[Kathy 0]

>Oyakata: "There is no need to make a big fuss over something like a pulled hamstring."

There isn't? According to the website below, there are three grades of hamstring strain. Grade 1 consists of small micro tears of the hamstring. Grades 2 and 3 involve more serious tearing of the muscle. Grade 2 is a partial tear. Grade 3 is a complete rupture and thankfully it doesn't sound as if Kaio's injury is that severe. But even a grade 1 pull just a few days before the start of a basho can have an affect on his mobility. I would think that someone should be making a very big fuss and do everything possible to rehabilitate the muscle as quickly as possible.

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cyberthe...tringstrain.htm

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I got a grade 2 hamstring tear 8/21/2005...for the first week, it was difficult to walk. I have been getting physical therapy 3 times a week and am doing much better. I have been off work since the accident and can't imagine if I had to participate in sports!

Kathy

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Doesn't look good. Over one month recovery time estimated. Kyujo not announced yet. The word "zetsubou" is not good when it is in reference to injury and written in headline 4 days before shonichi..

[Mattjila 0]

C'mon Kaiou. Just one loss and 14 days kyujo and my UDH will look good.

[sekitori 492]

Doesn't look good. Over one month recovery time estimated. Kyujo not announced yet. The word "zetsubou" is not good when it is in reference to injury and written in headline 4 days before shonichi..

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To me, Kaio and Kotonowaka exhibit a quiet dignity on the dohyo which very few rikishi seem to have. Kaio has had many severe physical problems but he still continues to do quite well and get the results expected from someone of his rank. Along with Tochiazuma, he has competed successfully coping with injuries and pain that many rikishi could not have tolerated . I feel terrible about this latest injury. I think it's the one type of problem he hasn't had--until now. When he retires and his highest rank is listed as ozeki, there should be a notation saying something like, "if even reasonably healthy--yokozuna".

If he is kyujo, the only good thing is that he'll still remain an ozeki for the Kyushu basho. Maybe he'll be recovered well enough to compete in a few days, but that seems very doubtful as of now. If he does compete, the one sure thing is that he will give it his best effort. If he's not ready for the Aki basho, I hope that he will be in good enough condition to go to Las Vegas. I very much look forward to seeing him there.

[madorosumaru 7]

This latest information is from Sports Hoichi (9/8 0802 JST):

It has been determined [by Hochi] on the 7th that Kaio's injured hamstring is torn and that it would take over a month for full recovery. The final decision whether he would participate in Aki Basho will be made after consultation with his oyakata before the Banzuke Cmte Meeting on the 9th. At this point, it appears it would be difficult for him to even enter during the middle of the basho.

Kaio injured himself during keiko on Sunday when the doctor's office was closed. He went home and was treated by the Kyokai traniner, Mr. Nakamoto. Since he was not ambulatory, he did not go to the hospital even after the 5th and continued treatment by Mr. Nakamoto. He is now scheduled for tests (MRI?) at the hospital on the 8th. Depending on the outcome of the tests, the injury may be deemed career-threatening.

According to Mr. Nakamoto, "His recovery is rapid. He can walk now. However, it is quite another thing for him to get on the dohyo and do sonkyo and such [by shonichi]."

[Sasanishiki 57]

OK, we might need to go to the medical experts on this one, but in what way is a hamstring tear "career threatening"? I can see how it might affect his career, and how it could keep him out of basho (which might lead to kadoban and then dropping from ozeki and then retirement...), but a hamstring tear by itself would not usually be deemed career threatening, would it?

[sekitori 492]

I don't understand this at all. He was injured on Sunday but didn't get immediate medical attention because "the doctor's office was closed"? Kaio had to wait because they couldn't find a doctor to treat him and even then, he didn't go to the hospital right away. And now there won't be further tests until three days later? That's amazing. If he was an American professional (or even college) athlete, he would have been in the hospital within an hour with a team of medical specialists checking out his condition. Whether immediate medical attention would have improved his prognosis is questionable, but waiting sure didn't help and it could have hindered his recovery.

I just can't believe that such a well known and highly respected athlete had to go through all of this. I know that handling pain is part of the sumo mentality, but doing virtually nothing to initially treat it is absolutely ridiculous.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

I just can't believe that such a well known and highly respected athlete had to go through all of this. I know that handling pain is part of the sumo mentality, but doing virtually nothing to initially treat it is absolutely ridiculous.

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Welcome to the reality that is medical attention , disclosure, etc.. etc.. surrounding Sumo. This is the norm.

[Kintamayama 47,222]

"I'm participating! Why else would I be wearing a mawashi ?? There are still three days .", said KaioU today. He was heavily taped and his movement was restricted, but he went for degeiko at Azumazeki today. "He intends to enter. I trust him.."added Tomozuna Oyakata.

Hakuhou has also said he will be entering Aki.

Edited September 8, 2005 by Kintamayama

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Welcome to the reality that is medical attention , disclosure, etc.. etc.. surrounding Sumo. This is the norm.

I don't buy this. Stupidity can't be a norm in ozumo even though some comments by oyakata sometimes suggest that. There is a clear benefit if you get ice immediately to muscle injuries and tendon injuries to prevent the initial reaction partly. No way in ozumo this would be different as it can shorten the recovery period.

I'm participating! Why else would I be wearing a mawashi ?? There are still three days .", said KaioU today. He was heavily taped and his movement was restricted, but he went for degeiko at Azumazeki today. "He intends to enter. I trust him.."added Tomozuna Oyakata.

Oh the joy of this (Nodding yes...) ...

Better take a significant extra dose of steroids and growth hormone now then to accelerate the healing process...

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

Welcome to the reality that is medical attention , disclosure, etc.. etc.. surrounding Sumo. This is the norm.

I don't buy this. Stupidity can't be a norm in ozumo even though some comments by oyakata sometimes suggest that. There is a clear benefit if you get ice immediately to muscle injuries and tendon injuries to prevent the initial reaction partly. No way in ozumo this would be different as it can shorten the recovery period.

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I'm pretty sure Moti is right. It's the same way in baseball in Japan, for example. Pitchers throwing well over a hundred pitches in a game, not icing the shoulder, and then pitching another game on just one day's rest or so (from what I've read in Whiting's books).

Things may be changing, in baseball and sumo, but this 'forging of the spirit' thing (while destroying the body) still seems to be quite prevalent...

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

'm pretty sure Moti is right. It's the same way in baseball in Japan, for example. Pitchers throwing well over a hundred pitches in a game, not icing the shoulder, and then pitching another game on just one day's rest or so (from what I've read in Whiting's books).

Things may be changing, in baseball and sumo, but this 'forging of the spirit' thing (while destroying the body) still seems to be quite prevalent...

Yes. In cases of going in keiko above all limits meaning to total exhaustion and true torture of the body. Now that is samurai spirit and persevering. Also if for example Tochiazuma takes a calculated risk with injured shoulder to take part is understandable and he knows the risks and goes for kachi koshi (if kadoban) or more. But to persevare with an injury that would benefit from treatment just by saying "treatment is not necessary", is simply extremely stupid. There is no sense in such behaviour and nothing to gain. Same thing if you would have a trash can in your room with paper in it and it would catch fire and you would think "Oh well, it is not so bad, it will burn out itself so nothing needs to be done" instead of putting out the fire and minimizing the damage of smoke and stuff. There should be some expected prospective gain when taking a risk.

Rikishi are allegedly so very careful at unofficial tournaments that they barely dare to make a decent tachi-ai and Kintamayamas and others then explain that "of course they don't want to get injured! Minimizing risks! It is not real sumo at all because rikishi don't go all out" and at the same time same rikishi would deliberately ignore proper initial injury treatment to minimize the damage. This equation defies logic and is as sound as a logic "Rikishi are jocks! They want women, money and booze! and they don't care how they achieve the success, henka or not henka! no principles in their sumo but to WIN and to get MONEY..BUT they don't take steroids of course to get there!". (Nodding yes...)