Jejima 1,479 Posted July 26 That has been the rule for a few years. I just copy and paste from previous editions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,520 Posted July 26 27 minutes ago, Jejima said: That has been the rule for a few years. I just copy and paste from previous editions. Sure, but in the past when our Kisenosato has gone kyujo, we've skipped straight to the next man up the following day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,479 Posted July 26 16 minutes ago, Sakura said: Sure, but in the past when our Kisenosato has gone kyujo, we've skipped straight to the next man up the following day. I recall that there was an occasion - and a good reason - when this rule was introduced. If I had time (I don't for the foreseeable future), I'd go back through the various editions of the game to see when and why the rule was introduced - but it is there somewhere, should anyone have the time of inclination to look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 646 Posted July 26 Nobody picked Kotoeiho, so it didn't matter for this one. Maybe that makes this a good time to decide how we want to handle these situations in the future. How it's been done before can be instructive, but if we put it to a vote and most people wanted it one way or the other, there's nothing wrong with just making that the rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 926 Posted July 26 4 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: Nobody picked Kotoeiho, so it didn't matter for this one. Aiming at one target and hitting another? That would be pure lottery (not to say that a usual day wasn't already a lottery this basho). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted July 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sakura said: I feel like in the past when there has been a kyujo announced around the deadline time, we've switched to the next rikishi up. What is different this time? Your perception is different, because this was day 14, and we never had our subject withdraw on day 14 before. Just imagine this was day 7 instead of day 14. Everybody would have made their guesses for day 8, and then the kyujo notice comes up shortly before or after the game's deadline with the torikumi for day 8 following a few moments later. Do you really expect all players to make new picks then? The only seemingly difference today was the delayed torikumi for day 15, but we don't treat the deadline differently for that day and the same rules apply. Edited July 26 by Jakusotsu I blame voice input! :-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,479 Posted July 26 (edited) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........... Really my mind should be on packing up the house. But..... As it is now an 'established' thing that the day 15 torikumi is delayed, and it can be expected that when the Makunouchi bouts are happening, we should be aware of 'the Ozumo world' - is it worth changing the rules to allow for a day 14 withdrawal to go straight to the alternative pick for day 15? It feels a little 'off' that our yusho can be won with the day 14 situation due to a kyujo...? What do others think? (This would be ONLY for a day 14 withdrawal and day 15 picks.) Edited July 26 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oshirokita 195 Posted July 26 Day 14 withdrawal should be treated same as any other day kyujo, however that is done. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted July 26 (edited) Personally I won't have any problems with that, but having less than six hours to make a new pick sounds unfair for players in "difficult" time zones. Edit: And when would that extended deadline end? Before the day 14 action starts or after all bouts are over? And what if the torikumi suddenly comes out at halftime like it used to be? Way too much of a hassle for a unique situation in my opinion... Edited July 26 by Jakusotsu 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 646 Posted July 26 If anything, it makes more sense to allow players to put in a pick for the next guy in line should the main focus of the game go kyujo. Some people might do it every time, some only if there's a clear risk of the focus going kyujo, but it would be an alternative to just kyujoing everybody that's also time zone irrelevant. In theory, picking the backup's match could be the new tiebreaker that's been discussed off and on. That would require people to make two picks per day, though, and I don't know if that's a good idea when we have such a small cohort participating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted July 26 Not a bad idea, but like you I'm not sure that everybody wants to commit even more. At worst we'd lose more players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 209 Posted July 26 So then are we picking Chiyoshomas Aite or calling it good? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andonishiki 171 Posted July 26 day 16 - Ursula von der Leyen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 332 Posted July 26 Alternative suggestion: allow for players to pick "kyujo" as an opponent if they think Kisenosato's going to withdraw, then switch to the next guy as before. I.e. here if people had thought that Ura's injury was bad enough to withdraw, they can guess that he will do so as 15. Kyujo. This might be a gimmie sometimes, but seems like a fine compromise if the annoucement timings are in the right place vs. our deadlines. (Asking people to pick between the fusen annoucement and the release of the torikumi is not on--someone's asleep somewhere during the matches.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakura 1,520 Posted July 27 6 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Your perception is different, because this was day 14, and we never had our subject withdraw on day 14 before. Just imagine this was day 7 instead of day 14. Everybody would have made their guesses for day 8, and then the kyujo notice comes up shortly before or after the game's deadline with the torikumi for day 8 following a few moments later. Do you really expect all players to make new picks then? The only seemingly difference today was the delayed torikumi for day 15, but we don't treat the deadline differently for that day and the same rules apply. If it;s just about the timing, how long before hand does a kyujo need to be announced to be for the new rikishi to kick in for the following day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted July 27 3 hours ago, Sakura said: If it;s just about the timing, how long before hand does a kyujo need to be announced to be for the new rikishi to kick in for the following day? Frankly, I'd say never, because I can't remember any kyujo being officially announced early enough. And it has to be official before we switch to avoid the confusion we'd have had with cases like Takerufuji whom everybody expected to withdraw on day 7 this basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,479 Posted July 27 Thank you for all the input, everyone. After some consideration, I think no need to change the rules. This event is so rare (first time ever?) that we do not need to complicate things to allow for it in the future. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kachikoshi 51 Posted July 28 Why is WAKATAKE still on the banzuke given he declared intai? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,479 Posted July 29 12 hours ago, Kachikoshi said: Why is WAKATAKE still on the banzuke given he declared intai? Good question..... I bet when you next look, he might not be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,321 Posted July 29 ..yet he still is On 27/07/2025 at 16:30, Jejima said: ************************************************************************ New Banzuke for September 2025 Sumo Spiffy (O1E 8-6-1) Y YO Gurowake (Y1E Kosho) Bunbukuchagama (O1W 6-8-1) O Jakusotsu (S1E 6-8-1) S1 Fashiriteta (S1W 6-8-1) Oshirokita (K1E 7-7-1) K1 Kachikoshi (K1W 6-7-2) shimodahito (M1W 5-4-6) M1 Profomisakari (M1E 4-1-10) Ryoshishokunin (M2E 5-4-6) M2 Andonishiki (M2W 5-6-4) Jejima (M3E Kosho) M3 WAKATAKE (M3W Intai) Hakuhonofan (M4E Kosho) M4 The Kyokai (M4W 4-10-1) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,479 Posted July 29 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: ..yet he still is Yes, I knew about this one. If you look quickly, you will see that I changed the banzuke results for the basho instead by accident - all on my phone, which is fiddly. I realised my error, but decided to wait until I was at my 'real' computer to correct the error, as it is quicker to do there. I'll correct it all in a few minutes Edit: All corrected now, I think.... Edited July 29 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
