GTB Natsu (May) 2021- and results!!

[Kintamayama 45,552]

Drrring drring.

Hak: "Now what? I'm in the middle of my rehabilitation poker game.. Does three of a kind beat a flush?"

Teru: "Boss, I'm back. I was expecting some kind of congrats.."

Hak: "Don't ever expect anything and you shall never be disappointed. Congrats for what?"

Teru: "My triumphant return to Ozeki of course, overcoming hardships etc. etc."

Hak: "Oh that.. so it finally happened, huh?"

Teru :" Yes, and you can sound a bit more empathic.."

Hak: "Well it doesn't really count does it, as I wasn't around to dame-oshi you out of the ring.."

Teru: "I am actually looking forward to facing you on the raised ring, sir. If and when you do return, old timer.."

Hak: "Big words.. you don't want to get on the wrong side of me, believe me."

Teru: "This isn't 2015 and I'm not afraid of you anymore. Nobody is. Changing of the guards and stuff.."

Hak: "You're lucky Kak isn't around any more - even he can still handle you, if this wasn't 2021.."

Teru: "Yeah, right.. don't forget I'm packing a ticking bomb. "

Hak: "And I have a deadly toe with ingrown toenails. See you in July, robot!"

Teru: "Unless i steal your glasses, old-timer!"

It goes on but I have to go buy groceries so another time, perhaps.

In actuality, this is an invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game!! 23 years, 137 bashos. Please play.

Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for getting no points. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied, we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. Those are the rules, and the rules will never be changed. Just like the dohyo will never be lowered. It's an axiom. 

For rules, standings and ceremonial fishmongering: http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

For the nifty entry form: http://sumodb.sumoga...b/GTBEntry.aspx

For the "new" archives: http://sumodb.sumoga...gtbarchive.aspx

See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx

Deadline: Monday, April 19th, 2021 at 18:00 GMT ("Get My Translations") - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Special thanks to Andoreasu who runs it, Doitsuyama who automates and maintains it and to Terunofuji who shone through the darkness of what was 2020.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,552]

I do not wish to disturb, but a disturbingly low number of players so far, and only 5 days to go till the line goes dead. Please enter HERE.  The site does tends to go down just as you plant to enter at the last minute, so don't..

[Kintamayama 45,552]

I found this one to be downright impossible. Terunofuji where? Before a makekoshi Shoudai? And extreme banzuke luck for kachikoshi lower rankers, or extreme good luck for the bad makekoshi guys? And Hokutofuji stays at M2 with a 9-6?? Or Wakatakakage becomes the fourth Komusubi so Hokutofuji can move up half a rank? Something has to click at some point but nothing clicks for me. Well, that's normal, but never like this.. (Do not reply till tomorrow..)

Edited April 18, 2021 by Kintamayama

[RaeucherLax 290]

Finally got myself to submit my entry and there's smoke coming from my ears :D expecting my lowest score ever :/

[Jakusotsu 6,052]

Looks like one major deciding factor will be where you put your Hidenoumi.

[Reonito 1,531]

15 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Wakatakakage becomes the fourth Komusubi so Hokutofuji can move up half a rank?

Who's the third Komusubi? 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Reonito

[Tigerboy1966 1,475]

20 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I found this one to be downright impossible

On several occasions, I said to myself "I can't put that guy THERE, but what's the alternative?"

[Kintamayama 45,552]

8 hours ago, Reonito said:

Who's the third Komusubi? 

I meant third..

[Reonito 1,531]

On 18/04/2021 at 03:26, Kintamayama said:

Terunofuji where? Before a makekoshi Shoudai? And extreme banzuke luck for kachikoshi lower rankers, or extreme good luck for the bad makekoshi guys? And Hokutofuji stays at M2 with a 9-6?? Or Wakatakakage becomes the fourth Komusubi so Hokutofuji can move up half a rank?

No, yes, yes, no, no.

[Wamahada 58]

1 minute ago, Reonito said:

No, yes, yes, no, no.

Agree!

[Gurowake 4,109]

I have it as GMT 2200 right now, so despite no one else posting their guess, I'll go ahead.

This is at least what I have on my spreadsheet.  I think I did the few adjustments I made between when I started to transfer it to the application form and when I finished.  Just so many things up in the air that I was still changing my mind as I was transferring it.

 

[Reonito 1,531]

I think my entry differs from this by 26 GTB points.

[Seiyashi 4,108]

The sanyaku's almost a no brainer but compared to Gurowake, of the 33 maegashira, I only have 10 bullseyes and 1 half rank. Everyone else is at least a rank off if not more.

I'm almost hoping the banzuke committee breaks out the sake this time too.

Edited April 20, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Gurowake 4,109]

31 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

I'm almost hoping the banzuke committee breaks out the sake this time too. 

I think that's the only way they're going to get through this.

Also, I did confirm that the above was what I submitted.  I'm scratching my head at a few things now, but it's what I submitted.

[Reonito 1,531]

I have 18 bullseyes and 4 "hits" in common with Gurowake, and wouldn't be too unhappy if those all turned out to be right.

[Asashosakari 19,688]

Deceptively similar to Gurowake's entry with only 10 minor differences (M1w/M2e, M7w-M8w, M9w/M10e, M13w-M14w):

Hakuho (Ye 2-1-12)       Y    ---
Asanoyama (O1w 10-5)     O1   Takakeisho (O2e 10-5)
Shodai (O1e 7-8)         O2   Terunofuji (Se 12-3 Y)
Takanosho (Se 8-7)       S    Takayasu (K1e 10-5)
Mitakeumi (K1w 8-7)      K    Daieisho (K2w 8-7)

Wakatakakage (M2w 10-5)  M1   Hokutofuji (M2e 9-6)
Meisei (M3e 10-5)        M2   Tobizaru (M8w 10-5)
Aoiyama (M12w 11-4)      M3   Chiyonokuni (M9e 8-5-2)
Kiribayama (M4e 7-8)     M4   Myogiryu (M4w 7-8)
Hoshoryu (M9w 8-7)       M5   Onosho (M1w 4-11)
Takarafuji (M1e 3-12)    M6   Ichinojo (M6w 7-8)
Tochinoshin (M7e 7-8)    M7   Shimanoumi (M3w 4-11)
Hidenoumi (M15w 10-5)    M8   Endo (M5e 5-5-5)
Kagayaki (M7w 6-9)       M9   Tamawashi (M6e 5-10)
Kotonowaka (M8e 6-9)     M10  Tsurugisho (M14w 9-6)
Terutsuyoshi (M13e 8-7)  M11  Chiyoshoma (M13w 8-7)
Kotoeko (M14e 8-7)       M12  Daiamami (M16w 9-6)
Akiseyama (M12e 7-8)     M13  Ryuden (M10w 6-9)
Chiyotairyu (M11e 6-9)   M14  Okinoumi (M5w 3-12)
Kaisei (M16e 8-7)        M15  Midorifuji (M10e 5-10)
Ishiura (J2e 9-6)        M16  Chiyomaru (J3e 9-6)
Akua (J1w 8-7)           M17  ---

Deceptively because I've just got the seemingly obvious ones the same, and nearly all the iffy ones different...

[Kaito 311]

Same as Asashosakari except M8 flipped (I could see Shimanoumi/Endo/Hidenoumi in any order), M9 flipped (I suspected I was going off book here and Kagayaki looks like he SHOULD go first, but it's close and I thought Tamawashi staying ahead made things work out a little nicer), and pretty different from M12W to M14W (I'd be pretty surprised if Okinoumi got the full demotion...I had him at M14E in the first draft, then M13E, and finally to M12W. Tough section though.)

[Asashosakari 19,688]

11 minutes ago, Kaito said:

Same as Asashosakari except M8 flipped (I could see Shimanoumi/Endo/Hidenoumi in any order)

I felt exactly the same there, and absent any real leads to go on I ended up giving a kyujo penalty of sorts to Endo (and implicitly a joi bonus to Shimanoumi I guess). We'll see.
 

11 minutes ago, Kaito said:

M9 flipped (I suspected I was going off book here and Kagayaki looks like he SHOULD go first, but it's close and I thought Tamawashi staying ahead made things work out a little nicer)

Yeah, your solution and Gurowake's do both make more sense stylistically by keeping same-score Kagayaki and Kotonowaka together. I'm betting on the committee's frequent lack of interest in maintaining anything like that.  

 

11 minutes ago, Kaito said:

and pretty different from M12W to M14W (I'd be pretty surprised if Okinoumi got the full demotion...I had him at M14E in the first draft, then M13E, and finally to M12W. Tough section though.)

That's probably the one area where my personal preferences came through most strongly; I just don't like the idea of 6-9's getting overdemoted to spare a much worse record. Of course they're frequently going the exact opposite way these days. Anybody have Okinoumi as high as M10w?

[Tigerboy1966 1,475]

I have a 29-3 match with Gurowake and a 36-0 (!) match with Asashosakari.

I think the three key wrestlers in this GTB are going to be Endo, Shimanoumi and Hidenoumi.

[Kintamayama 45,552]

So I guess my hunch that Takayasu will get the SE spot will not happen.. Other than that, surprisingly like Gurowake's and Asashosakari's with some flipping, which means it's going to be a tight race (except for another small matter such as Terunofuji before Shoudai as the wildest hunch..)

[Shatsume 118]

7 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Anybody have Okinoumi as high as M10w?

Not quite, I have him at M11e, but my guess is an absolute mess this time to be honest. 

Wild hunch: Hoshoryu above Chiyonokuni. 

[Reonito 1,531]

7 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

I have a 29-3 match with Gurowake and a 36-0 (!) match with Asashosakari.

I think the three key wrestlers in this GTB are going to be Endo, Shimanoumi and Hidenoumi.

Mine is closer to Asashosakari's also, though I went with Hidenoumi all the way up at 6e.

[Gurowake 4,109]

10 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Anybody have Okinoumi as high as M10w?

I certainly looked at the difference between where he and Takarafuji ended up, and was heavily considering him for a much higher spot, but I decided against it.

[Gurowake 4,109]

6 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

So I guess my hunch that Takayasu will get the SE spot will not happen.

There's only one "GTB entry" that matters, and we're not seeing it for a week.  We could just all be wrong like we were with Daieisho last basho.

[Wamahada 58]

16 hours ago, Reonito said:

Mine is closer to Asashosakari's also, though I went with Hidenoumi all the way up at 6e.

So did I. I also demoted the 4 top 7-8 wrestler by half a rank instead of remaining them at their previous rank. On Monday I will see whether this was a good idea.