Mark Buckton 1 Posted August 29, 2004 (edited) thought some German site recently posts the banzuke just after it is out. Looks like not so so here goes - no PC skills on my part so don't complain East Y - Asashoryu O1 Kaio O2 Musoyama S - Wakanosato K - Kyokutenho M1 Shimotori M2 Iwakiyama M3 Hakuho M4 Asasekiryu M5 Toyozakura M6 Hokutoriki M7 Takamisakari M8 Kotoryu M9 Kotonowaka M10 Futeno M11 Jumonji M12 Hayateumi M13 Tochisakae M14 Kotooshu M15 Roho M16 Aminishiki M17 Kitazakura West O1 Chiyotaikai O2 Tochiazuma S Miyabiyama K Kotomitsuki M1 Kokkai M2 Tamanoshima M3 Tochinonada M4 Tosanoumi M5 Dejima M6 Kakizoe M7 Takekaze M8 Tokitsuumi M9 Kaiho M10 Kyokushuzan M11 Buyuzan M12 Takanowaka M13 Otsukasa M14 Tamakasuga M15 Toyonoshima M16 Takanotsuru Juryo and fill ins on the way East Juryo 1 Kinkaiyama 2 Toki 3 Wakanoyama 4 Ama 5 Wakatoba 6 Harunoyama 7 Bushuyama 8 Ushiomaru 9 Gojoro 10 Daishodai 11 Haminishiki 12 Sumanonofuji 13 Kaido 14 Hakurozan West Juryo 1 Kasugao 2 Tokitenku 3 Hagiwara 4 Kasuganishiki 5 Kotoshogiku 6 Yotsukasa 7 Katayama 8 Asanowaka 9 Koubo 10 Juzan (always mix him with Kotobuki) 11 Chiyotenzan 12 Asofuji 13 14 Kotonomine And my checks Yoshiazuma - Mw6 (one behind Ichinotani) Shibuya - Sw2 Takanoyama - SdE28 (or so) Kosei - JdW25 or so Takaazuma - JdW75 or so Azumao - SdE3 Plus - 16 odd Mongolians in Makushita / 1 Chinese and Minaminoshima (Tonga) near the bottom (7 off) on the west side. From foreign rikishi positions looks like Kyushu will have no new foreign rikishi - reach Juryo even with a yusho. Jonokuchi seems to have just 1 foreign lad - Chinese - can't read the kanji but maybe Haku something Edited August 29, 2004 by Adachinoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted August 29, 2004 (edited) I was just as surprised it wasnt up yet. Here is a slightly different version (sorry Adachi for doing the job twice, but I had started to work on it when your first version turned up so I decided to finish it): East Makunouchi West Asashoryu Yokozuna Kaio Ozeki Chiyotaikai Musoyama Ozeki Tochiazuma Wakanosato Sekiwake Miyabiyama Kyokutenho Komusubi Kotomitsuki Shimotori Maegashira-1 Kokkai Iwakiyama Maegashira-2 Tamanoshima Hakuho Maegashira-3 Tochinonada Asasekiryu Maegashira-4 Tosanoumi Toyozakura Maegashira-5 Dejima Hokutoriki Maegashira-6 Kakizoe Takamisakari Maegashira-7 Takekaze Kotoryu Maegashira-8 Tokitsuumi Kotonowaka Maegashira-9 Kaiho Futeno Maegashira-10 Kyokushuzan Jumonji Maegashira-11 Buyuzan Hayateumi Maegashira-12 Takanowaka Tochisakae Maegashira-13 Otsukasa Kotooshu Maegashira-14 Tamakasuga Roho Maegashira-15 Toyonoshima Aminishiki Maegashira-16 Takanotsuru Kitazakura Maegashira-17 East Juryo West Kinkaiyama Juryo-1 Kasugao Toki Juryo-2 Tokitenku Wakanoyama Juryo-3 Hagiwara Ama Juryo-4 Kasuganishiki Wakatoba Juryo-5 Kotoshogiku Harunoyama Juryo-6 Yotsukasa Bushuyama Juryo-7 Katayama Ushiomaru Juryo-8 Asanowaka Gojoro Juryo-9 Kobo Daishodai Juryo-10 Juzan Hamanishiki Juryo-11 Chiyotenzan Sumanofuji Juryo-12 Asofuji Kaido Juryo-13 Wakakirin Hakurozan Juryo-14 Kotonomine East Makushita West Hochiyama Mak-1 Kotokasuga Maikaze Mak-2 Toyonokuni Ishiyama Mak-3 Wakakosho Kaishozan Mak-4 Tamaasuka Chiyohakuho Mak-5 Ichinotani Oikari Mak-6 Yoshiazuma Kotokanyu Mak-7 Senshuyama Masutsuyoshi Mak-8 Fujinoyama Daimanadzuru Mak-9 Kyokunankai Ryuo Mak-10 Munakata Fukkoyama Mak-11 Kaishoryu Fukuzono Mak-12 Tochinohana Daishoma Mak-13 Furuichi Kotokuni Mak-14 Tsurutaki Dairaido Mak-15 Kasugakuni Edited August 29, 2004 by Yubiquitoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted August 29, 2004 I was just as surprised it wasnt up yet.Here is a slightly different version (sorry Adachi for doing the job twice, but I had started to work on it when your first version turned up so I decided to finish it): No worries. Looks much better anyhow. What happened to the regular milkman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted August 30, 2004 So Kotomitsuki stayed at Komusubi after all. Not too many of us called that one. I guess the banzuke makers decided to go the conservative route this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted August 30, 2004 i'll tell you something, from the latter part of next year we are going to have the most exciting top half of makuuchi in a long time. kokkai kotooshu hakuho asashoryu and (hopefully) roho hagiwara futeno. the last few days of the tournaments will be special. kind of getting ahead of myself here though. :-) ...and Toyonoshima! I think everyone is eagerly anticipating the cream rising to the top :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucius Flavonius 0 Posted August 30, 2004 Hakuho got in E-M3? He should be E-M1, or at least, W-M1, or E-M2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted August 30, 2004 Anyone not yet convinced that guessing the banzuke involves black magic? At least I was right in guessing Shimotori over Kokkai over Hakuho. But Mickey as komusubi, now that was a surprise. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,392 Posted August 30, 2004 Many, many big surprises, one of them being the heap of cushions under the drops of Kotonowaka (3-12 as M2w) and Kotoryu (4-11 as M3e). Even Kyokushuzan (3-12 as M3w) went downwards only moderately in spite of being a gaijin, who were treated not very generously this time (Kokkai, Hakuho, Kotooshu...). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azumashida 1 Posted August 30, 2004 Many, many big surprises, one of them being the heap of cushions under the drops of Kotonowaka (3-12 as M2w) and Kotoryu (4-11 as M3e). Even Kyokushuzan (3-12 as M3w) went downwards only moderately in spite of being a gaijin, who were treated not very generously this time (Kokkai, Hakuho, Kotooshu...). I guess it's because it would have been too obvious to drop Shuzan more, since he's got the exact same score as Kotonowaka, from just one full rank below. They still managed to drop him slightly more than him though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,259 Posted August 30, 2004 Hakuho got in E-M3?He should be E-M1, or at least, W-M1, or E-M2? Seems you are not always on the correct side, eh? :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted August 30, 2004 Many, many big surprises, one of them being the heap of cushions under the drops of Kotonowaka (3-12 as M2w) and Kotoryu (4-11 as M3e). Even Kyokushuzan (3-12 as M3w) went downwards only moderately in spite of being a gaijin, who were treated not very generously this time (Kokkai, Hakuho, Kotooshu...). You can believe what you will, but fact is that all three (Kotoryu, Kotonowaka, Kyokushuzan) ended up at exactly the same spot as the latest precedence for each case. (In other words, last time we had a M3e with 4-11, he was dropped to M8e. And so on.) Takamisakari, Buyuzan and Jumonji were others with really bad banzuke luck. A M7w to M7e with 8-7 hasn't happened since 1960, for instance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted August 30, 2004 Osh is getting all the TV girlies excited on J-TV now - all the Beckham comments are coming out as you would expect - Roho - no mention. And who the... is Takanotsuru? Got to be beautiful to make it in Japan. Osh's bro was a wrestler in the Olympics BTW - same doe-eyed look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted August 31, 2004 Osh's bro was a wrestler in the Olympics BTW - same doe-eyed look. Really? I didn't know. Who is he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted August 31, 2004 Osh's bro was a wrestler in the Olympics BTW - same doe-eyed look. Are you sure? There doesn't seem to be anyone with the same surname in the bulgarian troop at least. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted August 31, 2004 Just repeating what the J TV said - and with footage of wrestling in the games the guy's face WAS Osh's. If it comes up again will listen closer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 535 Posted August 31, 2004 Anybody else spot the mistake in the banzuke topics this time? I wont tell you what it is but it is a rather obvious mistake so no prizes for spotting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted August 31, 2004 Osh's bro was a wrestler in the Olympics BTW - same doe-eyed look. Are you sure? There doesn't seem to be anyone with the same surname in the bulgarian troop at least. :-) Unless he is a gymnast! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted August 31, 2004 Unless he is a gymnast! Not rolling around on a mat laid on some other bloke'S back he wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted August 31, 2004 Why wasn't Hakuho higher than M3 with his 11-4 last time out? Differential put him up at M1, and he beat Kokkai, Shimotori and Tochiazuma to get it. And with the "cushioned drops" mentioned earlier, I wonder if there are "almost" set places for certain MK records from the high Maegashira ranks. How many times has the Kotoryu, Kotonowaka, Kyokushuzan thing happened before? I know from reading earlier it happened last time, but before that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted August 31, 2004 (edited) Why wasn't Hakuho higher than M3 with his 11-4 last time out? Differential put him up at M1, and he beat Kokkai, Shimotori and Tochiazuma to get it. It doesn't matter who he beat in compiling his record. When more than one rikishi is competing for the same spot in upper Maegashira land, the higher ranked ones will usually have the advantage. It's not very likely that a lower ranked KK rikishi from outside the meatgrinder will pass a higher ranked KK rikishi from inside the meatgrinder when both are competing for the same banzuke spot. You can make a case for him being at M2 (he probably should have passed Iwakiyama), but since the Kyokai went the conservative route with all the demotions, he had to settle for M3. Edited August 31, 2004 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted August 31, 2004 It doesn't matter at all? *Curses wasted 30 mins checking up on that in his last GTB guess* Why do the Kyokai change the severity of demotions some of the time? Is it because of where the ranking pile-ups are at each banzuke, or just because they feel like it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted August 31, 2004 Why do the Kyokai change the severity of demotions some of the time? Is it because of where the ranking pile-ups are at each banzuke, or just because they feel like it? I think that's why they're called the "Men in Black", because no one ever knows what they are thinking. (In a state of confusion...) But the whole banzuke was a big mess this time around, so I'd be willing to guess they went conservative just to save themselves from a big headache. (Sigh...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeokage 0 Posted August 31, 2004 I'd like to see them actually doing the decisions... spy cameras or something... (In a state of confusion...) I wonder if they use a computer to help speed up the decisions now like we probably did when playing GTB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amgaa99 0 Posted September 1, 2004 I am wanting too much that to see Hakuho vs Asashoryou. Hakuho vs Kokkai. Hakuho and Kokkai vs ozekies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted September 1, 2004 I wonder if they use a computer to help speed up the decisions now like we probably did when playing GTB. maybe this thread gives you a clue how the new banzuke is made Banzukemaking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
