Asashosakari 19,669 Posted January 28, 2016 (2015 here) Time to get this up and running for the year, especially as we've had our first graduation already. Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 11 Jonokuchi 5 East Jonokuchi 2 18-59 0.234 3-4 3-4 Isamufuji Isegahama Haru 2014 10 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 3 24-53 0.312 3-4 4-3 Ozaki Kasugano Aki 2014 8 Jonokuchi 6 West Jonidan 98 17-39 0.304 2-5 2-5 Fubu Musashigawa Natsu 2014 7 Jonokuchi 2 West Jonokuchi 2 14-31-11 0.311 3-4 2-5 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 0-0-7 --- Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 7 East Jonokuchi 7 10-27 0.270 2-5 1-6 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 11 West Jonokuchi 11 9-26 0.257 2-5 2-5 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 13 West Jonokuchi 11 10-25 0.286 1-6 3-4 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 14 East Jonokuchi 11 10-26 0.278 1-6 2-5 I'd try to link Isamufuji's KK-clinching bout, but it was a fusensho. :-) Perhaps just in time, too, as he had fallen from a 3-1 start to 3-3. Yamashita also seems to be on the upswing, posting his career-second 3-4 record two months after the first one. Still no potential KK-clinching bouts though as he was MK early both times before rallying a bit. And joining us for Haru basho: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2015.09 2015.11 2016.01 Kotokawai Sadogatake Nagoya 2015 3 Jonokuchi 4 East Jonokuchi 4 8-13 0.381 3-4 3-4 2-5 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasutera 258 Posted January 30, 2016 Having only JUST figured out what "the wall" is about, I'm not 100% sure what qualifies a rikishi for being a persistance watchee. Is it how long someone goes without getting a kachi-koshi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted January 30, 2016 A look at the new arrival tells me that it's 3 MKs to start to get on this list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,672 Posted January 30, 2016 Wasn't there some rikishi a while ago that had gone several years with MK before finally getting a 4-3 KK? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted January 30, 2016 WAKATAKE, on 29 Jan 2016 - 22:07, said:Wasn't there some rikishi a while ago that had gone several years with MK before finally getting a 4-3 KK? Moriurara is probably the best known one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted January 30, 2016 Azumayama was the most recent long-term dai-persister with around 5 years of initial MKs, although Moriurara had more like 6 years of them. Yamashita is now into dai-persister territory, and looks close to graduating, but Azumayama had back-to-back 3-4s 14 basho into his career and it took longer than that afterwards to finally get a 4-3. He's still not beating the other persisters often enough, and obviously has no chance against anyone with any bit of skill. Fubu is 1-4 against Yamashita, and has already come back from an injury, so he might just be a good candidate for really toughing it out long-term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginkgo 6 Posted January 31, 2016 Not to forget Sugishita, who never won a single fight (one fusensho) including Mae-zumo. He starts in his Mae-zumo group with Toshinoshin, Shohozan, Nishikigi, Ryuden and Tochihiryu (without meeting one of them) and lost his fight against Moriurara, the dai-persister formerly known as Morikawa. It´s definitely not the longest mk-career, but maybe the most frustrating, more than one year without any sense of achievement. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted March 21, 2016 Haru basho through nakabi: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 11 Jonidan 97 West Jonidan 97 20-61 0.247 3-4 2-2 Tochidaiho Kasugano Aki 2014 8 Jonokuchi 7 East Jonidan 98 19-41 0.317 2-5 2-2 Fubu Musashigawa Natsu 2014 8 Jonokuchi 5 East Jonokuchi 2 14-35-11 0.286 2-5 0-4 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 5 West Jonokuchi 5 12-27 0.308 3-4 2-2 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 8 West Jonokuchi 8 10-29 0.256 2-5 1-3 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 9 11-29 0.275 2-5 1-3 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 5 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 7 11-30 0.268 1-6 1-3 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 --- --- Kotokawai Sadogatake Nagoya 2015 3 Jonokuchi 6 East Jonokuchi 4 10-15 0.400 2-5 2-2 Tochidaiho was previously known as Ozaki. Yamashita got an unexpected 3-4 promotion to jonidan after Hatsu, making his debut in the not-lowest division. Potential - or in one case already actual - applicants this basho are Hanashi and Hattorizakura. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jyuunomori 226 Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Poor Hattorizakura. He need to get fed, fed a lot! He has the height without the weight. But he is young so maybe? Let's hope he doesn't lose his guts. Hanashi however got tired of being pushed around and is now 4-1. Cheers to him. Edited March 21, 2016 by Jyuunomori Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,109 Posted March 21, 2016 Yamashita at 3-2 in his Jonidan debut. Wasn't there someone else that managed their first KK in their Jonidan debut? The bottom of Jonidan is probably easier than the middle of Jonokuchi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,761 Posted March 21, 2016 Yamashita at 3-2 in his Jonidan debut. Wasn't there someone else that managed their first KK in their Jonidan debut? The bottom of Jonidan is probably easier than the middle of Jonokuchi. Yes, Sekizuka in Natsu last year. Funnily enough, he's back at the same rank this basho but is already make-koshi. :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted March 21, 2016 Poor Hattorizakura. He need to get fed, fed a lot! He has the height without the weight. But he is young so maybe? Let's hope he doesn't lose his guts.Shikihide-beya is pretty much Persistence Central these days, due to the shisho's recruiting policy of taking anyone who likes sumo, regardless of competitive potential. So if anything, Hattorizakura is in the one place where even 20 straight losses probably make no difference to the support he's receiving. :-) (How oddly appropriate that I've got the shisho in my avatar, now that I think about it...) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jyuunomori 226 Posted March 22, 2016 Poor Hattorizakura. He need to get fed, fed a lot! He has the height without the weight. But he is young so maybe? Let's hope he doesn't lose his guts.Shikihide-beya is pretty much Persistence Central these days, due to the shisho's recruiting policy of taking anyone who likes sumo, regardless of competitive potential. So if anything, Hattorizakura is in the one place where even 20 straight losses probably make no difference to the support he's receiving. :-)(How oddly appropriate that I've got the shisho in my avatar, now that I think about it...) To be honest that attitude is great from the shisho's side. One can not know the extenct of persons potential without giving them a try. And there is the argument that liking Sumo is enough to become a fine rikishi, regardless of success. And now the meanest thing to say, though it is true: ''Champion's Road is paved on crushed rikishi, and only a few can walk that road while most become stones on the road to support those few who could.'' So these average rikishi are needed, so to say. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted March 26, 2016 Alas, Yamashita couldn't hang on and has dropped from 3-2 to another makekoshi. Will certainly be enough to stick in jonidan for another basho though, what with the shindeshi flood (okay, it's not 1992..."shindeshi wave" maybe) coming. Kushibiki had improved to 3-2 to start the second week as well, but also failed to power through. However, Tochidaiho saves the day! 4-3 victory over career persister Momochizakura today, congrats! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted May 17, 2016 The belated Haru final standings: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 12 Jonidan 97 West Jonidan 97 21-63 0.250 3-4 3-4 Tochidaiho Kasugano Aki 2014 8 Jonokuchi 7 East Jonidan 98 21-42 0.333 2-5 4-3 Fubu Musashigawa Natsu 2014 8 Jonokuchi 5 East Jonokuchi 2 14-38-11 0.269 2-5 0-7 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 6 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 7 12-32 0.273 1-6 2-5 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 6 Jonokuchi 8 West Jonokuchi 8 11-31 0.262 2-5 2-5 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 6 Jonokuchi 5 West Jonokuchi 5 13-29 0.310 3-4 3-4 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 6 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 9 11-32 0.256 2-5 1-6 Kotokawai Sadogatake Nagoya 2015 4 Jonokuchi 6 East Jonokuchi 4 11-17 0.393 2-5 3-4 Tochidaiho's shikona change was one that actually served to turn a guy's fortunes around. He wasn't the only one to get a promotion to jonidan for Natsu basho though, as all the 3-4's were also bumped up to make room for the incoming shindeshi class. Hanashi easily avoided joining the Watch with 5 wins, while Hattorizakura wasn't quite so successful: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2015.11 2016.01 2016.03 Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 3 Jonokuchi 22 East Jonokuchi 22 0-20-1 0.000 0-7 0-6-1 0-7 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Onward with some Natsu news, and the most natsu of them might be that Hattorizakura finally won a bout on Day 6, beating rookie Sawanofuji who looks like he might be taking the same path into our waiting arms soon. Fubu, who also zenpai'ed in March, is making the most of his current ranking at the very bottom of sumo as well, and stands at 3-2. But most importantly we already have an upcoming graduation to celebrate, as Kotokawai has raced out to a 4-1 record with the KK-clinching win having come earlier today. Congrats! There will be a new arrival as well, courtesy of this basho's only potential applicant Asahinishiki who picked up his third makekoshi yesterday. Other than Fubu only Asatatsuke is currently still battling for his kachikoshi, the rest of the club have already assured their continued participation in this thread. Edited May 17, 2016 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Fubu! He'll be the only other graduate for the basho after Kotokawai; Asatatsuke fell to makekoshi on Day 11. (Late edit for stupidity.) Edited May 26, 2016 by Asashosakari 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robnplunder 976 Posted May 21, 2016 Onward with some Natsu news, and the most natsu of them might be that Hattorizakura finally won a bout on Day 6, beating rookie Sawanofuji who looks like he might be taking the same path into our waiting arms soon. I saw his matches and I am a bit puzzled why he is still in sumo. He is persistent for sure. Others would have quit after 1st or 2nd basho. For those who haven't seen him action, check him out and you'd know what I mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted May 26, 2016 Natsu final standings: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 13 Jonidan 97 East Jonidan 97 23-68 0.253 3-4 2-5 Fubu Musashigawa Natsu 2014 8 Jonokuchi 29 West Jonokuchi 2 18-41-11 0.305 0-7 4-3 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 1 West Jonokuchi 1 15-36 0.294 2-5 3-4 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 1 East Jonokuchi 1 12-37 0.245 2-5 1-6 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 7 Jonidan 99 West Jonidan 99 15-34 0.306 3-4 2-5 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 3 West Jonokuchi 3 14-36 0.280 1-6 3-4 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Kotokawai Sadogatake Nagoya 2015 4 Jonidan 100 East Jonidan 100 16-19 0.457 3-4 5-2 Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 4 Jonokuchi 30 East Jonokuchi 22 1-26-1 0.037 0-7 1-6 Congrats again to Kotokawai and Fubu. :-) All active members should be back to being jonokuchi-ranked next basho, I don't think Yamashita and Kushibiki will be able to stick in jonidan with their 2-5's. And the new arrival: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% 2016.01 2016.03 2016.05 Asahinishiki Oguruma Kyushu 2015 3 Jonokuchi 4 West Jonokuchi 4 3-15-3 0.167 1-6 1-3-3 1-6 He'll probably be with us for a while, given that career start. There won't be any potential joinees in July as the new recruits who started off MK in March all escaped with a kachikoshi in Natsu, except for one guy who was absent altogether. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted July 10, 2016 Lineup for Nagoya basho: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho Yamashita Matsugane Haru 2014 13 Jonokuchi 1 East Jonidan 97 23-68 0.253 2-5 Hanai Isenoumi Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 2 East Jonokuchi 1 15-36 0.294 3-4 Asatatsuke Takasago Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 2 West Jonokuchi 2 14-36 0.280 3-4 Kushibiki Shikihide Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 3 East Jonidan 99 15-34 0.306 2-5 Fukuminato Minato Haru 2015 7 Jonokuchi 15 East Jonokuchi 1 12-37 0.245 1-6 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 4 Jonokuchi 18 East Jonokuchi 18 1-26-1 0.037 1-6 Asahinishiki Oguruma Kyushu 2015 3 Jonokuchi 16 East Jonokuchi 4 3-15-3 0.167 1-6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sadanoumi_is_my_favorite 8 Posted July 15, 2016 Is the persistence watch for all rikishi on MK streaks, or only those in Jd/Jk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morningstar 118 Posted July 15, 2016 I believe it is for those who have never had a KK. One they get a KK, they are off the list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted July 19, 2016 Quick Day 10 roundup as the basho is heading home: We've got one KK hopeful in Fukuminato who in fact started the tournament 3-1 and already had his first (unsuccessful) KK clincher yesterday. Also not yet makekoshi are Asatatsuke at 2-3, and Asahinishiki at 2-2-1 having missed the first four days, one miss resulting in a fusen loss. Incidentally, his second win also came via fusen, making him the first rikishi since Chiyootori in Hatsu 2015 to both win and lose by default in the same basho, and the first in the lower divisions in 5 years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Given the earlier question about non-rookie rikishi on MK streaks, I suppose we could at least make mention of those hapless souls who are currently in double-digit territory: Nearly 40-year-old Momochizakura, who never was an official persister (courtesy of a KK in his second tournament) but has had countless MK streaks is on another one right now, which has run to 12 basho - but he's 3-2 right now and might actually end it. And then there's former dai-persister (12 basho) Higohikari who fell to 0-4 on nakabi for his 10th straight MK. Nobody else is anywhere close; in fact, the next-longest run before the basho was the 7 MK streak by Kitataiki in the paid ranks! In general, MK streaks longer than about 5 basho are very rare in the lower divisions because most rikishi soon encounter beatable opposition again on the way down. Edit: It does look as though one rather persisty rikishi escaped our grasp - Shimakaze went 4-3 with a final-bout victory in his debut, but has since amassed 7 straight MK. Edited July 19, 2016 by Asashosakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,669 Posted July 21, 2016 Fukuminato! The two Asas are makekoshi now, unfortunately, so nobody to watch for the final round of bouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
