Sumo Reference Updates

[Gurowake 4,164]

8 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

It looks like SumoDB's security certificate has expired...

 

Chrome will let me click through its warning about the site not being secure, but it takes an additional 2 clicks every single web page.  Rather annoying.

 

1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

I get the Warning page in Firefox, but not in Safari.

My guess is Safari doesn't care about your privacy and security at all.

[Bunbukuchagama 998]

4 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Chrome will let me click through its warning about the site not being secure, but it takes an additional 2 clicks every single web page.  Rather annoying.

Same  for me on Edge. Those 2 extra clicks make the whole experience an exercise in patience.

[Bunbukuchagama 998]

Apparently, removing the "s" from "https" (thus turning it into "http") in the link helps.

Edited September 18 by Bunbukuchagama

[Fashiritētā 215]

Removing the S from https works, thank you

[Yamanashi 4,091]

7 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Chrome will let me click through its warning about the site not being secure, but it takes an additional 2 clicks every single web page.  Rather annoying.

 

My guess is Safari doesn't care about your privacy and security at all.

TBF, Firefox also allows access after two clicks; I have a very ancient version of Safari (just there for emergency backup and because it's Apple) and it says "Not Secure" but still loads.

[specialweek 2 138]

So has this site become unusable?

[Bunbukuchagama 998]

22 minutes ago, specialweek 2 said:

So has this site become unusable?

It's down compelety at the moment (not because of the certificate, I assume). 

[Asashosakari 20,323]

A father-son name verification/correction:

Ononishiki - ja.wiki confirms Ikegawa as the surname reading, but says the given name is read Yoshio よしお.
Fuyomine - that same article confirms Kiyotaka as the son's given name reading; I would assume that also goes for the time that we have it as part of his shikona.

[Chiyotasuke 319]

Hoshoryu's Aki 2025 should say jun-yusho 4th, not 3rd

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12451

[Asashosakari 20,323]

Mitoryu only 0-0-3 and yasumi to Day 5: https://sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/hoshitori/3/1/

[Faustonowaka 162]

Hoshoryu is Y1wYO 

Edited October 29 by Faustonowaka

[Pyapuchuuhou 10]

I recently came across pictures that appear to be results and makuuchi matches from the 1906 Haru basho - link to the gallery.
Unfortunately, the full image has terrible resolution, and the detailed image is not complete. But I guess it's better than nothing.

I tried to write down everything I could:
Hitachiyama: Tamatsubaki(W), Taninokawa(W), Midorishima(W), Kaizan(W), Inasegawa(W), Taninooto(W), Tachiyama(W), Kunimiyama(W), Umegatani(W)
Komagatake: Onikado(W), Midorishima(L), Wakazakura(W), Ariake(W), Kaizan(W), Tachiyama(W), Kunimiyama(W), Umegatani(D), Ozutsu(D)
Araiwa: Kiryuzan(W), Tamatsubaki(L)
Tachiyama: Ominato(W), Sakahoko(W), Fujimidake(W), ?(W), Koyanagi(W), Komagatake(L), Hitachiyama(L), Asashio(W)
Kunimiyama: Kabuto(W), Naminooto(W), Amagasaki(W), Koyanagi(W), Ryogoku(W), Asashio(W), Komagatake(L), Hitachiyama(L), Inagawa(W)
Umegatani: Naminooto(W), Kabuto(W), Koyanagi(W), Amagasaki(W), Fujimidake(W), Inagawa(W), Asashio(W), Komagatake(D), Hitachiyama(L)
Asashio: Kaizan(D), Onikado(W), ?, Wakazakura(W), Ariake(L), Kunimiyama(L), Umegatani(L), ?, Tachiyama(L)
Ariake: Ryogoku(W), Koyanagi(L), Sakahoko(L), Komagatake(L), Asashio(W), ?, Kabuto(W), Ominato(W), Amagasaki(L)
Inasegawa: Fujimidake(D), Otozaki(L), Ominato(D), Sakahoko(D), Hitachiyama(L), Koyanagi(D), Ozutsu(W), Atariya(D), Naminooto(D)
Wakazakura: Inagawa(W), Ryogoku(W), Komagatake(L), Asashio(L), Naminooto(L), Amagasaki(L), Sakahoko(L), Kabuto(L), Orochigata(D)
Inagawa: Wakazakura(L), Kaizan(W), Taninokawa(W), Tsurugahama(L), Taninooto(L), Umegatani(L), Ozutsu(D), Tachiyama(L), Kunimiyama(L)
Ryogoku: Ariake(L), Wakazakura(L), Onikado(W), Tachiyama(L), Kunimiyama(L), Ozutsu(D), Taninooto(L), Tamatsubaki(D), Tsurugahama(L)
Fujimidake: Inasegawa(D), Nishikinada(L), Tachiyama(L), Taninokawa(W), Umegatani(L), Ariake(L), Tamatsubaki(D), Taninooto(D), Midorishima(D)
Amagasaki: Tsurugahama(W), Osaki(W), Kunimiyama(L), Umegatani(L), ?, Wakazakura(W), Onigatani(L), ?, Ariake(W)
Koyanagi: Taninooto(L), Ariake(W), Umegatani(L), Kunimiyama(L), Tachiyama(L), Inasegawa(D), Midorishima(L), Osaki(L), Onigatani(W)
Otozaki: Shiunryu(W), Inasegawa(L), Onigatani(W), Tamatsubaki(L), Taninokawa(L), Kiryuzan(W), Onikado(L), Tsurugahama(D), Taninooto(W)
Kabuto: Kunimiyama(L), Umegatani(L), Taninooto(W), Ozutsu(D), Tsurugahama(L), Kaizan(L), Ariake(L), Wakazakura(W), Taninokawa(W)
Naminooto: Umegatani(L), Kunimiyama(L), ?, ?, Wakazakura(W), Midorishima(W), Isenohama(L), Kiryuzan(W), Inasegawa(D)
Kiryuzan: Araiwa(L), Asashio(L), Orochigata(W), Atariya(L), Ominato(L), Otozaki(L), Shiunryu(W), Naminooto(L), Sakahoko(L)
Taninokawa: Isenohama(L), Hitachiyama(L), Inagawa(L), Fujimidake(L), Otozaki(W), Sakahoko(L), Atariya(W), Orochigata(D), Kabuto(L)
Midorishima: ?, Komagatake(W), Hitachiyama(L), Ominato(L), Sakahoko(L), ?, ?, Arimura(L), Fujimidake(D)

 

Obviously, I may have made some errors, could someone double-check? Maybe we could add it to SumoDB, as there are no matches from this tournament in the database.

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

On 09/11/2025 at 17:24, Pyapuchuuhou said:

I recently came across pictures that appear to be results and makuuchi matches from the 1906 Haru basho - link to the gallery.
Unfortunately, the full image has terrible resolution, and the detailed image is not complete. But I guess it's better than nothing.

I'm not a fan of adding isolated stuff to the DB as you can see in the stats: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Basho.aspx

It's a lot of work, especially when more stuff gets added later. If we can find continuous stuff of several basho in that time frame, that would be fine to add I think.

Edited November 12 by Doitsuyama

[Pyapuchuuhou 10]

I can provide more data if I commit myself to it - though it will take some time. Do you have a preferred format that would make it easier for you to process?

Edited November 12 by Pyapuchuuhou

[Asashosakari 20,323]

A bit of an odd one:  Querying for makuuchi yusho playoff participants in Nagoya 2023 only gives loser Hokutofuji as a result but not winner Hoshoryu (torikumi).

Edited November 12 by Asashosakari

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

23 hours ago, Pyapuchuuhou said:

I can provide more data if I commit myself to it - though it will take some time. Do you have a preferred format that would make it easier for you to process?

Well, Excel or a Google sheet with one match per row would be best. Or just text here of course with lines like

190601 1 Hitachiyama Tamatsubaki W

and so on (only once per match, not from both rikishi's perspectives), that's easy enough to import in Excel.

But what do you mean with "more data"? Are there more basho available like this?

[Pyapuchuuhou 10]

Thank you, using excel/google sheet sounds reasonable to me.

Yes, there are more basho available, but they need to be scraped one-by-one, which takes some time and is a bit error-prone. However, I'll go into it and once I have a reasonable amount of data, I will share it here with everyone.

[Asashosakari 20,323]

At the risk of interfering with a worthwhile project - isn't this data already available in digital form on https://sumo-hositori.com/? (Haru 1906)

[Pyapuchuuhou 10]

If that's the case, the data can be scraped using a simple script (with some workarounds, as this is not the ideal way to present the data). For example 1909.01, the first missing basho in the database.

Format: Basho_id Day Wrestler1 Wrestler2 Result
Result: W=win, L=lose, D=draw, H=hold, A=absent

The only question is whether the kanji from this site matches the kanji in the database.

Edit - I realized that rikishi with 4 (or more) characters in their shikona are shortened when listed as opponents (e.g. 伊勢ノ濱 becomes 伊勢濱). This creates another set of unwanted duplicates, so I needed to fix it.

 

data_190901.txt

Edited November 15 by Pyapuchuuhou

[Pyapuchuuhou 10]

So, here is the zip file containing all the missing basho from the Meiji era: from 1909.01 back to 1868.11. When I saw names like Kimenzan or Shiranui, I took it as a sign that this is enough for now.

The archive includes one file (combined_output.txt) with every match, and individual files for each basho. I tried to sanitize the data in every possible way (though it’s still possible I missed something).

Total:
- 81 basho
- 16665 matches

@Doitsuyama - I can provide you with a google sheet containing every match privately. Of course, I don’t expect you to process it anytime soon, but if you eventually decide to take a look, please feel free to contact me. I’ll try to help if you run into any issues with this data.

meiji_matches.zip

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

13 minutes ago, Pyapuchuuhou said:

So, here is the zip file containing all the missing basho from the Meiji era: from 1909.01 back to 1868.11. When I saw names like Kimenzan or Shiranui, I took it as a sign that this is enough for now.

The archive includes one file (combined_output.txt) with every match, and individual files for each basho. I tried to sanitize the data in every possible way (though it’s still possible I missed something).

Total:
- 81 basho
- 16665 matches

@Doitsuyama - I can provide you with a google sheet containing every match privately. Of course, I don’t expect you to process it anytime soon, but if you eventually decide to take a look, please feel free to contact me. I’ll try to help if you run into any issues with this data.

meiji_matches.zip

That file is easily imported to a sheet, thanks. Processing it will need a while, but I will import it to the DB.

[Asashosakari 20,323]

Wrong win-loss score here for Futatsukuba after his 1998.09 Day 12 bout (the outcome itself is correct), should be 4-3 rather than 5-2: Link

Edited November 19 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 20,323]

I was just scouring the DB for the youngest-debuting rikishi listed in it, and came across a guy that we briefly talked about a few years ago when the same topic came up (name bolding not in original posts):

On 26/07/2021 at 21:31, Yubinhaad said:

On 25/07/2021 at 23:23, Asashosakari said:

Kitanoumi was 13, to cite a prominent younger example. That wasn't that unusual before the government started to require that the Kyokai only accept applicants who had finished compulsory education (i.e. middle school 9th grade) in 1972. If you trust the data, the youngest modern era debutants listed in the DB are a pair of 11-year-olds (Kinunishiki and Shionosato), plus a handful of age 12 rookies.

No idea about Kinunishiki, but I don't think Shionosato's birthdate is correct. Looking around last night I found this profile which gives his age as 19 (if the database has it right, then he retired at 17). I can't know for sure what information points 7 and 8 are, but perhaps reasonable to assume they are his results in 1958.09 (8-0) and 1958.11 (4-4)?

 

I have to say that even though a debut at age 11 was possible in that era, his results strain credulity. As the DB has it, he would have gone 8-0 in jonidan and progressed through most of sandanme as a 12-year-old. It's unfortunate that the profile Yubinhaad turned up back then doesn't have the full birthdate, but age 19 certainly looks a lot more believable. Maybe the original source material is still available that the alleged 1946 birthyear came from?

[WAKATAKE 2,769]

According to this Nikkan article and also the NSK website, Aonishiki hatsu dohyo is Aki 2023, not Nagoya 2023

https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/4230/

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202511230001918.html

[Asashosakari 20,323]

4 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

I would, but I was going off what his hatsu dohyo would be, which based on the DB says Nagoya 2023. Unless there's something extra that was added. I can always correct it if the NSK puts it out on their banzuke topics page in January

Corrected. Also posted into the Sumo Reference update thread and hopefully the admin can erase that BG entry on Aonishiki's profile

3 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

According to this Nikkan article and also the NSK website, Aonishiki hatsu dohyo is Aki 2023, not Nagoya 2023

https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/4230/

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202511230001918.html

This is a general matter of the DB handling things differently than the Kyokai for all foreign rikishi who debuted since 2009, not something specific to Aonishiki.