Sumo Reference Updates

[Chiyotasuke 311]

1 hour ago, Sensonoasase said:

I noticed one more discrepancy in the early kabu/heya information between Dekiyama and Onomatsu:

Dekiyama's first entry shows it as belonging to Onomatsu during ~1917 to ~before 1927.
But if we look at Onomatsu:

Onomatsu is listed as a part of Takasago during that window.

戦争の浅瀬

Well, Onomatsu-beya did exist during Omisaki's tenure, but when exactly the heya opened and closed is unclear. I guess that's the reason it's not recorded in the DB. But at least the heya seems to have existed between 1904.05 and 1918.01 after looking into Ryugasaki - whose entire active career attached to Onomatsu[6], according to Takayama: https://web.archive.org/web/20150924015856/http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~sumo/profile/1/19100105.htm

[Raishu 208]

@Doitsuyama: I just got reminded by the Wakatozakura news (and the implementation of his death date in the database) that I have sent you around 50 more death dates roughly 12 months ago - basically like I did in 2018. Unlike 2018, I had used the DB form (not the email address) and don't have a copy of the message, so I can't give you any details on the content (the list on paper got lost when I moved to a different apartment).

Among these was Asashio's death date and it's still missing in sumodb. I only want to take the opportunity to ask whether you have received them at all? I guess I should have used email and the dates would have been archived. My bad!

[Asashosakari 19,943]

I'm plumbing the depths of what can reasonably count as an improvement of the available data here, but anyway: The trivia section* of ja.wiki's banzuke article mentions that Kotani of Fujishima-beya and Kotani of Taiho-beya were brothers, so I think the shusshin of the younger brother can reasonably be expanded to include Kita-ku 北区 as well.

* The trivia here is that when the younger brother made his ranked debut in 1994.05, the intended adoption of "Okotani" as his shikona had failed to be processed, so the printed banzuke erroneously listed both brothers under the same shikona Kotani. (He was officially Okotani for the tournament after a timely intervention, so that shouldn't be changed on the DB.)

[Asashosakari 19,943]

This rikishi's profile has his shikona as Ōhayama on the English/romaji side, but as Daihayama だいはやま on the Japanese: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=2088

[Asashosakari 19,943]

Takenosato left the NSK in the Shunjuen incident, so his Kyokai-gai status can be extended back to 1932.02. In addition, ja.wiki lists (unreferenced) results in between that and his earlier juryo appearances. (BTW, I think 1931.03 should be changed from 0-0 to 0-0-11.)

1931.05 Ms2w 0-0-6
1931.10 Ms2w 2-4
1932.01 Ms18w

The article also has pre-juryo results for 1926-1930, but obviously without a source given these are somewhat (more) problematic.

Edited April 27 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 19,943]

On 10/04/2025 at 16:35, Asashosakari said:

Anyway, the shop owner is the former Matsuuragata, and it's another opportunity to fix a name: The confirmed given name reading for 浩嗣 is Koji こうじ rather than the presently listed Hirotsugu, and presumably that's true also for the period that he used it as part of his shikona.

I hate to insist, but just in case I'll doublecheck: Is it intentional in today's changes (thanks!) that Hirotsugu# was left as the reading of 浩嗣 for the 1976.11 to 1984.03 period? And looking at it again, I suspect that Hiroshi# for 1984.05 to career end was most likely Kōji as well, as a kanji-only change.

Edited April 28 by Asashosakari

[Doitsuyama 1,197]

8 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

I hate to insist, but just in case I'll doublecheck: Is it intentional in today's changes (thanks!) that Hirotsugu# was left as the reading of 浩嗣 for the 1976.11 to 1984.03 period? And looking at it again, I suspect that Hiroshi# for 1984.05 to career end was most likely Kōji as well, as a kanji-only change.

Not intentional at all, just an oversight. I changed them to Koji now.

[Tamanaogijima 770]

On 18/04/2025 at 16:40, Sensonoasase said:

Gentlemen,

I may have found three possible errors in early Kabu data in SumoDB. I recognize these are all about a century old and hard dates can be hazy, but I'm trying to reconcile heya iterations as far best as I can and ran into these seemingly erroneous dates with invalid month numbers in the MM.YYYY format:

 

On 18/04/2025 at 20:29, Asashosakari said:

Vaguely but not really related to the other two reports: Are "before / during / after" style dates supposed to always be identical in the two affected entries? If they are, then Mutsuarashi is another one with a discrepancy:

 

 

I am preparing a bugfix but probably have to dig in a bit. Every hint helps, so keep all them bugs coming.

[shimodahito 328]

The data base keepers and maintainers are saints!

[Asashosakari 19,943]

Another kabu thing...every time I look at the Araiso/Nishonoseki/Hanaregoma changes from 2021, I end up leaving the pages confused by the tags.
 

01.08.2021 (HB) - 23.12.2021 (KS)	Araiso[16] Yutaka	Y Kisenosato Yutaka	Araiso	Nishonoseki
24.12.2021 (KS) -	Nishonoseki[13] Yutaka	Y Kisenosato Yutaka	Nishonoseki	Nishonoseki

That makes sense as KS; from Kisenosato's POV it was just a simple switch between his name and Wakashimazu's. However, the other two people involved...
 

01.12.2014 (KS) - 23.12.2021 (HT)	Nishonoseki[12] Mutsuo	O Wakashimazu Mutsuo	Nishonoseki	Nishonoseki
24.12.2021 (HT) - 11.01.2022 (RM)	Araiso[17] Mutsuo	O Wakashimazu Mutsuo	Hanaregoma	Nishonoseki

 

01.12.2014 (HCr) - 23.12.2021 (HN)	Hanaregoma[18] Arata	S Tamanoshima Arata	Nishonoseki	Nishonoseki
24.12.2021 (HN) -	Hanaregoma[18] Arata	S Tamanoshima Arata	Hanaregoma	Nishonoseki

HT is glossed as "new shisho picks up heya name" and HN (exclusively created for this scenario, I believe?) is "new shisho changes simultaneously name". Neither are true, are they? Tamanoshima didn't pick up the heya name from Wakashimazu, or any new name at all; from his POV I'd say it was simply HI like the Musashigawa > Fujishima and Irumagawa > Ikazuchi successions.

If anything, it looks like it's Wakashimazu's fate that is in need of a specialized tag (a version of HI) with something like "Heya inherited (heya picks up name from new shisho, old shisho changes name simultaneously)" as the description.

One remaining question would be if both guys should be given the same special tag to keep with the usual parallel tagging of HI cases. IMHO, it would be okay to have HI for Tamanoshima and HIn (or whatever code is appropriate) for Wakashimazu. For Tamanoshima's kabu history it's not relevant what happened between Wakashimazu and Kisenosato, just like it's not relevant for Kisenosato's kabu history what happened with the other heya.

Edited May 6 by Asashosakari

[mugatake 56]

Using the query system with the "group by rikishi" and "show highest rank" filters seems to frequently, but not always, produce a lot of results for Highest Rank which read __0.

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In other cases, doing the same style of search, a number is produced but the number is wrong.

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Is this a known issue?

[Asashosakari 19,943]

It's possibly the same issue I raised a couple of years ago: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/12746-sumo-reference-updates/?do=findComment&comment=499656

(See also Yarimotsu's follow-up comment underneath.)

 

[Asashosakari 19,943]

On 22/01/2021 at 22:40, Asashosakari said:

On 23/11/2019 at 13:04, Asashosakari said:

Hidenoumi is not marked as juryo yusho-doten for Hatsu 2018: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=201801#J

Bump. I just ran into this error again.

Edit: And the Hatsu 2020 jonidan playoff is tagged as sandanme-kaku. 

Re-bump, as I noticed the jonidan-is-sandanme playoff error again just now. (And the Hidenoumi one also still remains.)

 

[Asashosakari 19,943]

The 1920.05 juryo banzuke has a gap on the East side, but according to Gans it should be at J13e with Ayanishiki and Mutsunishiki both one rank lower than they're currently shown.

[Asashosakari 19,943]

Kashiwado Hidetake could do with an expanded heya history, according to his ja.wiki article it's

hatsu-dohyo to 1942.01 Kasugayama
1942.05 to 1945.11 Isenoumi
1946.11 to end of career Nishikijima

Unclear how/why the first move came about, but may have been a personal relations thing as he took his new shisho's old shikona and eventually the Isenoumi kabu as well. The second move was the result of Isenoumi-beya shutting down following the shisho's death.

[Doitsuyama 1,197]

On 15/05/2025 at 04:33, mugatake said:

In other cases, doing the same style of search, a number is produced but the number is wrong.

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Is this a known issue?

This is fixed now, the mistake was calculating highest division and highest ranknumber separately like earlier noted. Regarding your second example I'd like to point out that Sd15 for the fourth Daio is correct since the higher rank of Ms56 was with a different shikona.

[Asashosakari 19,943]

Kaishoryu's shikona history currently lists hiragana replacements for a kanji he used from Haru 2004 to Natsu 2006 (that's straight from the Kyokai site which also had it that way). According to ja.wiki, the unusual kanji used was 將. Did they not even print that in the yearbooks? Heya A-Z also just has the kana version.

[Naganoyama 5,971]

Both yearbooks have the kanji. I can't explain why I didn't use it.