Disturbing video

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Some people may already be freaked out by Orora's shape, but this video is really gross. Poor girl. ;-)

[kaiguma 0]

Poor girl. (Laughing...)

The 'media' here is more disgusting than her body. And yes, color me disturbed.

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Not one comment why has she become so fat. Not by herself, someone has been giving her the stuff she eats. In smaller scale one sees this a lot actually when parents give massive amount of food to their children and unhealthy food too. "Should I let him/her be hungry??" they ask angrily when one makes a comment about +30% overweight at the age of 8 for example. Child eats candy, cakes and potato chips with pleasure and it is not their responsebility to control their eating amount. This Jessica girl obviously has also some difficult metabolic disorder but nevertheless, it is the food that makes her fat.

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Not one comment why has she become so fat.

I read some reports about her, and it looks like Kaikitsune is right as usual: her mother is exactly the "but I've got to feed her when she's hungry - she's perfectly fine!" type with no sense of responsibility at all. These reports are talking about 15 Happy Meals and 5 liters of Coke a day.

Perhaps some deeper psychological deficies are at work as well, finding satisfaction in making her subject completely dependent and unable to move on her own.

Edited March 12, 2007 by Jakusotsu

[Sasanishiki 57]

Yeah, i don't quite know about the comment of "poor innocent little girl". Innocent of what? Her parents' neglect of her by feeding her crap and sugar? yes. Of wanting popcorn when she is beached on teh living room floor? No. I realise she is probably too young to really know the problem or that her actions may cause this, but that ties in further to parent neglect.

maybe she should be chatting to Takanohana...

[Danjinoumi 11]

Ah, the very best of American tabloid television ...

[philafuji 1]

I don't know who this girl is. Could somebody fill me in on this please?

Thank you

Philafuji

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

The situation reminds me of hikikomori cases in Japan. I heard of a case where an adult child of one couple locked himself in the bathroom (it was a rich family, with a stately bathroom) for two years. The parents consulted (finally) a professional in mental health matters, and he told them that if they stopped putting three square meals a day outside the bathroom door he might come out. They said the same thing as in the obese childrens' cases...I should let my boy go hungry?! You can't help some folks.

[Shakuyaku 0]

I heard something very true about obesity the other day...

"Everybody seeks comfort in food, if you look at yourself and think about it you will find a food that you simply have to have sometimes. It's a naturally thing. But with some people, they don't have the metabolism to handle the process of breaking down food in a fast enough pace. That's the persons that become overweight.

So before you go putting yourself on some mighty high horses and say "that person became obese because he/she didn't controll their eating", think again. We rarely do ourselves."

To some point I agree, comforting with food is something everybody does, to one extent or another. Chocolate seems to be the prefered drug amongst women ;-) But with kids... there has to be an adult saying "enough" and get that child some help.

I might be the wrong person talking though, since I've been underweight my entire life.

Edited March 13, 2007 by Chiisaiyama

[Fay 1,677]

Uppppps ;-) just having a choco croissant as lunch ....

[Jakusotsu 6,392]

Uppppps ;-) just having a choco croissant as lunch ....

You mean after lunch. B-)

[Fay 1,677]

Uppppps ;-) just having a choco croissant as lunch ....

You mean after lunch. B-)

No unfortunately instead of a healthy and well - balanced lunch B-) :-O

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Metabolism rate explains extremely rarely the weight gain. It is a popular myth that "metabolism is so slow so I gain weight even if I don't eat much anything". Doesn't work that way. Differences in basic metabolism rates are largely insignificant. It is true that some people have leptine-problems and so they feel hungrier and hence eat more but it is the calory intake vs calory burning that is the key. Majority of kids who are overweight at the age of 8 will be overweight as an adult. 8 year old kids are at the mercy of parents. Most people would frown upon letting a 8 year old smoke but letting an 8 year old get grossly overweight is not "that bad" people think. 15 Happy Meals a day should be an indication for child service intervention immediately. Of course if child gets used to eating sugar-rich stuff a lot and fatty stuff. child will get used to the taste and craves for more. Then child grows up and has these strong preferences about food and is used to overtaking calories. Then as 25 year old patient, one explains to doctor "My metabolism is so slow" when scale tips at 140kg and eating habits are all over the place.

There are diseases where weight gain is part of a symptom even without bigger appetite. Hypothyreosis is one but these are in very small minority. I don't think there is anything wrong in being fat as an adult. But being fat as a child is not really so as one can't expect a child to think rationally about diet, healthyness or whatever. I am a strict doc with parents who bring their way overweight child to the hospital. Same principle as my police friend has in his work. He doesn't always give fines when seatbelt not fastened but when parents don't fasten child's seatbelt, he always gives the fine as they are in charge of the child's well-being and child can't decide that seatbelt is essential now.

One aspect always is that deaf parents may be reluctant to allow their child to get operation that would enable the child to hear, fat parents may not consider being fat as anything bad so let their child to get fat too, jehova's witnesses want their children to follow their religion no matter what. It is understable that for example a lawyer might push hard to get the offspring follow the footsteps or devout religious person wants to give the child a chance to feel the fulfillment of the religious bliss he/she feels. In both examples it is not so difficult for the child to divert from the course when one becomes closer to adult and starts thinking about things and his/her preferences but when you are taught totally unhealthy eating habits from young age and you gain a lot of weight until you are teenager and older, then it is not so easy anymore to just decide "Ok, now I don't want this way anymore so I will renovate my eating habits, do some physical activity and go on a diet!". It is a bit like turning a violent husband into non-violent one or turning Hokutoriki into yotsu-artist. It ain't so easy when things are embedded in you and in your character. In this I see the role of a parent important. One must give the child opportunity to life healthier life as a child. Child can start binging food, smoking, drinking and taking drugs later on if so inclined but parents set up the conditions for the childhood and can at least set up a base for healthier life when child is on one's own.

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

I was always chubby as a child. My mother explains it as the fact that I was her first and in rural Ireland there were no books on childrearing in those days, so whenever I cried she thought I was hungry and fed me :-D

The big question is who feeds you now when you cry? Based on your reports and posted pictures, you are bulking up again so calory intake must be high. No books on gaijinamachuasumotorirearing around either! Deadlift.

[Asojima 2,874]

And a healthy supply of Irish Bull...t! :-D

[philafuji 1]

Kaikitsune Makot

IMO your post on this subject is excellent.

Have you ever run across a child who want's to join sumo when he grows up and eats much more than he should to get heavier?

I wonder if the childs parents,like sumo a lot, and want the boy's wishes to come true, go along with the boy's eating habits because they think they are helping him?

Philafuji

Patients is a virtue.

[Chiyomaru 0]

I was nearly in tears watching the video...

I am having a weight problem my whole life, and I am afraid my little girl will have it too. She is constantly begging for cookies and crisps and gets very angry when I won't give it to her as much as she likes.

I put her on a strickt limit, because I see she puts on weight very easily. For me it does not matter how she looks like, I will love her the way she is, but I am concerned about her health and about the reactions of the outside world.

Being very heavy myself I know how mean people can be with their ugly comments.

But on the other hand, I don't want to give her the feeling I love her less than her brother.

I was 9 years old when I was put on a diet. I saw my brothers eat nice things I was not allowed to have. I had the feeling my mum and dad did not like me again. When my parents were not around, I start to eat secretly. But don't get me wrong, I don't blame my parents, they did what they thought what was good for me.

When I start living on my own, it was like paradise: finally no eyes on me when I was eating. The result was that I was weighing 100+ in just a few months time.

Than the nightmare began... I lost my self esteem and for many years I was losing and gaining and losing and gaining weight... Others gave me the idea that being fat means being ugly and I never learned how to love myself.

I want to teach my kids that it does not matter how you look like from the outside, it is the inside that counts. And that food is something to use to keep the engine running and to get vitamines, not a substitute for love and attention...

[philafuji 1]

I feel sorry for the position you are in.

No matter what you do you are right on one hand and wrong on the other.

I have four grandchildren and they are active in sports and maintain their weight very well.

If one or more of them was very over weight and wanted snacks from me I don't know what I would do.

I would feel guilty no matter what choice I made.

I hope in some way you can work this out for your own peace of mind.

Good luck

Philafuji

[Chiyomaru 0]

Thank you, Philafuji :-)

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

Have you ever run across a child who want's to join sumo when he grows up and eats much more than he should to get heavier?

I wonder if the childs parents,like sumo a lot, and want the boy's wishes to come true, go along with the boy's eating habits because they think they are helping him?

Philafuji

Patients is a virtue.

In my country children with ambition to join sumo and hence overeat aren't exactly around every corner but your thought is interesting. It is a bit different case though because if you take some Japanese child who loves sumo and possibly has sumo wrestlers in his family or surroundings AND who does sports then to allow him to start eating a lot and also unhealthy food is less questionable than when some normal child does the same. Rikishi wannabes must be athletic and do a lot of sports. This is exactly what strikes me odd in some amateur circles in other countries where very fat individual pick up sumo just because they are so fat. I doubt there are children who are put on some fattening diet because parents want them to become sumotori. I seriously doubt very fat Japanese rikishi in sumo are fat because they were given a lot of food in their childhood as part of getting them prepared to become sumotori. Most likely fat kids were sort of recruited later on in sumo without much athletic abilities. There are plenty of morbidly obese rikishi in sandanme, jonidan, makushita that have no real athletic background or at least their emphasis has been on the eating side and not so much eating to get benefit in sumo. Yamamotoyama and Konishiki type guys also have enourmous athletic ability to go with the fat. In any case I digress now but sumo world is a major exception and can't be compared so well with normal life and kids without sumo aspirations.

[aderechelsea 125]

As I mentioned I have reached 106 kilos ....... blah blah blah ..... October ..... blah ...blah .....blah ... October ... blah blah ....

isn't the World Championship in November? it would be funny to miss the gold because you went to Switzerland the wrong month .... :-)

Edited March 14, 2007 by aderechelsea

[kaiguma 0]

As I mentioned I have reached 106 kilos (17 stone) and am only 9 away from my target of 115 (18 stone) which is the weight I will fight at in October in the world sumo championships. When I played soccer in Osaka I was only 60 kilos (just over 9 stone) which means that in effect I have doubled my body weight. Contrary to what you might think this does not make you half as attractive to the opposite sex............no once you gain 9 stone of muscle mass (with perhaps a little fat) you cease to register on the female radar at all. Of course this is no problem as I am a dedicated warrior and therefore I have no need of female companionship. In fact it would only get in the way of my training. Doubling in size does make you a lot warmer however. This was fine during the winter but I'm dreading the 40 degree plus Japanese summer. "cry me a river"? Sweat me one more like :(

Anyway once I take home the gold and glory (or escape with a mild beating and only small bones broken) I intend to lose this weight and develop a physique similar to the Spartans in the new film "300". Then I will have the last laugh on all those who mock my weight gain as "madness" as I will be world champion AND cool and sexy to boot

So please come to Switzerland in October and support me while you still have a chance. My ego will be too large to notice your presence afterwards. Looking forward to meeting up and having you toast my success.

2000

[Doesn't this post belong in the "Go Team Ireland Thread" ??? Not on the depressing neglected overweight 7yo thread??? Just checking :-) ]

[Sasanishiki 57]

As I mentioned I have reached 106 kilos ....... blah blah blah ..... October ..... blah ...blah .....blah ... October ... blah blah ....

isn't the World Championship in November? it would be funny to miss the gold because you went to Switzerland the wrong month .... (Laughing...)

Better too early than too late!!

[aderechelsea 125]

isn't the World Championship in November? it would be funny to miss the gold because you went to Switzerland the wrong month

Doesn't that show you how serious I am? I will be running up and down the Alps for a month beforehand in Rocky IV like training.

you'll be back to 60 kilos by november then .... (Laughing...)

[Kaikitsune Makoto 210]

As I mentioned I have reached 106 kilos (17 stone) and am only 9 away from my target of 115 (18 stone) which is the weight I will fight at in October in the world sumo championships. When I played soccer in Osaka I was only 60 kilos (just over 9 stone) which means that in effect I have doubled my body weight. Contrary to what you might think this does not make you half as attractive to the opposite sex............no once you gain 9 stone of muscle mass (with perhaps a little fat) you cease to register on the female radar at all. Of course this is no problem as I am a dedicated warrior and therefore I have no need of female companionship. In fact it would only get in the way of my training. Doubling in size does make you a lot warmer however. This was fine during the winter but I'm dreading the 40 degree plus Japanese summer. "cry me a river"? Sweat me one more like :(

What was your height again? 168cm perhaps? Do you have big bones? I wonder how much of your weight gain is fat because without roids and stuff, for example 5kg increase in muscle mass in a year is already extremely rare and requires tremendous devotion. Didn't you say a while ago that you have couple of sumo keiko per week and maybe once at the gym? Doesn't sound very much yet. Do more keiko! Do more deadlit! Drink less beer! Guide less French! Be genki teacher! Don't tell Wakanoho sex jokes!

I am very serious sumo forum member sir.

Edited March 15, 2007 by Kaikitsune Makoto