Asysanyama 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Don't know if it's not forbidden but... Strongly discouraged actions resulting in warning1. Posting of requests and links to warez (illegal copies of binary material). Please do not post such links. Some people might think we are participating in illegal file sharing. Ok, heard and fullfilled ! Not anymore from now on ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shibouyama 1 Posted January 11, 2006 OK. I just watched the sumo scene in Memoirs Of A Geisha. Can anyone tell me who is Mainoumi's opponent in the bout? He looks familiar. I apologize in advance if this was already mentioned, but I missed it. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 11, 2006 since this was brought back on surface ... the film came to Greece this week so i will go sometime soon to watch it ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madorosumaru 7 Posted January 11, 2006 Can anyone tell me who is Mainoumi's opponent in the bout? He looks familiar. Dewaarashi 出羽嵐 大輔(でわあらし だいすけ) - screen credit in his real name Kiyoshi Sugawa 須川 清. Mainoumi was credited as Shuhei Nagao 長尾 秀平. Partial Cast List Yasusuke Uike .... Sumo Referee Shuhei Nagao .... Small Sumo Wrestler Kiyoshi Sugawa .... Large Sumo Wrestler Ren Urano .... Sumo Ring Announcer Ace Yonamine .... Sumo Wrestler Anthony Begonia .... Sumo Wrestler Albert Lee .... Sumo Wrestler Dino Rivera .... Sumo Wrestler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,232 Posted January 11, 2006 Ace Yonamine .... Sumo Wrestler Any relation to Wally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
madorosumaru 7 Posted January 11, 2006 Ace Yonamine .... Sumo Wrestler Any relation to Wally? He played a sumotori so he does resemble a whale. (I am not worthy...) Seriously, he could be a grandson or grandnephew. His given name is "Shigeo" as in Nagashima. You know the two had a close relationship. Ace Yonamine Sometimes Credited As: Ace Shigeo Yonamine "Mr. Baseball" with Yonamine family Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 18, 2006 ok ... watched the movie yesterday and found it pretty good. I haven't read the book so i cannot make comparisons. a lot of people was like "i thought they were prostitutes... what is this all about?" when exiting the theatre. A lot of people were shocked by the new aspect of things. I am still not completely convinced but i suppose it is one of those things that most westerners cannot comprehend when talking about the Oriental countries. Another one is the case of seppuku ... it's beyond my grasp. I believe that one small sentence in the film summarizes the image that people have about geishas. After the americans entered Japan, all the prostitutes with a painted face and a cheap kimono were named Geishas, when in fact they were nothing like that. Maybe the whole misconception (?) started from that point on. . . . But let's talk about Sumo. I liked the whole Sumo sequence because it looked vintage indeed. I could sympathise with Nobu-san being irritated when distracted from his Sumo, even by a beautifull woman. Nothing beats a "fat guy in diapers" eh ? :-) anyway .... i thought the bout didn't end with a hatakikomi though ... it looked more like a sukuinage. (Blushing...) i could be wrong though cause i didn't have a replay to watch but it definately didn;t look like a hatakikomi. Ok ... "nerd mode" off .... interesting film in all and maybe i am intrigued to read Sayuri's book now in order to see the points of the film she opposes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted January 19, 2006 yes but the geisha mentioned was real. and i read somewhere that she wrote a book criticising among other things the way mizu-age was portrayed in the film .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fukurou 534 Posted January 17, 2007 (sorry mods, if i'm doing wrong by reviving something so old (what are the rules on this?) - but this message *is* on topic for this thread...) Not having seen it in the theater after all, I rented the movie "Memoirs of a Geisha" the other night. This was the Region 1, 2-DVD special edition version. Among the extras on the 2nd disk was a 5-6 minute featurette titled The Way of the Sumo, which was about the sumo scenes in the movie. It was interesting, and included both film and photos of various sumo matches and rikishi, from modern day to really really old archival footage. There was also video from a training session at Azumazeki beya. In the documentary, Andrew Freund, the film's "sumo consultant", explained about the origins and ritual of sumo, why salt is thrown, why the rikishi wear mawashi. He and director Rob Marshall talked about how the rikishi have to be quick athletes, and also said (while showing video of one fellow stretching by doing 180-degree splits and putting his head on the floor) that all rikishi had to be able to do that sort of thing (the extreme stretching). Also providing comments: Of main interest to people here would be the many comments from ex-Mainoumi (in the credits as Shuhei Nagao, he plays 'small sumo wrestler'). Also seen (but not heard though he sat with Mainoumi in one of the interview segments) was ex-Dewaarashi (credited as Daisuke Dewaarashi, he plays Mainoumi's opponent 'large sumo wrestler'). I thought it was amusing when Freund and Marshall told the story about Mainoumi being too short to join the NSK so he got head implants. They even had before- and after- photos, showing his sudden "growth" from 170cm to 174cm. Also interviewed was the fellow who played the sumo referee, Yasusuke Uike, better known here as the 30th Shonosuke Kimura. While Mainoumi was described as "one of the greatest sumo wrestlers of the modern era," Yasusuke Uike was described as a "Japanese national treasure." One of his interviews was quite funny - through a translator he said "I'm the referee and I will decide the winner!" And about the mage worn by Mainoumi and Dewaarashi - wigs! Don't know if it was for an actual take or just them rehearsing, but Mainoumi threw Dewaarashi off the dohyo, and as he flew into the seats off flew his wig too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamaneko 2 Posted January 17, 2007 Andrew is the head of our club (CSA). Pretty much everyone in hollywood knows him now. Anytime ANYONE, commercials, documentaries, movies, etc. need a sumo scene, or sumo actors, they know to go to Andrew. I shudder at what would happen if Andrew wasnt around, the kind of misinformation that we would see, and the non authentic scenes, etc. You will notice in Oceans 13, a lot of "non authentic" things, that andrew and i couldnt correct, but the oceans 13 crew wasnt THAT concerned with authenticity since most of the sumo scene was in the background. The thing that really got me, is i told the actor gyogi about 10000 times what to do, and every time he did it wrong. You can see Andrew in oceans has a cameo in it, as the one who presents the winner trophy to the one who won the tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 17, 2007 (sorry mods, if i'm doing wrong by reviving something so old (what are the rules on this?) - but this message *is* on topic for this thread...) For Off-topic, or some other very specific threads, it's OK to resurrect them to add new information. Mentioning that it is an old topic is an added bonus (to alert those who didn't notice the thread the first time that some posts are old, so reacting to them does not always make sense). Thank you for doing it! :-S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,232 Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) You will notice in Oceans 13, a lot of "non authentic" things, that andrew and i couldnt correct, but the oceans 13 crew wasnt THAT concerned with authenticity since most of the sumo scene was in the background. The thing that really got me, is i told the actor gyogi about 10000 times what to do, and every time he did it wrong. You can see Andrew in oceans has a cameo in it, as the one who presents the winner trophy to the one who won the tournament. I just got back from watching Oceans 13, and I can assure you that there is no way anybody can tell if the sumo scene is authentic or not. The whole scene runs for not more than three minutes-90 seconds net - the Sumo is out of focus in the background. When there are three very short close-ups, they are of unknowns. If you are really alert, you can see Musashimaru for a second, out of focus in the far background. No cameo for Andrew, as that scene didn't make it past the floor of the editing room.. Edit: If anyone wants to view this, please PM me and I'll yousendit you. Edited June 11, 2007 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamaneko 2 Posted June 12, 2007 Yeah, i was shocked how much they took out of the sumo scene, after months of prepration, all the money spent on setting it up, most of the sumo actors werent even used..you couldnt see akebono's face. The other two bouts where byamba(world champion daishochi) vs. baynaa. And kelly vs. Dan (USA amasumo guys), both of those bouts were only visible for seconds. Amazing how detailed they wanted everything, yet ended up not showing any details at all. Oh well. any sumo is good sumo in mainstream entertainment, but with the money they invested into that scene, it had the chance to be so much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasanishiki 57 Posted June 13, 2007 It will probably be in the deleted scenes on the DVD. I like to watch such things to get an idea of how they originally saw the movie going and then how it differs from the final edit of the movie I've just watched. I don't think we should think of it as a conspriacy against sumo - these things happen all the time. For big blockbuster films money seems no object, and the money wasted on scenes that don;t make it often pale in comparison to the fees that the big actors get to appear in them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
