Pitinosato 120 Posted April 23 For me the main question is: will they have 7 or 8 Sanyaku ? I went with 8 - thinking/hoping they want to have a balanced Banzuke, and no M18 What should be possible with an 9-6 M1W I'm curious to see with which number you other players went Pitinosato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 596 Posted April 23 (edited) I played very early this time around and (my spreadsheet says I did but I can't remember if I) made what I now think is the Takayasu mistake. Finally figured how I should be doing the search for that precedent and there is no precedent. K1e 8-7 simply doesn't get denied by a maegashira. Edited April 23 by Yarimotsu uncertainty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whatta bout Sumo 12 Posted April 23 42 minutes ago, Pitinosato said: For me the main question is: will they have 7 or 8 Sanyaku ? I went with 8 - thinking/hoping they want to have a balanced Banzuke, and no M18 What should be possible with an 9-6 M1W I'm curious to see with which number you other players went Pitinosato Everyone I know has gone for 7 San'yaku. The reason is that "wanting balanced banzuke" rarely ever seems to factor into things, and so instead we look at precedent for forcing open a new San'yaku slot. The scenario we have now, if I recall research I did on SumoDB back in March, used to always force open a new Komusubi slot back in the day about like a decade ago or so it swapped and since then it never forced open another Komusubi slot, with like 3 instances of precedent to support that the shift was real and not just happenstance. Actually someone else in the discord server I'm in did the same research and I think posted it... let me see if I can find the SumoDB query they posted... Oh, here it is. Credit to GTB shikona Hisui for this screenshot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pitinosato 120 Posted April 23 Thank you very much, very intresting ! In the 3 examples auf 2015-2019 they had 11, 9 and 9 Sanyaku. So I hope it makes a difference if you would have only 7 If almost anybody else has 7 Sanyaku, it looks like I will get a Bottom 10 Ranking, or a Top 10 Pitinosato Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 5 hours ago, Yarimotsu said: Finally figured how I should be doing the search for that precedent and there is no precedent. K1e 8-7 simply doesn't get denied by a maegashira. Care to share the query? I don't think I figured out how to do it without looking through a bunch of hits manually... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 596 Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, Reonito said: Care to share the query? I don't think I figured out how to do it without looking through a bunch of hits manually... I did 2 searches - much quicker to just search for k1e 8-7 staying at k in one tab, and only check the banzuke on the second tab (sekiwake with less than 8 wins, or similar query) if the basho matches. still manual. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 29 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said: I did 2 searches - much quicker to just search for k1e 8-7 staying at k in one tab, and only check the banzuke on the second tab (sekiwake with less than 8 wins, or similar query) if the basho matches. still manual. Actually I think this automates it to a decent extent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,475 Posted April 23 (edited) Here's my entry.... Hoshoryu (Ye 5-5-5) Y --- Onosato (Oe 12-3 Y) O Kotozakura (Ow 8-7) Daieisho (Se 9-6) S Takayasu (M4e 12-3 D) Kirishima (Ke 8-7) K Wakatakakage (M1e 9-6) Wakamotoharu (M1w 9-6) M1 Oho (Sw 6-9) Tamawashi (M7w 10-5) M2 Abi (Kw 6-9) Gonoyama (M2e 7-8) M3 Hiradoumi (M6e 9-6) Takerufuji (M6w 9-6) M4 Chiyoshoma (M2w 6-9) Oshoma (M8w 9-6) M5 Ichiyamamoto (M4w 7-8) Tobizaru (M3e 6-9) M6 Ura (M5e 7-8) Hakuoho (M9e 9-6) M7 Churanoumi (M14w 11-4) Onokatsu (M12w 10-5) M8 Aonishiki (M15e 11-4) Midorifuji (M11e 9-6) M9 Kinbozan (M5w 6-9) Meisei (M11w 9-6) M10 Shodai (M7e 6-9) Shishi (M13w 9-6) M11 Endo (M9w 7-8) Atamifuji (M8e 6-9) M12 Takanosho (M3w 3-12) Tokihayate (M18e 10-5) M13 Sadanoumi (M15w 8-7) Kotoshoho (M16w 8-7) M14 Roga (J3e 11-4) Kayo (J2e 9-6) M15 Ryuden (M14e 6-9) Shonannoumi (M10w 4-11) M16 Tamashoho (J1e 8-7) Tochitaikai (J3w 9-6) M17 Nishikigi (M10e 3-12) Asakoryu (M16e 6-9) M18 --- Edited April 23 by Tigerboy1966 copyedit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 582 Posted April 23 On 22/04/2025 at 13:53, Reonito said: FWIW this is the consensus banzuke from 12 guesses over on the GSB discord, compiled by @Whatta bout Sumo. There was 100% agreement on 13 ranks, plus another 12 with a single discordant guess, and 3 more with two (for a total of 28 ranks with good agreement). The rikishi with the least agreement were Ura and the bottom three, followed closely by Kinbozan. Can you re-post the image? I can't find it on the discord. Or point me to it, that'll work too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: Can you re-post the image? I can't find it on the discord. Or point me to it, that'll work too. Sorry, which image? Not the one quoted above? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 582 Posted April 23 (edited) 19 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Midorifuji or Aonishiki? I think Spiffy was pushing the "they never overdemote by a full rank" narrative. To be clear, I pointed out it pretty much never happens, but I was also very transparent about the fact it could happen this time and make sense. Edited April 23 by Sumo Spiffy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 582 Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Reonito said: Sorry, which image? Not the one quoted above? Is it still showing up? I checked on my laptop and my phone and it's broken on both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Sumo Spiffy said: Is it still showing up? I checked on my laptop and my phone and it's broken on both. Yeah it literally showed up for me in your quote post above... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 582 Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Reonito said: Yeah it literally showed up for me in your quote post above... That's really odd. I get the dead image icon and the image link from discord, but no picture. Hopefully it works at home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 11 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: That's really odd. I get the dead image icon and the image link from discord, but no picture. Hopefully it works at home. It's in the banzuke science channel... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 58 Posted April 23 7 hours ago, Pitinosato said: If almost anybody else has 7 Sanyaku, it looks like I will get a Bottom 10 Ranking, or a Top 10 I will join you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 582 Posted April 23 13 minutes ago, Reonito said: It's in the banzuke science channel... I don't see that channel. Maybe I'm not supposed to, and that's fine, but then I wonder why everyone else but me can see the image. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 184 Posted April 23 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pitinosato said: If almost anybody else has 7 Sanyaku, it looks like I will get a Bottom 10 Ranking, or a Top 10 56 minutes ago, Wamahada said: I will join you As will i, hoping for an 8 man Sanyaku this time. Edited April 23 by Fashiritētā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 58 Posted April 23 51 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said: I don't see that channel. Maybe I'm not supposed to, and that's fine, but then I wonder why everyone else but me can see the image. I checked with 4 different browser and I can‘t see the image either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 776 Posted April 23 11 hours ago, Pitinosato said: For me the main question is: will they have 7 or 8 Sanyaku ? 7. Next question! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 776 Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said: I don't see that channel. Maybe I'm not supposed to, and that's fine, but then I wonder why everyone else but me can see the image. I can see the image, but don't know anything about the channel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 528 Posted April 23 26 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: 7. Next question! Why are you so sure? What I have learned in playing GTB now for the 20th year is to expect the unexpected. I'm All-in with 8 Sanyaku, i.e. it is Top 20 finish or 200+. Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 776 Posted April 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ganzohnesushi said: Why are you so sure? What I have learned in playing GTB now for the 20th year is to expect the unexpected. I'm All-in with 8 Sanyaku, i.e. it is Top 20 finish or 200+. Ganzohnesushi Well, let's put it this way: 8 sanyaku now would be the most unexpected banzuke-related thing I can remember. Edited April 23 by Bunbukuchagama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,531 Posted April 23 This is the 4th time we've had a 7-man sanyaku since 1960 (but also since 2020!). Haru 2020, caused by Goeido's intai, resolved by Asanoyama's Ozeki promotion. Kyushu 2021, caused by Hakuho's intai (41-man Makuuchi banzuke due to timing), not resolved (they could have promoted M1w Wakatakakage, 8-7, to K2 if they really wanted to resolve it, but they only promoted M1e Daieisho, 8-7, and slid WTK to M1e). Hatsu 2022, resolved by Mitakeumi's Ozeki promotion. Haru 2025, caused by Terunofuji's intai, ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 776 Posted April 23 38 minutes ago, Reonito said: Haru 2025, caused by Terunofuji's intai, ??? This one will take a while, it seems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
