Asashoryu's early hoshitori with kimarite...

[Chienoshima 0]

Hi Ozumo experts and others,

A few days ago, on the french forum, an Asashoryu fan asked an hoshitori of

the yokuzuna (with all his opponents and kimarite) before he clinched his

juryo promotion at the end of the Nagoya basho 2000. As I bought the first

biography of Asashoryu written by Hazuki Takeda (here is the amazon link :

Asashoryu's biography)

, I actually got all the information she was looking for.

However, as one may easily guess it, the precious hoshitori given at the end

of the book is written in kanji, and even though I can read some japanese, I

still can't be 100% sure about the reading of some shikona. So, in the

hoshitori, I write in CAPITALS all the shikona I am not 100 % sure about the

reading. You will find in bracket [] the shikona in kanji, and if some of

you find some mistakes, I will greatly appreciate some feedbacks.

So, here is the Asashoryu's early hoshitori.

Legend : O = Win / * = Loss / a = Kyujo / - = No bout

Hatsu 1999, Maezumo (3-0) : OOO

Haru 1999, Jonokuchi 34 Est (6-1) : -O*-O-O--OO-O--

Day 2 : Win over TAMATSURUMI [ 玉鶴見 ] by hatakikomi

Day 3 : Loss over TAYO [ 田代 ] by oshidashi

Day 5 : Win over Tokukaizan ( 徳海山 ) by oshidashi

Day 7 : Win over Yanagihara ( 柳原 ) by yorikiri

Day 10 : Win over Seishiro ( 清城 ) by tuskitaoshi

Day 11 : Win over MIDORIFUMOTO [ 緑麓 ] by tsukiotoshi

Day 13 : Win over Shinyu ( 心勇 ) by tsukidashi

Natsu 1999, Jonidan 85 Ouest (7-0 yusho) : O-O--OO-O--OO--

Day 1 : Win over TAMATSURUMI [ 玉鶴見 ] by yorikiri

Day 3 : Win over SONONAMI [ 総ノ波 ] by yorikiri

Day 6 : Win over Katsutanishiki ( 勝田錦 ) by yorikiri

Day 7 : Win over KISENOSHIMA [ 木瀬の嶋 ] by yorikiri

Day 9 : Win over IKIKOSHI [ 生越 ] by tsukidashi

Day 12 : Win over Chiyonotaka ( 千代の鷹 ) by okuridashi

Day 13 : Win over Wakaishikawa ( 若石川 ) by tsukidashi

Nagoya 1999, Sandanme 75 Ouest (7-0, yusho) : O--O-O-O-OO-O

[Zentoryu 154]

Haru 1999:

Day 2: Correct

Day 3: Tashiro

Day 11: Midoriryu

Natsu 1999:

Day 1: Correct

Day 3: Fusanonami

Day 7: Correct

Day 9: Ogoshi

Nagoya 1999:

Day 8: Tashiro

Aki 1999

Day 12: Hidanodake

Kyushu 1999

Day 11: Correct

Hatsu 2000

Day 5: Hisatsuryu

Natsu 2000

Day 8 : Correct

Day 9: Correct

Day 11: Correct

Day 14: Correct

Nagoya 2000

Day 13: Correct

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

The complete bouts of all divisions are available on the NSK site since 1998.11, so there was no need to buy a book for this, it should also be possible to get the correct readings from the NSK site with some probing. You have some additional information though as the kimarite for the lower divisions are given only since 2001.09.

I would go check it, but Zentoryū already did, and I guess there is no need to double-check that.

[Chienoshima 0]

The complete bouts of all divisions are available on the NSK site since 1998.11, so there was no need to buy a book for this, it should also be possible to get the correct readings from the NSK site with some probing. You have some additional information though as the kimarite for the lower divisions are given only since 2001.09.

I would go check it, but Zentoryū already did, and I guess there is no need to double-check that.

Thanks Zentoryu and Doitsuyama for your help !

I've tried to check this shikona through NSK site, but a rikishi changed his shikona, I simply lost it. How did you manage to chase after them ? Do you have the link to get the complete bouts since Kyushu basho 1998.

Regards,

Chienoshima

PS : The boof on Asashoryu feature many rare and excellent picture from his childhood in Mongolia, his high school days, etc.., and it is definitely worth of buying, if you are a fan of great Asashoryu.

1 year old Asashoryu with his older brothers

Edited June 17, 2004 by Chienoshima

[BuBa 77]

Autobiography for 23 years old (Clapping wildly...)! I am curious, how many pages are in that book?

[Jakusotsu 6,367]

a) Is it really an AUTObiography? I don't think so...

b) This 23 years old will most likely have hundreds of pages more to tell than the average midlife jerk.

Edited June 17, 2004 by Jakusotsu

[aderechelsea 125]

i would imagine his last few years have a lot of things worth mentioning.

and i am also sure that if he was not the only Yokozuna noone would care to write such a book.

i guess if it was translated i might care to read it.At least it sounds more interesting than other sport personalities autobiographies (Beckham and such....)

[Chienoshima 0]

As I bought the first

biography of Asashoryu written by Hazuki Takeda (here is the amazon link :

Asashoryu's biography)

, I actually got all the information she was looking for.

I've already said it, but the book is NOT an autobiography, but a biography written by Hazuki Takeda. Actually, this is not her first biography of a popular rikishi, because she made another one about Terao's life. Basically, she is a freelance writer coming from Yamagata prefecture, and she writes on sports topics like baseball, ski etc. Here is a tiny picture of her.

Cheers,

Chienoshima

[Coo-cook 0]

Asashoryu's smile reminds me of Jack Nicolson's facial expression after brain surgery in "One flew over cuckooc's nest".

[Coo-cook 0]

Or....Robert De Niro's opium dopped face in "Once upon a time in America"

[BuBa 77]

a) Is it really an AUTObiography? I don't think so...

b) This 23 years old will most likely have hundreds of pages more to tell than the average midlife jerk.

Ok, the emphasis was on BIOGRAPHY. Don't you think it would be a premature undertaking to write a biography about someone on the peak of his performance, as if to say there will nothing come more then he has already achieved? Only reason I could think of, is turning big bucks. Even if it is so and I am sure it is, there are certainly other forms of literary expressions besides of biography. That was all I had in mind posting the previous message. I mean, midlife jerks can have opinions too, right?

[Sasanishiki 57]

Only reason I could think of, is turning big bucks.

Obviously they are trying to make money with the book, otherwise they wouldn't publish it. However, there is not anything particularly bad about having a biography of a young athlete if the story of them getting to where they are is interesting. This then allows fans to understand the person while they are still competing. This is almost better than reading something about an athlete after their retirement and thinking "i never knew that about...", especially if that would have changed your opinion about them and their performances.

[BuBa 77]

Obviously they are trying to make money with the book, otherwise they wouldn't publish it.

Oh, I am sorry , I thought they publish for charity. DOH!

[Guest Vincentoryu]

The complete bouts of all divisions are available on the NSK site since 1998.11, so there was no need to buy a book for this, it should also be possible to get the correct readings from the NSK site with some probing. You have some additional information though as the kimarite for the lower divisions are given only since 2001.09.

Where on the site can I get the complete bouts of all divisions?

Or are they only there in Japanese, as I fear?

Thanks in advance!

[Doitsuyama 1,259]

The complete bouts of all divisions are available on the NSK site since 1998.11, so there was no need to buy a book for this, it should also be possible to get the correct readings from the NSK site with some probing. You have some additional information though as the kimarite for the lower divisions are given only since 2001.09.

Where on the site can I get the complete bouts of all divisions?

Or are they only there in Japanese, as I fear?

Thanks in advance!

It is only in Japanese (of course! doh! Even the most current lower division results aren't available in English, so how should it be different with such old data). In principle you can find them for yourself by changing the basho number in the URL for lower division results. In reality it is more difficult since those basho numbers were reorganized some time ago. In the future I intend to make them available (in English, and with shikona changes), but don't ask when... there is a LOT more I want to make available, so it is some work to get it finally done.

[Sasanishiki 57]

Obviously they are trying to make money with the book, otherwise they wouldn't publish it.

Oh, I am sorry , I thought they publish for charity. DOH!

You state the obvious, I state the obvious, you state the obvious again...

I see a pattern here. The more important point was what followed that first sentence.

[BuBa 77]

You state the obvious, I state the obvious, you state the obvious again...

Sasanishiki, with all respect, if you had read my post more carefully, you would have seen that I was mostly bothered by seemingly premature publication of this book, seeing as the ONLY reason for doing this in the money-making. While it is the OBVIOUS goal for publishers, it is not always OBVIOUS and ONLY reason for an author of a biography. So I don't think I have stated the obvious, while your first sentence was so OBVIOUS and so unnecessary, what BTW you have already admitted. Thank you for that.

[Asashosakari 20,200]

In principle you can find them for yourself by changing the basho number in the URL for lower division results. In reality it is more difficult since those basho numbers were reorganized some time ago.

I've lost track of a few base URLs since they moved to the new site host...does the NSK still keep database entries for the lower division banzukes? They used to be at http://www.sumo.or.jp/eng/basho/rank/banzuke_makuika.php, but I can't seem to find that php script on the reorganized site anymore. I've been luckier with the hoshitori pages, but those are rather easy to find, even if I hadn't had them from before.

And I never did have the straight URL for the daily torikumi pages, so I'm missing that, too...

[Sasanishiki 57]

You state the obvious, I state the obvious, you state the obvious again...

Sasanishiki, with all respect, if you had read my post more carefully, you would have seen that I was mostly bothered by seemingly premature publication of this book, seeing as the ONLY reason for doing this in the money-making. While it is the OBVIOUS goal for publishers, it is not always OBVIOUS and ONLY reason for an author of a biography. So I don't think I have stated the obvious, while your first sentence was so OBVIOUS and so unnecessary, what BTW you have already admitted. Thank you for that.

BuBa, with the same amount of respect, my post was about the reasons why such a biography might not be such a bad thing early in a career, if it allows us to learn something new about an athlete, or gives us a new appreciation of their efforts adversities or whatever. You acknowledge this in the later post. I should have not written the first sentence of the first post as it was so obvious. My second post flew off the handle a little. Apologies. (Hugging...)

[Faroyama 0]

Asashosakari and others:

Daily torikumi can be found at:

http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/kiroku_daicho/toriku...=3&kekka=1&d=15

eg those as at senshuraku of Hatsu 2002

The kimarite are included as from Aki 2001.

kekka=1 gives you the tournament record sofar, the kimarite and the winner; kekka=0 does neither

The hoshitori records (including those starting at Tsukedashi) can be found at:

http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/kiroku_daicho/hoshi_...2&repeat=1&d=15

eg those as at senshuraku of Hatsu 2002

As far as I know there are no separate banzuke available, apart from those of the current basho.

The Yusho winners and some of their data can be found at:

http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/eng/hon_basho/seisek...o.php?basyo=496

Basho numbering

Kyushu 98 through Kyushu 01 are numbered 16 through 34

Hatsu 02 through Natsu 04 are numbered 491 through 505

This Nagoya accordingly will be numbered 506

Kaku are 3 through 6 for makushita through jonokuchi

Touzai are 1 for higashi/east and 2 for nishi/west

Repeat are 1 through 3 or 4 for the respective thirds or quarts of the lower divisions

Regards,

Faroyama

PS Any additions are more than welcome (Hugging...)