rhyen 1,858 Posted April 5, 2017 Do the yokozuna and entourage get some sort of appearance fee or free transport & lodging for such ceremonies? am wondering why there hasn't been a queue for Kisenosato to perform at various shrines and temples yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) People who had hoped to see Takayasu were disappointed: no more, already ozeki, now Okinoumi as tachi-mochi. Shohozan still and Hokutofuji as tsuyu-harai at the dohyo-iri of Kise at the Kashima shrine (Ibaraki). About 25 000 people were there, around 10 000 more than 2 years ago by Hakuho. o o o o Edited June 5, 2017 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Or will we see these 2 as the new attendants for Kise? Another dohyo-iri today for the opening of the new dohyo at the new Yamahibiki-beya, with Ura as tachi-mochi and Tokushoryu as tsuyu-harai o Edited June 4, 2017 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaeucherLax 293 Posted June 4, 2017 Does the choice of tachi-mochi and tsuyu-harai always have to follow the banzuke? I always thought it's the two highest ranked Sekitori from the heya or if there are none from the ichimon? I didn't know Ozeki where excluded from that duty/honour... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) On 4.6.2017 at 17:07, Akinomaki said: dohyo-iri of Kise at the Kashima shrine (Ibaraki). About 25 000 people were there Video from Kise's local paper Edited June 6, 2017 by Akinomaki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted June 4, 2017 Finally, we get to see him in full glory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,972 Posted June 4, 2017 I don't like his dohyo-iri. It's somewhat 'unsmooth' and at some points he looks like a couch potato trying that birthday gift aerobics video for the first time. And it didn't get better since his dohyo-iri-deflowering... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Benihana said: I don't like his dohyo-iri. It's somewhat 'unsmooth' and at some points he looks like a couch potato trying that birthday gift aerobics video for the first time. And it didn't get better since his dohyo-iri-deflowering... Truncated? I wonder if it has evolved since its debut or has the injury affected his posture? Edited June 5, 2017 by rhyen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_golem 213 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) I like Harumafuji's dohyo-iri much better than any other Yoks. He seems to take it much more seriously and the feet shuffling part is just a joy to watch. And yes, Kisenosato's postures and movements are somehow less....graceful/dignified? Case of lack of experience? Edited June 5, 2017 by d_golem 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,972 Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, rhyen said: Truncated? I wonder if it has evolved since its debut or has the injury affected his posture? I don't know what you want to say with truncated. He did his first dohyo-iri (plural) before the injury, so maybe it plays a role for the dohyo-iri not getting smoother. Two examples: When stretching out his arms, his body is upright and his arms stretched to the max, like he is doing what we call a Hampelmann in german. And there is the stand-up-shuffle d_golem mentions. Just horrible to watch, compared to the others. I would not call it less graceful/dignified, it's just not elegant and it lacks power. I hope it is only a matter of time, it's still new to him. Especially Hakuho had a long time to make his d-i look so smooth and powerful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 5, 2017 More pics from the 2 dohyo-iri by Kise yesterday at Yamahibiki-beya o o o o oo o o o in Kashiwa, shrine visit as well o o o o o o o oo o o 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_golem 213 Posted June 5, 2017 Earliest toob video of Hakuho dohyo-iri, uploaded 16 Jan 2008, so at most he's been Yokozuna a little over half a year. After watching this, I think the best way to describe Kisenosato's is : no sense of theatre. Or : very limited showmanship. Or perhaps : channel some WWE spirit, dude! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted June 5, 2017 Anyone able to do a side-by-side comparison with Kakuryu, who is also Unryu style? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Benihana said: And there is the stand-up-shuffle d_golem mentions. Just horrible to watch, compared to the others. IIRC, Doreen said it's called seri-agari in Japanese. He seems fine on the dohyo, but on the stone at the shrine it is not quite as sharp. I suspect it may have something to do with that surface, and perhaps his lack of experience performing a yokozuna dohyo-iri on it as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaeucherLax 293 Posted June 5, 2017 On 04.06.2017 at 17:07, Akinomaki said: People who had hoped to see Takayasu were disappointed: no more, already ozeki, now Okinoumi as tachi-mochi, Shohozan still tsuyu-harai at the dohyo-iri of Kise at the Kashima shrine (Ibaraki). About 25 000 people were there, around 10 000 more than 2 years ago by Hakuho. Just noticed that it´s Hokutofuji as tsuyu-harai in these pics and no longer Shohozan. By the way: thx so much for adding so much Information and pix to this Forum (invaluable to all of us who are unable to read/speak Japanese)! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) On 4.6.2017 at 18:28, RaeucherLax said: I always thought it's the two highest ranked Sekitori from the heya or if there are none from the ichimon? I didn't know Ozeki where excluded from that duty/honour... Excluded for normal duty, but for special occasions even other yokozuna serve as attendants. Takayasu will be doing it again on the 11th for the dohyo-iri at the remains of the house where Ibaraki-shusshin 19th yokozuna Hitachiyama was born. http://mainichi.jp/articles/20170607/ddl/k08/050/136000c And thanks for spotting Hokutofuji - I hadn't watched the video and large pics yet. The Ibaraki shimbun video above is viewable again. More from Kashiwa o o and Yamahibiki-beya o o Edited June 7, 2017 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted June 9, 2017 Still waiting for the NHK news video before posting the Hachiman ceremony? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) Actually waiting for my evening news check, but there is enough coverage already of the yokozuna stone engraving ceremony for Kisenosato o !o ! !o !o ooo o o oo I hadn't planned to put this here at all, but there was a dohyo-iri as well o o o jinku to celebrate the occasion, with Daishi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHtxdaBnSxM Edited June 14, 2017 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) This time Shohozan was back to the dohyo-iri team - as tachi-mochi - and Kagayaki was tsuyu-harai: Kise is having a try with all eligible ichimon-members, so it seems. Shohozan will surely not be tachi-mochi for the basho - he's dropping too low for Nagoya. o !oo o oo oo His name in stone now o o the personal touch - to the red points I guess o oo o o o o o!oo o o o o oo o o o Edited June 9, 2017 by Akinomaki 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) On 7.6.2017 at 18:40, Akinomaki said: Excluded for normal duty, but for special occasions even other yokozuna serve as attendants. Takayasu will be doing it again on the 11th for the dohyo-iri at the remains of the house where Ibaraki-shusshin 19th yokozuna Hitachiyama was born. http://mainichi.jp/articles/20170607/ddl/k08/050/136000c The old team again, with Shohozan as tsuyu-harai o from NHK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTGcP92OXs o o o o o o o o o o $o arrival o arrival video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5mrUa4wqfw Edited June 13, 2017 by Akinomaki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted June 11, 2017 @Akinomaki: care to verify the news report that this will be Takayasu's last attendance as Kisenosato's attendant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Ibaraki shimbun keeps to delete the first video and then posts apparently the same one again - gives me extra work to replace it The city of Mito has posted also posted a video and one spectator from the back, with jinku by Daishi also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvvYEaTHVm0 o o o o o o o o o I don't know if there is any meaning in the data comparison of Kise with Hitachiyama oo Jiji also posted a few more from the Hachimangu event As for Takayasu - never say Never Again - I'm sure he'll do it at this location again, if there should be another one - maybe in 3 years as tachi-mochi new yokozuna Takayasu with just retired ex-yokozuna Kisenosato as special event for the Olympics? Edited June 14, 2017 by Akinomaki 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted July 1, 2017 (edited) The traditional Atsuta-shrine dohyo-iri for the 60th Nagayo-basho had the most spectators ever - about 8000 came to see 4 yokozuna - last time in 1999 - but of course especially Kisenosato. Last year it were 5000. o local news spectator another angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Iledrb3cw arrival - shouts of "Hokutoumi" for the riji-cho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-l8php6AQo o o o o o !o !o !o !o !o !o !o !o !o At the shrine visit, also the ozeki were present !oo !o !o !o !o !o --- later pics o o o o o o oo o o o Edited July 3, 2017 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhyen 1,858 Posted July 2, 2017 no nhk video on the nhk news web? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 41,849 Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) For the doyho-iri on the 3rd at the Suwa shrine in Shibata-city, Niigata, Hakuho and his new team used the new set from the Niigata koenkai Shohokai. Tachi-mochi Chiyoshoma, tsuyu-harai Daieisho (same -sho as Hakuho Sho, the full shikona). About 300 watched. http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/1866474.html o oo o o o o o Edited August 7, 2017 by Akinomaki 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
