Bench Euro 2012

[Achiyama 1,272]

The ® team for Kintamayama is the first time that it appears in the line-up (same for everyone - likewise with ©)

Exactly. I am giving him a chance to place it whatever place he wants. If he doesn't respond than I'll leave the first position it appears in the squad he sent me.

[Achiyama 1,272]

The ® team for Kintamayama is the first time that it appears in the line-up (same for everyone - likewise with ©)

Exactly. I am giving him a chance to place it whatever place he wants. If he doesn't respond than I'll leave the first position it appears in the squad he sent me.

Kintamayama,

I got your squad. Thanks.

Waiting still for Jejima's team, and eventually Kameumi's revised team (if he is going to send one).

[Doitsuyama 1,263]

The ® team for Kintamayama is the first time that it appears in the line-up (same for everyone - likewise with ©)

Exactly. I am giving him a chance to place it whatever place he wants. If he doesn't respond than I'll leave the first position it appears in the squad he sent me.

No need for that - it can only be the first position by rule.

[Jejima 1,498]

Running out of time to send me your final list of penalty takers for the 'finals'.

Rank the order of the remaining 4 teams in how you think they will do AND tell me the time (the actual minute) that you guess the first goal will be scored....

Cheers,

Jezz

[Asashosakari 20,290]

I wouldn't allow extra teams for the semi final round already in the Bench Euro. With only 16 teams to start with (compared to 32) the top selection groups (yokozuna, ozeki, sekiwake) are much smaller, so even one extra team was enough for several players to get all semi finalists (I for example and I am not even doing well thanks to Ireland). With a second extra team many players will have a complete squad I think, making the game less interesting.

Edit: Oh, I see you changed the rule already to that effect...

I think for the next World Cup it might also be worth exploring to maybe not add any new teams at all (I think we got to add one each for L16 and QF last time?), but start the half-time rules already for the quarterfinals as compensation, because I recall the same "everyone's got every team" phenomenon for the semis there.

[Achiyama 1,272]

The ® team for Kintamayama is the first time that it appears in the line-up (same for everyone - likewise with ©)

Exactly. I am giving him a chance to place it whatever place he wants. If he doesn't respond than I'll leave the first position it appears in the squad he sent me.

No need for that - it can only be the first position by rule.

I agree, but this first position could be on different slots, also RT, 1st or 2nd - only one of them could have the ®.

[Achiyama 1,272]

I can't wait till the deadline, because I am heading to a meeting.

Here are the match-ups I am gyojing:

For the CUP:

CHABONOWAKA vs. KINTAMAYAMA

CHABONOWAKA

1. © Spain (2nd half)

2. Germany (1st half)

3. Germany (2nd half)

4. Spain (1st half)

5. (E) Portugal (2nd half)

6. Italy (1st half)

7. Italy (2nd half)

8. Portugal (2nd half)

9. Spain (ET)

10. Germany (ET)

11. Italy (ET)

12. Portugal (ET)

Comment: Well, things look good, as i can put my C team in the top spot. i just hope they score in the 2nd half. :)

vs.

KINTAMAYAMA

1.Germany (1st )

2.Italy ® (2nd)

3.Spain(E) (2nd)

4.Germany (2nd)

5.Spain (E) (ET)

6.Germany (ET)

7.Italy (ET)

8. Spain (E) (1st)

9. Italy (1st)

Comment:

Gyoji's comment: Let's see whether the extra 3 slots (4 teams vs. 3 teams) will have a big advantage for Chabonowaka.

For the SAUCER:

KAMEUMI vs. JEJIMA

KAMEUMI

After aeons and aeons of thinking about how the order my lineup should be set. I finaly decided to put it like this:

1. Italy (E) (1st)

2. Italy (E) (2nd)

Comment: Ohh the glory. I'm only two losses from claiming the coveted last place in the tournament!

vs.

JEJIMA

1. Portugal (E)(1st)

2. Portugal (E)(E.T.)

3. Portugal (E)(2nd)

4. Spain (E.T.)

5. Spain (2nd)

6. Spain (1st)

Comment: I think the only way that I can win this match is by predicting a big upset...

Gyoji's comment: I think Kameumi didn't read the instructions. So, I am offering 2 versions and let the Executive Gyojis decide.

1st version: Drone

1. Germany (1st)

2. Germany (2nd)

3. Germany (ET)

4. Italy (E) (1st)

5. Italy (E) (2nd)

6. Italy (E) (3rd)

2nd version: Honor Kameumi's choices for Slot #1 and #2, and then drone:

1. Italy (E) (1st)

2. Italy (E) (2nd)

3. Germany (1st)

4. Germany (2nd)

5. Germany (ET)

6. Italy (E) (ET)

This is all from me for now.

[Jejima 1,498]

I can't wait till the deadline, because I am heading to a meeting.

Here are the match-ups I am gyojing:

For the CUP:

CHABONOWAKA vs. KINTAMAYAMA

CHABONOWAKA

1. © Spain (2nd half)

2. Germany (1st half)

3. Germany (2nd half)

4. Spain (1st half)

5. (E) Portugal (2nd half)

6. Italy (1st half)

7. Italy (2nd half)

8. Portugal (2nd half)

9. Spain (ET)

10. Germany (ET)

11. Italy (ET)

12. Portugal (ET)

Comment: Well, things look good, as i can put my C team in the top spot. i just hope they score in the 2nd half. :)

vs.

KINTAMAYAMA

1.Germany (1st )

2.Italy ® (2nd)

3.Spain(E) (2nd)

4.Germany (2nd)

5.Spain (E) (ET)

6.Germany (ET)

7.Italy (ET)

8. Spain (E) (1st)

9. Italy (1st)

Comment:

Gyoji's comment: Let's see whether the extra 3 slots (4 teams vs. 3 teams) will have a big advantage for Chabonowaka.

For the SAUCER:

KAMEUMI vs. JEJIMA

KAMEUMI

After aeons and aeons of thinking about how the order my lineup should be set. I finaly decided to put it like this:

1. Italy (E) (1st)

2. Italy (E) (2nd)

Comment: Ohh the glory. I'm only two losses from claiming the coveted last place in the tournament!

vs.

JEJIMA

1. Portugal (E)(1st)

2. Portugal (E)(E.T.)

3. Portugal (E)(2nd)

4. Spain (E.T.)

5. Spain (2nd)

6. Spain (1st)

Comment: I think the only way that I can win this match is by predicting a big upset...

Gyoji's comment: I think Kameumi didn't read the instructions. So, I am offering 2 versions and let the Executive Gyojis decide.

1st version: Drone

1. Germany (1st)

2. Germany (2nd)

3. Germany (ET)

4. Italy (E) (1st)

5. Italy (E) (2nd)

6. Italy (E) (3rd)

2nd version: Honor Kameumi's choices for Slot #1 and #2, and then drone:

1. Italy (E) (1st)

2. Italy (E) (2nd)

3. Germany (1st)

4. Germany (2nd)

5. Germany (ET)

6. Italy (E) (ET)

This is all from me for now.

Version 2

[chabonowaka 2]

hi all, here are the matches for which i am gyoji for the next round of knockouts!

For the Plate!

XiaoTan (Netherlands) vs Rannohana (Ukraine)

XiaoTan

1. Germany (2nd),

2. Germany(1st),

3. Spain-E (1st),

4. Germany (ET),

5. Italy (ET),

6. Spain-E (ET),

7. Italy (1st),

8. Spain-E (2nd),

9. Italy (2nd)

Rannohana

1) Germany (2nd)

2) Spain (E) (2nd)

3) Germany (1st)

4) Spain (E) (1st)

5) Italy (1st)

6) Spain (E) (ET)

7) Germany (ET)

8) Italy (2nd)

9) Italy (ET)

gyoji comment: similar teams, as i imagine they all are these days, but XiaoTan with a slightly better trust in germany.

For the Bowl!

Harinezumi (Czech Rep) vs Mischashimaru (Sweden)

Harinezumi:

1. Germany X second

2. Spain w second

3. germany extra

4. Spain extra

5. germany first

6. Spain first

7. Italy second

8. Italy extra

9. Italy first

Commento: Three teams in the bowl semis, not bad. None lft to cheer for really but hopefully some good football to watch at least.

Mischashimaru:

1. Spain (E) (2. Half)

2. Germany (2. Half)

3. Spain (E)(1. Half)

4. Germany (1. Half)

5. Spain (E)(ET)

6. Germany (ET)

7. Italy (1. Half)

8. Italy (2. Half)

9. Italy (ET)

Comment: GOOO GERMANY!!! Take the Cup!!

gyoji comment: we've got the same teams, but some different configurations for germany and spain.

[Andonishiki 171]

SEMIFINALS - yeah !!!

here are two of the four hot shots, going for the CUP, the CHAMPIONSHIP, the honor, glory, hookers & blo.... and so on...

JAKUSOTSU

Italy © (E.T.)

Spain (E.T.)

Spain (2nd)

Spain (1st)

Germany (E) (1st)

Germany (E) (2nd)

Italy © (2nd)

Italy © (1st)

Germany (E) (E.T.)

Portugal (E.T.)

Portugal (2nd)

Portugal (1st)

comment: Sheesh, this is even more complicated than FAWL!

ASASHOSAKARI

1. POR © [ET]

2. GER [1st]

3. ESP (E) [1st]

4. ESP (E) [ET]

5. GER [ET]

6. ESP (E) [2nd]

7. GER [2nd]

8. POR [2nd]

9. POR [1st]

Comment: Total crapshoot except for a sneaky gambit in the first slot... My basic prediction: Spain to cruise into the final comfortably, and Germany to beat Italy but possibly need extra time and/or penalties.

Gyoji comment - Steven Spielberg would be delighted... so much E.T. in the first slot.

Apart from Alien repurcussions, both German speaking contenders seem to expect another Espana vs D-sssschlaaaaaand final...

I`m not sure at all.... almost everyone expected Barca vs Real this year in the CL... and we all know what happened.

Can't believe only three matches till this tournament is over, thank god we have Wimbledon, the athletics Euro championship and soon..... SUUUUMOOOOO

Hakkeyoi, you Portugese greasy hero CR7 !!!!!!!

[Andonishiki 171]

and in the lower half of the table, we have another match

the mighty DOITSUYAMA vs the alphabetic droner Pandaazuma (who didnt submit a line up for this match)

DOITSUYAMA

1. Germany © (E.T.)

2. Spain (E.T.)

3. Portugal (E.T.)

4. Germany (1st)

5. Germany (2nd)

6. Spain (1st)

7. Spain (2nd)

8. Portugal (1st)

9. Italy (E.T.)

10. Portugal (2nd)

11. Italy (1st)

12. Italy (2nd)

Comment: I hope the Germany-Italy match will be decided in regular time as this German team is too active to go for a draw. Maybe foolish as six of seven Germany-Italy matches in EC or WC were drawn after 90 minutes as well as the friendly last year between pretty much these lineups. But I just like to think this Germany is different from the past. For the other match I really think Portugal will make this a match, not parking the bus, but reluctantly acknowledge that Spain is more likely to win.

Pandaazuma has only Germany and Portugal ® left, so I guess his line up must be

1. Germany 1st

2. Germany 2nd

3. Germany ET

4. Portugal 1st ®

5. Portugal 2nd

6. Portugal ET

Gyoji comment - all ETs to the front, interesting thought... 12 slots vs 6, in my humble opinion, only a Portuguese victory could cost Doitsuyama this match.

and now let's turn over to Donesk and the national anthems.... ALL RAISE

[Andonishiki 171]

apologies to Xiao Tan for sending my line up so late.... had send it to Achiyama first

here it is again now for the public

line up semifinal

andonishiki

1. Germany (1st)

2. Germany (2nd)

3. Spain (E) (2nd)

4. Spain (E.T)

5.Germany (E) (E.T.)

6. Italy (1st)

7. Spain (1st)

8. Italy (2nd)

9. Italy (E.T)

comment: after two footie free days, the tensionshave dramatically cooled...

to bring them back up to usual level, we suggest a pre-match Turkey (not roasted) vs Syriah

and my mind is somehow already in Nagoya with the boyz in the white polo-shirts

but let's get down to SUUPA-DUPA ICE business and CR7 to kick out Tiki-Taka (from Taka-Tuka Land)

[Achiyama 1,272]

By mistake I sent my line-up to Chabonowaka, instead of to XiaoTan. Im very sorry.

If you are willing to honor my line-up here it is (Chabonowaka can confirm it) the message I sent to Chabonowaka:

"Sent Yesterday, 23:20

Hi Chabonowaka,

Here is my squad for the semifianls,:

1.) Germany (E) (1st)

2.) Spain (1st)

3.) Germany (E) (ET)

4.) Germany (E) (2nd)

5.) Spain (ET)

6.) Spain (2nd)

Achiyama"

If not, I'll live with Unintentional Droning. :-(

[Kintamayama 47,360]

CHABONOWAKA vs. KINTAMAYAMA

CHABONOWAKA

1. © Spain (2nd half)

2. Germany (1st half)

3. Germany (2nd half)

4. Spain (1st half)

5. (E) Portugal (2nd half)

6. Italy (1st half)

7. Italy (2nd half)

8. Portugal (2nd half)

9. Spain (ET)

10. Germany (ET)

11. Italy (ET)

12. Portugal (ET)

Monoii!! I need a ruling on this ASAP as it pertains to the paralel cup as well..

[Achiyama 1,272]

Something happened with the communication, more precisely, lack of communication between some of the players (Andonishiki and I) with our Gyoji XiaoTan. I sent my line-up to Chabonowaka, Andonishiki sent his line-up to me. We both had to send them to XiaoTan, as he was our Gyoji.

And as I don't see posted the matchup Pitinosato vs. Rubensan ( also Gyoji-ed by XiaoTan) I wonder whether there were some problems of communication as well.

As some confusion happened about the matchups and the Gyojis - maybe a better format of posting the matchups and the Gyoji would have been"

Name of the Gyoji

Matchup 1: A vs. B (Cup)

Matchup 2: X vs. Z (Saucer)

Instead of the format used. This is just my opinion and recommendation for the future.

[Achiyama 1,272]

CHABONOWAKA vs. KINTAMAYAMA

CHABONOWAKA

1. © Spain (2nd half)

2. Germany (1st half)

3. Germany (2nd half)

4. Spain (1st half)

5. (E) Portugal (2nd half)

6. Italy (1st half)

7. Italy (2nd half)

8. Portugal (2nd half)

9. Spain (ET)

10. Germany (ET)

11. Italy (ET)

12. Portugal (ET)

Monoii!! I need a ruling on this ASAP as it pertains to the paralel cup as well..

I am sorry I didn't notice it. I think Slot #5 should be (1st half), Slot #8 should be Portugal (E) (2nd half), and Slot #12 should be Portugal (E) (ET). Of course, I'd like to hear from Jejima as well.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Achiyama

[chabonowaka 2]

Something happened with the communication, more precisely, lack of communication between some of the players (Andonishiki and I) with our Gyoji XiaoTan. I sent my line-up to Chabonowaka, Andonishiki sent his line-up to me. We both had to send them to XiaoTan, as he was our Gyoji.

And as I don't see posted the matchup Pitinosato vs. Rubensan ( also Gyoji-ed by XiaoTan) I wonder whether there were some problems of communication as well.

As some confusion happened about the matchups and the Gyojis - maybe a better format of posting the matchups and the Gyoji would have been"

Name of the Gyoji

Matchup 1: A vs. B (Cup)

Matchup 2: X vs. Z (Saucer)

Instead of the format used. This is just my opinion and recommendation for the future.

i can confirm the reception of Achiyama's lineup. i wasn't looking at my messages when i got it though, as i had already gotten all of the lineups for the bouts i am gyojiing. otherwise, i would have forwarded it to XiaoTan, had i known, and/or mentioned it to Achiyama. for what it's worth, here is his lineup as copied from the PM he sent me:

Hi Chabonowaka,

Here is my squad for the semifianls,:

1.) Germany (E) (1st)

2.) Spain (1st)

3.) Germany (E) (ET)

4.) Germany (E) (2nd)

5.) Spain (ET)

6.) Spain (2nd)

heck, if someone wants, they can have permission to log into my account and check the message for themselves. also, i must apologize yet again for yet another mistake i made with my lineup. i believe my penalty for an improper lineup is a red card?

[XiaoTan 93]

I am in Asia - I will post line-ups soon - but I can't afford to spend two consecutive nights without sleep - and I need to see Germany tonight :-)

[XiaoTan 93]

Plate semi-final:

Achiyama (Greece)

1. Germany (E) (1st)

2. Spain (1st)

3. Germany (E) (ET)

4. Germany (E) (2nd)

5. Spain (ET)

6. Spain (2nd)

vs Andonishiki (France)

1. Germany (1st)

2. Germany (2nd)

3. Spain (E) (2nd)

4. Spain (E.T)

5. Germany (E) (E.T.)

6. Italy (1st)

7. Spain (1st)

8. Italy (2nd)

9. Italy (E.T)

Comment: after two footie free days, the tensionshave dramatically cooled...

to bring them back up to usual level, we suggest a pre-match Turkey (not roasted) vs Syriah

and my mind is somehow already in Nagoya with the boyz in the white polo-shirts

but let's get down to SUUPA-DUPA ICE business and CR7 to kick out Tiki-Taka (from Taka-Tuka Land)

[XiaoTan 93]

And the Bowl semifinal:

Pitinosato (Germany)

1. Germany R (2nd)

2. Spain E (1st)

3. Germany (ET)

4. Spain E (ET)

5. Germany (1st)

6. Spain E (2nd)

vs Rubensan (Spain)

1. Italy (2nd) (E)

2. Spain (2nd) ®

3. Spain (1st)

4. Spain (E.T.)

5. Italy (E.T.)

6. Italy (1st)

Comment: Let's go for the bowl!

Gyoji comment: Germany and Spain meet in the semi-finals. Things might be decided after 90 minutes of the Germany Italy game. If not, we might be in for a penalty shoot-out.

[Andonishiki 171]

thanks Xiao Tan and please cheer for Germany as loud as you can, also in Asia !

The Italians won't be allowed to spoil our party again, as they did in 2006.

I still remember that sad morning in the Legends sportsbar, Roppongi, 5:50am....

it already was light outside, but inside my heart a deep, dark silence took over.

but today.... it's HUMBAHUMBAHUMBA TÄTÄRÄÄÄÄÄ time (old teutonian attacking song)

gebt mit ein Haaahhh !

[Jejima 1,498]

Hi all - sorry for my long absence.

I watched the match last night, and then was busy this morning - and was too sleepy this afternoon - I am not in a good time zone for this competition - especially when it goes to extra time - and penalties ;-)

Okay some rijicho rulings....

As no money is involved - all line-ups are allowed (even if sent to the wrong referee) - as long as someone with authority was notified.

Regarding the accidental Chabonowaka double Portugal (2nd).....

This is a tricky one to make a decision on (especially now that the results are in), but I think the first instance of entry should be allowed as 'correct' - and the second (erroneous) repeat is therefore wrong, and so should be removed from its place in the line-up. Therefore the 'missing' Portugal 1st half should be placed to the last slot.

I realise that (after the event) this might help chabonowaka - but if Portugal had won the first half - just think how Kintamayama would have felt if the official decision had been to change chabo's prediction....

So, the official ruling is, the first instance of a double line-up is allowed. The second is not. Any 'missing' teams are added to the end of the 'chain'.

Edit: In the case that there are 'two or more' missing teams, they are added in the same order that they were for the previous round. If it is the 'same team', then the order is 1st half, 2nd half, Extra Time.

Have I covered all bases?

Edited June 28, 2012 by Jejima

[Jejima 1,498]

I would like to ask you all your opinions (before I finalise the rules tomorrow), about the finals..... For the Bench World Cup, we used the same rules (apart from penalties) as we used for the semi-finals - as there was a 3rd-4th play-off match. But for the Euros, we do not have this second match.

My thoughts are....

1) (My least favourite idea) - we try to play with the same rules, but expect most matches to be decided by penalties.

2) We sub-divide the final match further... Either

a) 4 sets of 30 minutes. (1-30 mins, 31-60 mins, 61 -90 mins, 91-120 mins)

b) 6 sets of 15 minutes (1-15, 16-30, 31-45, 45-60, 61-75, 76-90, 91-105, 106-120)

I am currently favouring 2b), as I think the large number of 'draws' will not affect the overall game much - but will make results in 'normal time' much more likely. However, for a game to be fun and 'playable', the rules need to be as simple as possible, and I fear requesting players to divide the match into 15 minute segments might be a step too far....

Let me know your thoughts! (For the World Cup 2014 - if we play it - we will not have this problem, as the semi-final rules just about make the game 'interesting' - only for 'Euros')

[Jejima 1,498]

I think for the next World Cup it might also be worth exploring to maybe not add any new teams at all (I think we got to add one each for L16 and QF last time?), but start the half-time rules already for the quarterfinals as compensation, because I recall the same "everyone's got every team" phenomenon for the semis there.

If we get 32 players (no means assured!) for 2014, then my current thinking is this (and please respond)...

...we don't want players to drop out, as they have no 'decent' teams left (as playing against drones is not much fun).

...but, we also don't want every player to have every team on their squad.

...So... My current idea is to allow just one extra pick each (for the round of 16), but with further special rules (and this is the problem - too many rules might turn some players off...). The special rules are that for the 'extra team' chosen, they 'break their chain' with a draw (if against a 'win' or 'draw' from a 'normal' team) as well as with a loss. But 'wins' count as for a 'normal' team. So a player who has lost most of their squad after the group stages can still have a chance - if they pick a good extra team - but that 'extra team' must keep winning ;-)

Edited June 28, 2012 by Jejima

[XiaoTan 93]

Being in Asia desparately trying to stay awake for the next 2h...

How about option 2c) If we were to keep the number of choices constant, all we have to do is to break each half into two: 1st quarter, 2nd quarter, 3rd quarter and 4th quarter as well as the two halfs of extra time. The 1st quarter equals minutes 1 to 23, then 24 to 45, 46 to 68, 69 to 90 etc.

:-)