Bench Euro 2012

[Achiyama 1,272]

I received the line-up from Rubensan. All good. Thank you.

I received Harinezumi's line-up first. Thank you ,BUT....... your line -up is not complete, you must have 10 teams on your squad. Please, fix it - otherwise Droning will be applied.

Still waiting for the line-ups from XiaoTan an Andonishiki.

DEADLINE IS 1 (ONE) HOUR BEFORE KICK OFF. THANKS

[Achiyama 1,272]

Drone rules for the final match....

Hopefully nobody will drone, but just in case....

If the drone has no teams left - then that is easy (but such players are still requested to make 'an entry', even though it is just a comment,) - you can figure out the line-up for yourself ;-)

If the drone only has one team left in his squad (either Italy or Spain), then the line-up is done in the order of time:

e.g.

Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5

If the drone has both teams (so Italy and Spain), then check to see which of these teams featured earlier in any format (1st, 2nd or ET) in their semifinal line-ups. Let's say it was Spain.

Then arrange the line-up as follows:-

Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5, 6. Italy 1, 7. Italy 2, 8. Italy 3, 9. Italy 4, 10. Italy 5

I hope this is clear.

How about if the player has either an ®, © or (E) team - when droning do the Drone still has the benefits of these teams, or they have to be considered as (N) teams???

[Jejima 1,498]

Drone rules for the final match....

Hopefully nobody will drone, but just in case....

If the drone has no teams left - then that is easy (but such players are still requested to make 'an entry', even though it is just a comment,) - you can figure out the line-up for yourself ;-)

If the drone only has one team left in his squad (either Italy or Spain), then the line-up is done in the order of time:

e.g.

Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5

If the drone has both teams (so Italy and Spain), then check to see which of these teams featured earlier in any format (1st, 2nd or ET) in their semifinal line-ups. Let's say it was Spain.

Then arrange the line-up as follows:-

Drone: 1. Spain 1, 2. Spain 2, 3. Spain 3, 4. Spain 4, 5. Spain 5, 6. Italy 1, 7. Italy 2, 8. Italy 3, 9. Italy 4, 10. Italy 5

I hope this is clear.

How about if the player has either an ®, © or (E) team - when droning do the Drone still has the benefits of these teams, or they have to be considered as (N) teams???

For this tournament, (E) teams are treated the same as (N) teams.

A drone receives full benefit of ® and © teams (in the first slot where they appear).

[XiaoTan 93]

I have received entries from

Doitsuyama

Kameumi

Kintamayama

Still wating for Asashosakari's entry

And I'll only be able topost tomorrow morning after the game - in case someone wonders.

Edited July 1, 2012 by XiaoTan

[chabonowaka 2]

hi all,

for the record, i'm still waiting for lineups from Mischashimaru and Pitinosato for the final. match starts in 3 hours-ish. quick, get me your lineups! (i really need this match to be over so i can concentrate on getting my bench team together.) :)

[Andonishiki 171]

final day.... two more matches to judge

first for the battle of THE WOODEN SPOON (the 15th place of our little game)

JEJIMA vs PANDAAZUMA

Jejima

1. Spain 4

2. Spain 2

3. Spain 5

4. Spain 1

5. Spain 3

Comment: Many thanks to all referees and players of this game. I hope you enjoyed it!

Pandaazuma

no active teams left.... therefore Panda has to hope, that Jeez won't score and hope for penalty kicks.

Gyoji Comment

In my humble opinion, these are were favorites at the beginning of the tournament.... their long-term bench records and dedication for gaming clearly has proved that.... but well, sometimes life plays dirty tricks with us, so we´re here in the woods now.

but don´t get me wrong, a spoon can be a life saver !

Spoooooon !

JOGI RAUS

[Andonishiki 171]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd now............................

ONE MOMENT IN TIME.....................................

the battle of giants is HERE

=============================== T H E F I N A L ====================================

the master of efficiency, the frankonian stalion JAAAAAKUUUUUUSOOOOOOOOTSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

vs

my good old SAKURA friend and fellow gyoji, the INDEPENDENCE WARRIOR from Philadelphia CHAAAABOOOONOWAAAKAAA

..........................................RET'S GET READY TO RAAAAAAMMMMMBOOOOOOOOOOOO...................................

JAKUSATSU

Italy 1 ©

Italy 5

Spain 2

Spain 3

Italy 4

Spain 4

Italy 3

Italy 2

Spain 5

Spain 1

Comment: This final reminds me a lot of Portgual vs. Greece in 2004, and it's me that's playing the part of Greece B-)

Thanks to all the hard-working gyojis, especially my good luck Schiri Andonishiki.

Let's roll, chabo!

CHABONOWAKA

1. © Spain 2

2. Italy 4

3. Italy 1

4. Spain 1

5. Spain 3

6, Italy 2

7. Spain 4

8. Italy 3

9. Spain 5

10. Italy 5

comment: i'm not quite sure how i made it this far, aside from having two yokozuna's on my team, plus a good dose of luck. frankly, the oddsmakers helped me out a bit, too. :) anyway, i have done my best. good luck to my Jakusotsu, and i hope i defeat you soundly! go sakura!!!!! (i'm mixing my games here)

Gyoji Comment: first of all, it`s a huge honor to be selected as the gyoji of the finals....

I will move forward only and try to do my very best to fill these boots.

Looking at the line-ups, it`s all about timing.... Spain doesnt score too often and if they do rather late...

Italy has two quite unpredictable guys attacking, so for me it`s more likely, that Italy scores early...

Personally I would like to see Italy to win 5:4, but with Buffon and Casillas, that`s rather unlikely.

Both Jaku and Chabo deserve it, as they showed enthusiasm and great football knowledge...

may the better man win and have a beer with the gyoji soon !!!

LET`S PLAY BALL !!!!

JOGI RAUS

[Achiyama 1,272]

The deadline is over. Here are the line-ups:

The PLATE final:

XIAOTAN vs. ANDONISHIKI

XIAOTAN

1. Italy 2

2. Italy 1

3. Spain 4

4. Spain 3

5. Italy 5

6. Spain 5

7. Italy 3

8. Spain 1

9. Italy 4

10. Spain 2

Comment: I am still grieving about Germany's ext, so no comment :-)

vs.

ANDONISHIKI

1. Italy 2

2. Italy 3

3. Italy 1

4. Spain 4

5. Spain 5

6. Spain 3

7. Spain 2

8. Spain 1

9. Italy 4

10 Italy 5

Comment: Let's hope for a thrilling final with a 5:4 Italy win after 90 minutes ;-)

Forza fratelli d'Italia, tame the tiki-taka tossers

thank u all for a very amusing game.

JOGI RAUS !

Gyoji's comment: It will be an interesting match between XiaoTan and Andonishiki. XiaoTan shuffled his teams while Andonishiki chose to go in blocks. We'll see whose strategy pays off.

Good luck to both of you !!!

[Achiyama 1,272]

Battle for 11th Place:

RUBENSAN vs. HARINEZUMI

RUBENSAN

1. Spain 3 ®

2. Spain 1

3. Spain 4

4. Spain 2

5. Spain 5

6. Italy 1 (E)

7. Italy 3

8. Italy 2

9. Italy 4

10. Italy 5

Comment: What to say... It was a pleasure to play this game, although my performance was terrible. I hope I win this last game, it would probably mean good news for Spain.

vs.

HARINEZUMI

This is Harinezumi and here are my picks for 11th place finals:

Spain 5

Spain 4

Spain 3

Italy.

Italy 1

Comment: fun game, too bad it takes me so long to figure out any sort of strategy so I will forget all of it by 2014 and playncrummy in the opening round again.

Harinezumi's line is incomplete. I tried to communicate this to him via Sumoforum's PM and a post, but he didn't respond.

I am offering 2 (two) versions and I'll wait fo Jejima's ruling which one to be used.

Version 1 (full DRONING):

Spain 1

Spain 2

Spain 3

Spain 4

Spain 5

Italy 1

Italy 2

Italy 3

Italy 4

Italy 5

OR

Version 2 - semi-DRONIG:

Honor Harinezumi's picks and spots, removing Spot #4, because the segment # is missing, Spot #5 becomes #4, and then complete the line-up in a droning style using the rest of the teams/segments:

Spain 5

Spain 4

Spain 3

Italy 1

Spain 1

Spain 2

Italy 2

Italy 3

Italy 4

Italy 5

Gyoji's comment: Good luck to both of you !!!

[Harry 67]

I think I understand how to send my finals picks to Achiyama.

Do I need to send penalties again?

Harinezumi,

I sent you a personal message regarding your squad.

I think I understand how to send my finals picks to Achiyama.

Do I need to send penalties again?

Harinezumi,

I sent you a personal message regarding your squad.

Oh oh... Just read this now...

[Andonishiki 171]

unofficially... I'd like to announce the WINNER of the BENCH EURO 2012:

C_H_A_B_A_N_O_W_A_K_A

as jakusotsu's chain breaks on slot 1 and chabo scores on slot 1, this is an easy judgement.

The winner takes it all and the CUP goes to Philadelphia, PA ( that's not in Europe, is it ?...:-)

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S

final confo to be coming to this forum soon

[Andonishiki 171]

battle for 15th place, the wooden spoon

Jejima beats Pandaazuma 4:0

Thank you everyone and good luck for the Nagoya basho and all other endavors !

[Achiyama 1,272]

XiaoTan brought to my attention that I made an error (again) and again involving the re-opening of the chains after both had been broken. At least the result is the same - win for Andonishiki, but the score is 2:1.

Here are the revised preliminary results for the games I was gyojiing:

The PLATE goes to ANDONISHIKI who wins 2:1.

Here is my reasoning:

Slot #1 - Both teams are removed.

Slot #2 - Score 0:0 XiaoTan's chain is broken. Andonishiki's chain is unbroken (Situation #1).

Slot #3 - Score 0:0. Andonishiki's chain is broken (Situation #7).

Both chains are re-opened for further scoring.

Slot #4 - Score 1:0. Andonishiki scored a goal, both chains remain unbroken (Situation #7).

Slot #5 - Score 1:0. No goals scored, both chains remain unbroken (Situation #7).

Slot #6 - Score 1:0. No goals scored, both chains remain unbroken (Situation #7).

Slot #7 - Score 2:0. Andonishiki scores a goal, both chains remain unbroken (Situation #7).

Slot #8 - Both teams are removed.

Slot #9 - Both teams are removed.

Slot #10 - Score 2:1. XiaoTan scored a goal, both chains remain unbroken (Situation #7).

GAME OVER. ANDONISHIKI WINS 2:1.

CONGRATULATIONS !!! Of course, we have to wait for the confirmation by the Executive Gyojis.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Achiyama

[Achiyama 1,272]

The second game is a little bit complicated.

First, I have to wait for the ruling on which version to apply, but either version gives the win to HARINEZUMI, because of Rubensan's ® team at Slot #1 and he chose the most unbenefitial segment 3, where Spain was in a DRAW. Look the next slots #2, #3 and #4 were all wins for him. If he had chosen one of them for Slot #1 he would have been uncontested winner. So, I am feeling for Rubensan.

Second, it will be a pity (in case Version 2 is ruled) Rubensan's ® team to be defeated (his chain broken) by Spain 5, which never happened. I think something is wrong.

So, my preliminary judgement is that Harinesumi is the winner, unless the Executive Gyojis see something differently than me (how it happened in the SF round).

By the way, I figured out why my scoring during the SF round was so off Jejima's scoring. I never did the reopening of the chains after both were broken. My opinion is that it is not the best way, and only complicates the scoring and the gyojiing.

So the rules have to be carefully worked out for the Bench World Cup 2014.

[Achiyama 1,272]

Spain absolutely demolished Italy and maybe gave some comfort to the fans of Germany.

This final round in Bench Euro 2012 looks like a good one for droning, when you have Spain in your squad and have it first. I wonder how many people did drone, as not all line-ups were published before the game.

[Achiyama 1,272]

battle for 15th place, the wooden spoon

Jejima beats Pandaazuma 4:0

Thank you everyone and good luck for the Nagoya basho and all other endavors !

Isn't the win 5:0? Unless you exclude Spain 5 which never happened.

[XiaoTan 93]

Battle for 3rd place

Asashosakari vs. Kintamayama

1. Spain 2 1.Italy ® (2)

2. Spain 4 2. Italy (1)

3. Spain 3 3. Italy (3)

4. Spain 1 4. Italy (5)

5. Spain 5 5.Italy (4)

6. ........... 6.Spain (E)(5)

7. ........... 7. Spain (4)

8. ........... 8. Spain (3)

9. ........... 9.Spain (2)

10............ 10. Spain (1)

Comment by Asashosakari: "Comment: Crapshoot, part 2. Perhaps with a better ending than in the semis... The group match between Kinta and me was a draw - I suspect I'll decisively lose on penalties if that happens here again."

Comment by Kintamayama: "It was fun, should have stuck with Italy (that I predicted will win the Cup at the very beginning..)all the way, instead of chickening out in the semis. I would have been in the finals today".

As for the game, I have no idea how the scoring works-way too complicated for me, so I just put the guys where I hope they'll do well...

Gyoji - Comment: "It is all Italy against Spain in the battle for 3rd place."

Scoring: Kintamayama's chain breaks in the first place and Asashosakari wins 3:0. Congratulations to Asashosakari!

Edited July 2, 2012 by XiaoTan

[Jejima 1,498]

Battle for 11th Place:

RUBENSAN vs. HARINEZUMI

RUBENSAN

1. Spain 3 ®

2. Spain 1

3. Spain 4

4. Spain 2

5. Spain 5

6. Italy 1 (E)

7. Italy 3

8. Italy 2

9. Italy 4

10. Italy 5

Comment: What to say... It was a pleasure to play this game, although my performance was terrible. I hope I win this last game, it would probably mean good news for Spain.

vs.

HARINEZUMI

This is Harinezumi and here are my picks for 11th place finals:

Spain 5

Spain 4

Spain 3

Italy.

Italy 1

Comment: fun game, too bad it takes me so long to figure out any sort of strategy so I will forget all of it by 2014 and playncrummy in the opening round again.

Harinezumi's line is incomplete. I tried to communicate this to him via Sumoforum's PM and a post, but he didn't respond.

I am offering 2 (two) versions and I'll wait fo Jejima's ruling which one to be used.

Version 1 (full DRONING):

Spain 1

Spain 2

Spain 3

Spain 4

Spain 5

Italy 1

Italy 2

Italy 3

Italy 4

Italy 5

OR

Version 2 - semi-DRONIG:

Honor Harinezumi's picks and spots, removing Spot #4, because the segment # is missing, Spot #5 becomes #4, and then complete the line-up in a droning style using the rest of the teams/segments:

Spain 5

Spain 4

Spain 3

Italy 1

Spain 1

Spain 2

Italy 2

Italy 3

Italy 4

Italy 5

Gyoji's comment: Good luck to both of you !!!

Version 2

[XiaoTan 93]

battle for 15th place, the wooden spoon

Jejima beats Pandaazuma 4:0

Thank you everyone and good luck for the Nagoya basho and all other endavors !

Isn't the win 5:0? Unless you exclude Spain 5 which never happened.

Plenty of choices here - I would have thought 3:0 as Spain did not score in the 3rd and 5th sections...

Edited July 2, 2012 by XiaoTan

[chabonowaka 2]

Spain absolutely demolished Italy and maybe gave some comfort to the fans of Germany.

This final round in Bench Euro 2012 looks like a good one for droning, when you have Spain in your squad and have it first. I wonder how many people did drone, as not all line-ups were published before the game.

my fault there, as i was waiting it out, hoping i would get a lineup from the last of my folks for whom i was gyoji-ing. i didn't see it come in, so if Mischashimaru put in a lineup, did you give it to someone else by mistake? or did i just miss it somehow? either way, i'm going to go and calculate the matches i was gyoji-ing now. (victory speech later, yay me!)

[chabonowaka 2]

and i've calculated the matches i was gyoji-ing!

the first match is for 7th place, and features Rannohana (Ukraine) vs. Achiyama (Greece). Rannohana has both teams active, while Achiyama has only the Spaniards on his squad.

in the first slot, both players win, so no goal.

in the second slot, Achiyama's spain (1) wins, but Rannohana's spain (5) does not, so goal for Achiyama!

in the third slot, Rannohana took italy in the 1st section, and they lost, while Achiyama had spain (5). no goal, but Rannohana is out! chain broken!

that seals the win for Achiyama, and he is unable to score in his last two slots, so the win is for Achiyama, 1-0!

congratulations Achiyama!

the second match is for the Bench Bowl! this one features Mischashimaru (Sweden) vs Pitinosato (Germany)

well, this one has both players going with Spain only, so i think there is no way it can end with any other result than a shootout. so i will leave it to Jejima. (this is right, yes?)

(also, should i, for posterity sake, post the lineups for my matches, even though it's late now?)

[XiaoTan 93]

And here is the saucy final

Doitsuyama

1. Spain 4, 2. Spain 3, 3. Spain 5, 4. Spain 2, 5. Spain 1, 6. Italy 5, 7. Italy 1, 8. Italy 2, 9. Italy 3, 10. Italy 4

Comment: "I'm not nearly as confident in Spain as my picks are showing. But I don't think there is a true system to the madness of 5 time frames within a game, so I have all Spain in front, but I think they are only slight favorites."

vs. Kameumi

1. (E) Italy 2, 2. (E) Italy 1, 3. (E) Italy 4, 4. (E) Italy 5, 5. (E) Italy 3

Comment: "Final Time! I always wanted a Saucer (Flying or not!) and its time to get one. Forza Italia!"

Gyoji comment: I am blessed by two Spain-Italy match-ups, so at least I get the winner right!

Scoring: Doitsuyama wins 3:0. Congratulations

[Achiyama 1,272]

I already posted the match for the PLATE won by ANDONISHIKI 2:1.

Jejima's ruling on Harinezumi's squad was Version 2 (see the post above, where I posted the line-ups) - the Semi-Droning.

According to me Harinezumi wins the match 2:0.

Here is my reasoning:

Slot #1: Harinezumi has Spain 5 (Draw) vs. Rubensan's Spain ® 3 (Draw) Score 0:0. Hari's chain unbroken, while Rubensan's chain is broken (Situation #2).

Slot #2: Harinezumi has Spain 4 (Win) vs. Rubensan's Spain 1 Score 0:0. Hari's chain remains unbroken, Rubensan's remains broken (Situation #7).

Slot #3: Harinezumi has Spain 3 (Draw) vs. Rubensan's Spain 4 (Win) Score 0:0. Hari's chain remains unbroken, Rubensan's remains broken (Situation #7).

Slot #4: harinezumi has Italy 1 (Loss) vs. Rubensan's Spain 2 (Win) Score 0:0. Hari's chain is broken, Rubensan's remains broken (Situation #7).

If it was the groups round the match would have finished in a draw 0:0.

In this case the match is reopened for scoring at Slot #5.

Slot #5: Harinezumi has Spain 1 (Win) vs. Rubensan's Spain 5 (Draw) Score 1:0. Hari's chain remains unbroken, Rubensan's chain remains also unbroken (Sit.#1)

Slot #6: Harinezumi has Spain 2 (Win) vs. Rubensan's Italy 1 (Loss) Score 2:0. Hari's chain remains unbroken, Rubensan's chain is broken (Situation #1).

Slot #7: Harinezumi has Italy 2 (Loss) vs. Rubensan's Italy 3 (Draw) Score 2:0. Hari's chain is broken, Rubensan's remains broken (Situation #7).

GAME IS OVER.

The remaining slots:

Slot #8: Harinezumi has Italy 3 (Loss) vs. Rubensan's Italy 3 (Draw)

Slot #9: Harinezumi has Italy 4 (Loss) vs. Rubensan's Italy 4 (Loss) Both teams are removed.

Slot #10: Harinezumi has Italy 5 (Draw) vs. Rubensan's Italy 5 (Draw) Both teams are removed.

So, according to me HARINEZUMI is the WINNER and he takes 11th place, and Rubensan finishes 12th.

Of course, the Exec Gyojis have to confirm this scoring. (This time I think I did it right )

If Version 1 (full droning) was ruled, Harinezumi still would have been a winner, but the score would have been 1:0 (after a quick check).

Edited July 2, 2012 by Achiyama

[Achiyama 1,272]

battle for 15th place, the wooden spoon

Jejima beats Pandaazuma 4:0

Thank you everyone and good luck for the Nagoya basho and all other endavors !

Isn't the win 5:0? Unless you exclude Spain 5 which never happened.

Plenty of choices here - I would have thought 3:0 as Spain did not score in the 3rd and 5th sections...

I think you are right, the score should be 3:0 because D vs. L (broken) is 0:0 (Situation #7) :(

[XiaoTan 93]

battle for 15th place, the wooden spoon

Jejima beats Pandaazuma 4:0

Thank you everyone and good luck for the Nagoya basho and all other endavors !

Isn't the win 5:0? Unless you exclude Spain 5 which never happened.

Plenty of choices here - I would have thought 3:0 as Spain did not score in the 3rd and 5th sections...

I think you are right, the score should be 3:0 because D vs. L (broken) is 0:0 (Situation #7) :(

Well, I also think I lost 0:0 and 2:1 to Andonishiki after extra-time (his slot should have been broken in 3rd place), but this is a difficult line-up to judge, so I am anything but sure.