Doitsuyama 1,259 Posted May 12, 2011 Day 5 Juryo Ms4e Nionoumi (2-1) oshidashi J14w Tsurugidake (3-2) Ms3w Kaonishiki (2-1) oshidashi J13w Yoshiazuma (2-3) Ms3e Arawashi (1-2) uwatenage J13e Masuraumi (0-5) J12e Sagatsukasa (3-2) yorikiri J12w Tamaasuka (2-3) J9e Masunoyama (4-1) yorikiri J10w Hochiyama (2-3) J8w Fujiazuma (4-1) oshitaoshi J11e Shironoryu (2-3) J7w Akiseyama (2-3) tsukiotoshi J9w Sadanofuji (1-4) J2e Bushuyama (3-2) oshidashi J8e Sadanoumi (3-2) J1w Tamanoshima (1-4) yorikiri J6w Kokkai (0-5) J1e Takayasu (3-2) tsukidashi J3e Takarafuji (3-2) Makuuchi J4e Daido (3-2) tsukidashi M17e Kimurayama (2-3) M16e Miyabiyama (3-2) oshidashi M15e Takamisakari (2-3) M14e Gagamaru (2-3) yorikiri M14w Tochinonada (2-3) M16w Kaisei (5-0) yoritaoshi M13w Tokitenku (1-4) M10w Wakakoyu (2-3) hikiotoshi M11w Tochinowaka (1-4) M12w Toyohibiki (5-0) oshidashi M9w Asasekiryu (4-1) M8e Kyokutenho (2-3) yorikiri M8w Shotenro (1-4) M9e Tosayutaka (4-1) katasukashi M7w Yoshikaze (3-2) M6e Tamawashi (2-3) yorikiri M5w Wakanosato (2-3) M5e Aran (2-3) yoritaoshi M6w Tochinoshin (4-1) M4e Okinoumi (2-3) oshidashi M3w Aminishiki (2-3) K1e Kakuryu (3-2) oshitaoshi K1w Toyonoshima (0-5) S1e Kotoshogiku (4-1) yorikiri M4w Takekaze (2-3) O2w Harumafuji (3-2) sotogake S1w Kisenosato (2-3) O2e Baruto (4-1) yorikiri M2w Tochiozan (2-3) O1w Kaio (4-1) yorikiri M2e Homasho (1-4) M1e Goeido (4-1) tsukiotoshi O1e Kotooshu (1-4) Y1e Hakuho (5-0) yorikiri M3e Kitataiki (1-4) Day 6 Juryo Ms4w Matsutani (3-0) J12w Tamaasuka (2-3) J11e Shironoryu (2-3) J13w Yoshiazuma (2-3) J14w Tsurugidake (3-2) J10w Hochiyama (2-3) J9e Masunoyama (4-1) J13e Masuraumi (0-5) J12e Sagatsukasa (3-2) J8w Fujiazuma (4-1) J4e Daido (3-2) J9w Sadanofuji (1-4) J3e Takarafuji (3-2) J8e Sadanoumi (3-2) J2e Bushuyama (3-2) J6w Kokkai (0-5) J7w Akiseyama (2-3) J1w Tamanoshima (1-4) Makuuchi M15e Takamisakari (2-3) M17e Kimurayama (2-3) M14e Gagamaru (2-3) J1e Takayasu (3-2) M16e Miyabiyama (3-2) M13w Tokitenku (1-4) M16w Kaisei (5-0) M11w Tochinowaka (1-4) M9e Tosayutaka (4-1) M14w Tochinonada (2-3) M8e Kyokutenho (2-3) M12w Toyohibiki (5-0) M10w Wakakoyu (2-3) M7w Yoshikaze (3-2) M6e Tamawashi (2-3) M9w Asasekiryu (4-1) M8w Shotenro (1-4) M6w Tochinoshin (4-1) M2e Homasho (1-4) M5w Wakanosato (2-3) M5e Aran (2-3) M2w Tochiozan (2-3) K1e Kakuryu (3-2) M1e Goeido (4-1) S1e Kotoshogiku (4-1) K1w Toyonoshima (0-5) O1e Kotooshu (1-4) M4w Takekaze (2-3) M3e Kitataiki (1-4) O2w Harumafuji (3-2) O2e Baruto (4-1) S1w Kisenosato (2-3) M4e Okinoumi (2-3) O1w Kaio (4-1) Y1e Hakuho (5-0) M3w Aminishiki (2-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted May 12, 2011 Guess I picked the wrong ozeki to finish makekoshi (no, not Kaio either)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted May 12, 2011 Any speculations on causes for Osh's catastrophic start to the basho? Except dissapearance (khm) of yaocho, of course... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Trivia stuff: Hakuho's 500th makuuchi victory, fastest ever to reach that mark, beating Taiho by two bouts and six days (99 losses to 101; Taiho also was kyujo for four more days, 21 to 25). Goeido has now beaten all ozeki on the banzuke. This was most recently done by Baruto in last year's Haru basho, who however was ranked sekiwake there. The last time a maegashira did it was Toyonoshima in Kyushu 2008, also as M1e. Takamisakari had his 400th makuuchi victory yesterday. Edited May 12, 2011 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,192 Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Additionally, he was asked to be the tsuyuharai in tomorrow's Hakuhou's dohyo-iri, as the regular tsuyuharai Aminishiki is facing Hakuhou. The three other substitutes who were called upon till now- Tokusegawa, Kasugaou and Moukonami, were all dismissed from sumo. "I thought to myself- 'Hmmm...' I hope I'll be OK." he mumbled. He is also having a hard time with the new rule regarding visiting the opposite shitakubeya. He was used to going there to greet KaioU, but now can't when they are not on the same side. "It feels weird. I'll greet him at asageiko!" he promised. New hope Meigetsuin has gone kyujo today. "Right lower leg cellulitis (says Dr. Rikaichan..)- two weeks to heal. First time a Makushita tsukedashi rikishi goes kyujo since post war times. "He's not going kyujo because he is weak (he lost his first two bouts..)! I'd like him to blow away all bad thoughts next basho and gambarize," barked his shisho Kokonoe. KaioU broke Chiyotaikai's record of wins as an Ozeki and is now number one overall. " What kind of sumo will I do to keep winning.. I don't know how long I can keep this up. I'm just thinking about going forward, going forward," he said. Rikishi are complaining that because of the electricity being saved and the lights used are around 40% less than usual, the dohyo isn't "dry" enough and it is too "soft" "It's like at a jungyo. someone is going to get hurt.." lamented Hakuhou. Yesterday, Harumafuji's tsukebito took out his mobile phone in the shitakubeya after Harumafuji's bout. He explained that he went to bring it after the bout thinking it was OK. He did not make an actual phone call. Miyagino Oyakata who was in charge of inspection, had already left the building. Edited May 12, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Additionally, he was asked to be the tsuyuharai in tomorrow's Hakuhou's dohyo-iri, as the regular tsuyuharai Aminishiki is facing Hakuhou. Dumb nitpick - Aminishiki is the tachimochi, Kyokutenho is the tsuyuharai (except tomorrow, where he'll be the tachimochi). New hope Meigetsuin has gone kyujo today. "Right lower leg cellulitis (says Dr. Rikaichan..)- two weeks to heal. First time a Makushita tsukedashi rikishi goes kyujo since post war times. "He's not going kyujo because he is weak (he lost his first two bouts..)! I'd like him to blow away all bad thoughts next basho and gambarize," barked his shisho Kokonoe. Stealth Ms60Td! Edited May 12, 2011 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,192 Posted May 12, 2011 Dumb nitpick - Aminishiki is the tachimochi, Kyokutenho is the tsuyuharai (except tomorrow, where he'll be the tachimochi). Just translatin'.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,192 Posted May 13, 2011 More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kuroyama 715 Posted May 13, 2011 Any speculations on causes for Osh's catastrophic start to the basho? Except dissapearance (khm) of yaocho, of course... Let us not forget that yaocho for the Ozeki seemed to have been a matter of (probably unspoken) "gentlemen's agreements" among themselves. Osh has been losing to rikishi who we would not have guessed were involved in that even before, let alone now. His mindset has always been questionable. I wouldn't be surprised if the past few months have totally discombobulated him and that he's unable to bring any focus to his matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaak 7 Posted May 14, 2011 More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted May 14, 2011 More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever? They have now... Kaisei, go for the yusho! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaak 7 Posted May 14, 2011 More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever? They have now... Kaisei, go for the yusho! Checked the past. The all time record is held by Taiho, at 11 straight. He went on to have 12-3, but not yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harry 67 Posted May 14, 2011 More trivia- Kaisei is the first shin-new-maku to start a basho with a 5-0 in 12 years. Last one to do it was Chiyotenzan in January 1999. Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever? They have now... Kaisei, go for the yusho! Checked the past. The all time record is held by Taiho, at 11 straight. He went on to have 12-3, but not yusho. Would be quite something to match that record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,874 Posted May 14, 2011 Reminds me of Onishiki. Shin-Maku in 09/73 with an 8-1/11-4. Won the jun-yusho, all 3 sansho and a kinboshi. Went straight to komusubi. Suffered a serious back injury in the next basho, and struggled thru the rest of his career. Currently Yamashina oyakata Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,192 Posted May 14, 2011 If Kaisei wins tomorrow, it will be the first time in 38 years (May 1973) that a newmaku went 8-0. Last one to do that- Washuuyama- current Dewanoumi Oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted May 14, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's: 11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) 9 Sadanoumi, 1980.11 8 Tsunenoyama, 1949.05 8 Washuyama, 1973.05 7 Matsunosato, 1939.05 7 Itsutsuumi, 1944.05 7 Takanonami, 1991.11 6 Tenryu, 1928.05 6 Toyoshima, 1941.05 6 Takatoriki, 1990.09 At 5 wins the list starts getting a lot more crowded (13 more rikishi). As it is, the above list is quite heavy on 1940s rikishi when things were very much in flux both in the rankings and in how matches were scheduled. Kaisei is only the 6th to start at least 6-0 in the 6-basho era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaak 7 Posted May 15, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's:11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) Zensho but emphatically NOT a yusho! (3rd day result was fusensho, too) Another zensho 10-0 (Haguroyama) got the yusho. As for Taiho, the 11 wins also included fusensho on 8th day. Sadanoumi actually fought and won all 9 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 20,225 Posted May 15, 2011 Zensho but emphatically NOT a yusho! Thanks, I didn't look closely enough. (But, what does fusensho matter? They're wins like any other.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiomitsuki 408 Posted May 15, 2011 If Kaisei wins tomorrow, it will be the first time in 38 years (May 1973) that a newmaku went 8-0. Last one to do that- Washuuyama- current Dewanoumi Oyakata. the last one to win his 8 first fight as a newmaku was Sadanoumi (November 1980) not Washuyama (Applauding...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,192 Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) If Kaisei wins tomorrow, it will be the first time in 38 years (May 1973) that a newmaku went 8-0. Last one to do that- Washuuyama- current Dewanoumi Oyakata. the last one to win his 8 first fight as a newmaku was Sadanoumi (November 1980) not Washuyama (Applauding...) Yes indeed, you are correct. Edit: Correction: Sadanoumi won 9- we are talking about who won 8. Every day, we go one more in this thread-8 belongs to Washyourmama. If Kaisei wins tomorrow, we mention Sadanoumi. That's how this thread works.. Edited May 15, 2011 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintofuji 18 Posted May 15, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's:11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) Chiyonoyama won the first 3 bouts in his second basho, so would that be considered a "start" of 13 wins? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaak 7 Posted May 16, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's:11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) Chiyonoyama won the first 3 bouts in his second basho, so would that be considered a "start" of 13 wins? Chiyonoyama also won the last 5 bouts in his last juryo basho. I believe kettei-sens were invented shortly after Chiyonoyama did not get yusho with zensho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiomitsuki 408 Posted May 16, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's:11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) Chiyonoyama won the first 3 bouts in his second basho, so would that be considered a "start" of 13 wins? You are right... the record is for Chiyonoyama with 13 (Applauding...) ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubinhaad 11,958 Posted May 16, 2011 To (p)review, modern era shin-maku starts of at least 6 wins other than Kaisei's:11 Taiho, 1960.01 10 Chiyonoyama, 1945.11 (zensho yusho) Chiyonoyama won the first 3 bouts in his second basho, so would that be considered a "start" of 13 wins? You are right... the record is for Chiyonoyama with 13 (Sign of approval...) ! It's a "start" of 13 wins, sure, but in the second basho he was no longer a shin-Makuuchi. So the record is Taiho's - 11. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaak 7 Posted May 16, 2011 Still, it was consecutive undefeated matches after makuuchi debut. Oshio had 9 wins and 1 azukari on his zensho makuuchi debut, followed by 1 azukari and 2 wins on the second basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
