Kintamayama 47,178 Posted March 8, 2004 (edited) "My objective is being close to the leaderboard!!", says Musouyama today. Kadoban Ozeki for the fourth time, he is in "favorable" shape for the coming Basho. He had keiko with Dejima and others-14 bouts in all. His "otsuke" looked good, and his de-ashi was looking sharp. Regarding the left knee injury that led him to go kyujo- "No pain, and not being treated for it at all", he said. (In some parts of the Middle East, people are saying that the injury was..well.."well timed"..(K)) "Being Kadoban isn't a great feeling, but my objective is to be ranked high in the Yusho arasoi", he added, implying that he is not aiming for a simple KK to save his skin. This kind of talk seems to come from his feeling that he is in good shape. "These last two years, I've been completely useless. I have been shaming my rank with my Sumo. I have got to finally justify my rank, my existence." It was 4 years ago in Haru when he clinched his Ozeki promotion. He turned 32 last month. Could he still grow another flower in the field of Sumo memories?? (Can the reporter get any cornier? Do I see everyone scrambling to change their Ozeki pick in the GAMES?? Hmm..) Muso keiko: Edited March 8, 2004 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takanobaka 0 Posted March 8, 2004 Change their Ozeki to Musoyama in the games??? "I pity tha foo!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted March 8, 2004 There would be only one reason I would choose Musoyama this basho,hes Kabodan and with his luck hes guaranteed a kk at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted March 8, 2004 (In some parts of the Middle East, people are saying that the injury was..well.."well timed"..(K)) How was it well timed? ;-) Do I see everyone scrambling to change their Ozeki pick in the GAMES?? Too bad CiberSumo was canceled. I had Musoyama as my third ozeki. :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 467 Posted March 8, 2004 i am very thankful moti posts those things, but i for myself do not give a **** what those papers say...or better, what those rikishi say....i remember numerous basho where someone was severly injured in training and did better than most bashos or was told he is in good form and then got his mk.... just look at those chiyotaikai-stories....which one is to believe...the one where he is going kyujo or the other where he is fully fit for the basho.... i will not change my ozeki guess because a japanese tabloid (no offence) says musoyama is in good shape.....i read it with interest but take thoise prebasho stories about health as rather amusing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted March 8, 2004 At least he's aware of his disgrace of the ozeki rank. I hope he gets double digit wins this time, but I'm not convinced it will happen. Certainly not enough to have him on my teams :-D If there were sumo ranks for writing, however, Kintamayama-zeki would certainly be at least an ozeki. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted March 8, 2004 Is it just me, or has Musoyama been saying that exact same thing for about 2 years now ("I know I am disgracing the rank, and I really really wanna change that and fight for the Yusho, etc.")?? Needless to say, I am not impressed with his statement this time, although I admit, I was when I first heard it about two years ago! :-D Down to Sekiwake with him!! ;-) Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 210 Posted March 8, 2004 just look at those chiyotaikai-stories....which one is to believe...the one where he is going kyujo or the other where he is fully fit for the basho.... I know what you mean but the key of these news is in the physical facts. Chiyotaikai had a calf tear which had not been healing very fast. This new article of Taikai doing good keiko with heavy wrappings around his calf is still not "good news". The main conclusion is that he does have a problem with his calf and he does have an inadequate pre-basho keiko. He is not fully fit at all. Whether those have direct affect in his honbasho success lacks scientific evidence yes :-D Sumo is unique in the fact that it can so short day's work. Only one bout a day. Even with an injury it is sometimes possible to do pretty well during those few seconds Taikai usually takes. If Taikai would have 10 bouts each day, he could be doomed for make-koshi (75-75 possible too!) but with one bout a day and relatively easier foes before the end of the second week, he may well do well enough and avoid aggravating the healing injury and get some additional rest to it before the home stretch. What kind of background do sumo reporters have btw? In these big Japanese on-line magazines. It is not difficult to see through a keiko where foes (like in this example Futeno and other Dewanoumi-beya rikishi) are already tired after having bouts against each other and who don't have full steam against 1st real keiko Taikai. Reporters rarely analyze the contents of anyone's foes even though THAT is exactly where the expertise of a sumo reporter should be at! Anybody can go to Takasago-beya keiko and write "Asashoryu was very strong!" and then give the records of the keiko. There would be so much more to report and see. Not just this general stuff that gives only very general view. So any of you Japan-based forum members, do you have knowledge of the reporters' background and sumo expertise? Or are there many "Kotoryu is an oshi rikishi and has problems when bout goes to belt"-experts who just write about sumo keiko without having any clue what is really going on in the actual keiko bouts? One thing that is impossible to fathom is that nobody ever comments anything about the MAJOR factor in keiko when some rikishi has first had 10 bouts and then goes up against a high ranker who is just starting. In many keiko reports this would be essential information. There is no content to say "Asashoryu beat Asasekiryu 13-1" if Sekiryu had had 15 bouts against other Takasago-rikishi before that and Shoryu is just starting. On the other hand, only I care. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,178 Posted March 8, 2004 (In some parts of the Middle East, people are saying that the injury was..well.."well timed"..(K)) How was it well timed? (In a state of confusion...) Yes, that was a very vague, unsubstantiated statement... Jet lag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,178 Posted March 8, 2004 i am very thankful moti posts those things, but i for myself do not give a **** what those papers say...or better, what those rikishi say....i remember numerous basho where someone was severly injured in training and did better than most bashos or was told he is in good form and then got his mk.... Rikishi tend to say the same thing always-they will always try their best. But still, better someone who saw them and can report, however skilled he is, than not having any info at all, I say.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 47,178 Posted March 8, 2004 just look at those chiyotaikai-stories....which one is to believe...the one where he is going kyujo or the other where he is fully fit for the basho.... Well, no one said he was fully fit, just that he was using his injured leg OK, and that he wasn't bad against sekitori.These things change on a daily basis, and in the end, it's just guessing done by a reporter, everything is subjective in the beholder's eye. But I at least know that Taikai, who hardly stood on his injured leg two days ago, is now standing on it, one day later. Seems sensible and plausible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 6,024 Posted March 9, 2004 I am grateful for Kinta-zeki's posts. Even the outpourings of some of these tabloid journalists have some information which it is impossible for those of us based outside Japan to glean. It isn't necessary to believe every word or to trust their conclusions for it to be worth reading the articles. So keep it up Kinta! (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted March 9, 2004 nice to see Musoyama criticising himself but i doubt that he will perform according to his statements........ i have seen this before and i will have to wait and see this time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted March 9, 2004 Does anyone ever pick Musoyama as their ozeki in various sumo games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted March 9, 2004 (Riding an ATV...) i picked him in that "Salarycap Sumo" game i saw in a thread around here...... he was so damn cheap......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesinofuji 11 Posted March 9, 2004 Does anyone ever pick Musoyama as their ozeki in various sumo games? UDH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted March 9, 2004 Does anyone ever pick Musoyama as their ozeki in various sumo games? UDH (Riding an ATV...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted March 9, 2004 That's OK for SalarySumo, as that game is much closer to real-life general manager duties... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted March 9, 2004 Hmmmm even I think Musoyama is a good longshot in Salarycap,with his uncanny ability at avoiding demotion and cheap price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 125 Posted March 9, 2004 Hmmmm even I think Musoyama is a good longshot in Salarycap,with his uncanny ability at avoiding demotion and cheap price. (Sign of approval) thanks for the support.Now i won't feel stupid......... (Riding an ATV...) i think Musoyama can perform a 10-5 basho if he doesn't get "injured" again.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
