Kyushu Basho Banzuke Prediction

[Odoriou 0]

Here we go:

Oh, I've got a headache now. What a mess! (Wearing a paperbag...)

[Pak 0]

I just started tinkering with my guess. All I have 'set' so far are the sanyaku ranks, which are in sync with yours, but I am continuously reworking the maegashira, especially upper. My guesses have some insane promotion levels for 8-7s and some gentler demotions than normal. One question: did you intentionally leave Kakuryu at the same rank as in Aki even with his 7-8?

Regards,

Pak

[HenryK 38]

Good effort under extremely difficult circumstances. Until I learned the opposite, I would have reckoned that Asofuji would have hung on to his Juryo spot, instead of a promotion for Mori. (Wearing a paperbag...)

Edited October 1, 2008 by HenryK

[Raishu 208]

I reckon Asofuji will hang on to his Juryo spot though, instead of a promotion for Mori.

Are you sure ? (Wearing a paperbag...)

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[HenryK 38]

I reckon Asofuji will hang on to his Juryo spot though, instead of a promotion for Mori.

Are you sure ? (Wearing a paperbag...)

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Seems the Kyokai took pity on Mori after falling just short a couple of times...

[Odoriou 0]

One question: did you intentionally leave Kakuryu at the same rank as in Aki even with his 7-8?

Yes, and that's not so unusual. In the draft above I even let five 7-8 rikishi keep their rank. (Wearing a paperbag...)

[Pak 0]

That shows how alert I am, I only noticed Kakuryu :/

Regards,

Pak (Wearing a paperbag...)

[Bealzbob 0]

One question: did you intentionally leave Kakuryu at the same rank as in Aki even with his 7-8?

Yes, and that's not so unusual. In the draft above I even let five 7-8 rikishi keep their rank. (On the banzuke...)

That is the most difficulty I had with mine too. But I stuck to my guns and rather than leave them there I insisted on them dropping at laest 1 rank if they went MK. The result was a hugely over-promoted Kokkai which I see you too have done :-)

[Asashosakari 19,669]

Friggin' Brewers defense... (On the banzuke...) Where'd the egg-throwing smiley go?

Here's the makuuchi guess I hammered out on Sunday evening. Not sure yet if that's what I'll submit to GTB... Anyway, provisionally I'm in the "no same rank for 7-8" camp:

Hakuho

Edited October 1, 2008 by Asashosakari

[Bealzbob 0]

Surely with Mori getting in by the skin of his teeth, he will simply take Asofuji's J14w slot leaving everything else as is. Yes your MS might be messed but it shouldn't affect juryo .. ??

[Bealzbob 0]

Anyway, provisionally I'm in the "no same rank for 7-8" camp:

M5 Kakuryu (M5e, 7-8)

Back to work, skipper (On the banzuke...)

My effort which is re-assuringly similar to Asashosakari's

Hakuho (Ye, 14-1Y)		Y	Asashoryu (Yw, 5-5-5)
Kotomitsuki (O1e, 11-4)   O1   Kaio (O2e, 9-6)
Chiyotaikai (O2w, 9-6)	O2   Kotooshu (O1w, 8-7)
Ama (Se, 12-3)			S	Baruto (Ke, 8-7)
Goeido (M5w, 10-5)		K	Aminishiki (M4w, 8-7)
Toyonoshima (Sw, 6-9)	 M1   Futeno (M10w, 11-4)
Kotoshogiku (M1e, 6-9)	M2   Toyohibiki (M6e, 8-7)
Kisenosato (M2e, 6-9)	 M3   Wakanosato (M9w, 9-6)
Asasekiryu (Kw, 4-11)	 M4   Kyokutenho (M3e, 6-9)
Hokutoriki (M9e, 8-7)	 M5   Miyabiyama (M1w, 4-11)
Tochinonada (M4w, 6-9)	M6   Kakuryu (M5e, 7-8)
Tochinoshin (M10e, 8-7)   M7   Dejima (M12w, 9-6)
Tochiozan (M6w, 6-9)	  M8   Takekaze (M14e, 9-6)
Kakizoe (M16w, 10-5)	  M9   Tokitenku (M7w, 6-9)
Bushuyama (J1e, 10-5)	 M10  Aran (J6w, 12-3Y)
Masatsukasa (M8w, 5-10)   M11  Kokkai (M16e, 8-7)
Yoshikaze (M11e, 7-8)	 M12  Kasuganishiki (J3w, 9-6)
Takamisakari (M11w, 6-9)  M13  Tamanoshima (M12e, 7-8)
Koryu (J5e, 10-5)		 M14  Kitataiki (M13w, 7-8)
Chiyohakuho (M13e, 6-9)   M15  Kimurayama (M14w, 7-8)
Homasho (M2w, 0-0-15)	 M16  Tosanoumi (J2e, 8-7)

Edited October 1, 2008 by Bealzbob

[Asashosakari 19,669]

Anyway, provisionally I'm in the "no same rank for 7-8" camp:

M5 Kakuryu (M5e, 7-8)

Back to work, skipper (On the banzuke...)

M5e != M5w.

Surely with Mori getting in by the skin of his teeth, he will simply take Asofuji's J14w slot leaving everything else as is. Yes your MS might be messed but it shouldn't affect juryo .. ??

He'd be losing 4.5 ranks on Sakaizawa. I'm not comfortable parcelling out lots of banzuke luck to 5 guys and not to the 6th. Of course, the banzuke makers may not care...

Edited October 1, 2008 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari 19,669]

Juryo, take two. Very similar to Odoriou's now, except for a major disagreement on Yotsuguruma:

Shimotori

[Musashoryu 3]

Good to read these predictions....after last Basho I have become a Goeido fan.....i think he can go all the way!....thanks for continually informing a newby like me.....

[Bealzbob 0]

Anyway, provisionally I'm in the "no same rank for 7-8" camp:

M5 Kakuryu (M5e, 7-8)

Back to work, skipper :-)

M5e != M5w.

Bah !! I knew you'd use that (On the banzuke...) I insisited on them dropping at least a full rank. I don't count East to West as a proper MK demotion.

Edited October 2, 2008 by Bealzbob

[Asashosakari 19,669]

I don't count East to West as a proper MK demotion.

Fine, but they obviously do. Since 2000, 7-8 on an east rank:

stayed in same slot: 3 times

demoted to west slot: 31 times

demoted to next east slot: 40 times

demoted even further: 37 times

[Saruwatari 0]

When was the last time that 4 sekitori went off-banzuke simultaniously?

[Asashosakari 19,669]

When was the last time that 4 sekitori went off-banzuke simultaniously?

Well, it's only three this time (Wakanoho is already off). The last time there were three or more was Natsu 1992 with four, I believe.

[Sasanishiki 57]

When was the last time that 4 sekitori went off-banzuke simultaniously?

Well, it's only three this time (Wakanoho is already off).

Actually, I think both ways of looking at it are correct. Yes, Wakanoho was already expunged from the banzuke, but his slot had not been taken, only left open. So, three sekitori go off but there are 4 slots to fill next basho.

[Asashosakari 19,669]

Yes, Wakanoho was already expunged from the banzuke, but his slot had not been taken, only left open. So, three sekitori go off but there are 4 slots to fill next basho.

Which, all in all, will likely make for a fun makushita banzuke in the upper half. Total shot in the dark guess:

Asofuji

[Gernobono 467]

still haven't even looked at the banzuke to be, but reading this thread, i wonder why noone has asofuji on j14w.....a ms4w with a 4-3 to juryo looks like a big stretch to me, when a j14e with 7-8 is "available"

[Kintamayama 45,534]

still haven't even looked at the banzuke to be, but reading this thread, i wonder why noone has asofuji on j14w.....a ms4w with a 4-3 to juryo looks like a big stretch to me, when a j14e with 7-8 is "available"

Well, probably because the Makushita 4-3 west guy has officially been promoted..

[Gernobono 467]

still haven't even looked at the banzuke to be, but reading this thread, i wonder why noone has asofuji on j14w.....a ms4w with a 4-3 to juryo looks like a big stretch to me, when a j14e with 7-8 is "available"

Well, probably because the Makushita 4-3 west guy has officially been promoted..

eeerrrrrrrrrr...

this could be an explanation.....

i guess i missed quite some news totally concentrated on the trial-thing...