Mongolian jungyo under way

[ilovesumo 12]

Might the last pic show that legendary silver fountain from the tales of Karakorum?

There were several drinks people could take from it... wanna have such a thing at my flat ;-)

[Jonosuke 28]

We all know we cannot put much of credence to Yukan Fuji, rather raggedy daily tabloid but they report, even with "sell-outs" in both days, the promotoer ASA Group, Asashoryu's Mongolian based company, can only pay the half of the airfares for the rikishi participating.

The other revenues will come from sixteen corporate sponsors including builder, mobile phone company as well as TV revenues but even then they won't even break even. Apparently Asashoryu is looking this expense as a future goodwill for his business interests after his retirement.

The yusho money of 300,000 Yen even came from a publisher of his booster Kazuko Hosoki, fortune teller. I guess they cannot say a "No" when she sells milllons of her fortune books every year.

[Dagvaa 0]

And now, the "negative side"

personally , I was kind of dissappointed with Kyokshuzan who kept very low profile during the jungyo. He even did not show up in many events. or he was avoided?

If Kyokshuzan or other mongols get over their differences, Kyokshuzan could have played important role in the jungyo as Mongolian pioneer ;-) in Sumo.

[Dagvaa 0]

Some more pics for the sumo-webpaper from f. Kyokutenzan. (and 2 special for me ;-) )

thanks for pics. looks like Kyokutenzan is very kind guy positive attitude. I wish Kyokshuzan was the same.

Or was he ignored by others?

[Kintamayama 47,360]

And now, the "negative side"

personally , I was kind of dissappointed with Kyokshuzan who kept very low profile during the jungyo. He even did not show up in many events. or he was avoided?

If Kyokshuzan or other mongols get over their differences, Kyokshuzan could have played important role in the jungyo as Mongolian pioneer ;-) in Sumo.

He was accused of trying to sabotage the jungyo by telling the Kyokai about a month ago that it was too dangerous in Mongolia to guarantee the rikishis' safety. Most of the other Mongolian rikishi were quite angry with him for that. Add the internal politics, and I guess Shoes did not feel very comfortable showing up.

[Kintamayama 47,360]

Team B will again be late in arriving. The plan now is for them to arrive tomorrow, just in time for the Banzuke announcement.

[Kotoviki 16]

The missing Roho

injured?

FWIW Roho is kyujo or was kyujo for Mongolia. Was at Otake yesterday and remembered to ask! The good news is he will be fine or plans to be fine for the September basho! Back trouble for him! Since I have my own back trouble I sure sympathize with him. Hope he will be rested and in top form soon!

Speaking of being kyujo I'm wondering how Kokkai is after his surgery as well. Haven't seen any updates on that thread!

Kintamayama,

About the B Team delay - are they stuck in Seoul for again or are they still in Mongolia? At least the later gives them a chance to spend a bit more time with family!

Fay,

Thanks for updating the photos on your site! Fabulous job and great benefit you offer all of us!

;-) (I am not worthy...) (I am not worthy...)

[BuBa 77]

There are videos of the Mongol basho on this site, at the bottom left of the home site.

Edited August 30, 2008 by BuBa

[Kintamayama 47,360]

Kintamayama,

About the B Team delay - are they stuck in Seoul for again or are they still in Mongolia? At least the later gives them a chance to spend a bit more time with family!

Mongolia they are stuck in. Badweather.

[Mark Buckton 1]

FWIW Roho is kyujo or was kyujo for Mongolia. Back trouble for him!

has be had back woes before? - can be bad of course?

[Kintamayama 47,360]

An exhausted Team B has arrived in Japan, a day later than planned. "First of all, I'd like to take a long rest.. It's really bad when the flight is not a direct one!", said Hakuhou. "Running late on the way back too? The trip was chock-full of 'accidents' (using the word Tenko-sakari ).. Mongolia was far away in more than one way..", added Takamisakari.

Edited August 31, 2008 by Kintamayama

[Kotoviki 16]

Mark,

He went Kyujo the last two days of Natsu. Same trouble....

I am not a doctor nor an authority that is just the simple info I know...

Anyway hopefully he is feeling fine in two weeks time!

[Kintamayama 47,360]

Exhausted Hakuhou arrives yesterday morning, finally;

[shimodahito 336]

good day all,

thanks so much for the updates on this jungyo basho, including the links to the great photos and videos.

does anyone know what the general impression of the basho and mongolia was from non-mongolian rikishi. i would like to know what they thought of the whole mongolian experience...

ix bayaraalal,

-shimodahito

[Kintamayama 47,360]

good day all,

thanks so much for the updates on this jungyo basho, including the links to the great photos and videos.

does anyone know what the general impression of the basho and mongolia was from non-mongolian rikishi. i would like to know what they thought of the whole mongolian experience...

ix bayaraalal,

-shimodahito

You can read here http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/index.php?...st&p=150853 what Futenou had to say, courtesy of Harry's translation.

[Peeter 15]

... and for now, there are two KaioU's in sanyaku - Toyonoshima ( small Kaio ) & Kaio himself!

And why, Kinta, Baruto is sooooooo red coloured in Your foriners site?

Every country has a color code. Estonia is red, no particular reason-it was one of the few left.

I understand - in folktale rabbits always got a small tale, because they were not at right place, but home and shudder a little... :-/

Baruto made good matches in Mongolia, specially 1 & 2! ;-)

[Jonosuke 28]

Despite a semi-public report from a Kyokai source and all consuming efforts by the promoters (all intents and purposes Asashoryu himself), it will take a great deal more for them to return to Mongolia.

Those rikishi in the second plane with so much delays and problems were all exhausted physically and mentally before even arriving to Mongolia and when their return flight was delayed again, they were all expressing their displeasure. Most could not believe Asashoryu could return back with such an ease while they have been detained and delayed. (The first group headed by Asashoryu all had a direct charter flight going and coming back).

Normally in any jungyo especially those abroad has quite a bit of social functions so it's pretty demanding for them but also they do have some free time to do shopping and possibly sight seeing. But this time they had very little of those due to bad weather and not enough time allocated for them. So unfortunately many Japanese rikishi did not have a good impression of the jungyo. For Japanese rikishi, whether it's Hawaii or Taiwan, they look forward to it as a bit of time away from their normal activity and have some fun. There was very little or none of it this time especially for the half of the rikishi.

The Kyokai officials were very concerned about rikishi's health as well because of damp weather and they were not exactly pleased with lack of cooperation they received from the "promoters" in this regard.

I am not sure how much of the faults lie with Asashoryu and other promoters but in many ways their impression was not exactly ecstatic. Overall they were happy with the support they received from the fans in Mongolia but still it will take quite a bit more to bring them back to Mongolia.

[Kotoviki 16]

Excuse me if I've missed the important point on the flights.. it happens, I'm here late at night! LOL

Jonosuke,

You're saying that the group A with ASA were chartered flight but Group B flew regular commercial flight? which makes sense with the stopover.

I'm assuming here that means the Kyokai or ASA? splurged on a direct chartered flight and then the others had to take regular flights because?? no more money?

I don't get it, but it just sounds really wrong!

[Kintamayama 47,360]

Excuse me if I've missed the important point on the flights.. it happens, I'm here late at night! LOL

Jonosuke,

You're saying that the group A with ASA were chartered flight but Group B flew regular commercial flight? which makes sense with the stopover.

I'm assuming here that means the Kyokai or ASA? splurged on a direct chartered flight and then the others had to take regular flights because?? no more money?

I don't get it, but it just sounds really wrong!

Everything would have been fine if the weather didn't interfere. Twice.. They always go in two groups. The thing was that both teams flew in the same way both ways. Maybe they could have changed teams on the way back for fairness, but all is fair in love. As for the payment, it was payed by the sponsors, but again, some may say the sponsor was ultimately Asashouryuu, so go figure..

[Kotoviki 16]

Thanks Kinta...

I just really don't get why they couldn't insist on two charters then????

I mean it is best of course to go on two flights and your other idea is outstanding where they change and get to go back direct if they didn't come direct. I just don't actually see how it was fairly decided who got the charter flight and who got screwed...

[Jonosuke 28]

The thing was that both teams flew in the same way both ways. Maybe they could have changed teams on the way back for fairness, but all is fair in love.

Are we sure about this?

My understanding is that Asashoryu's group flew in using a direct charter plane while Hakuho's group flew with a Korean Air flight via Incheon. During the stopover there on the way, they were not able to continue and this was where Kotomitsuki was taken to a hospital via ambulance before returning back to Japan.

While in Icheon they could not get out of the hotel and their whole journey took 32 hours. A plane delay happens and you might think it's not a big deal but those in the second plane were pretty exhausted by the time they got to Mongolia.

And again on the way back, while the charter plane flew back direct as scheduled, the second group again not only experinced one day delay but they had to come back via Incheon again and forced to spend a night there before returning to Japan. So as far as I know they did not fly in the same way. It doesn't sound fair to me at all.

Edited September 1, 2008 by Jonosuke

[Kintamayama 47,360]

The thing was that both teams flew in the same way both ways. Maybe they could have changed teams on the way back for fairness, but all is fair in love.

Are we sure about this?

I meant both teams flew in the same "manner" (way) both ways, i.e one team always had the direct flight, while the other didn't, essentially agreeing with you.. Otherwise, why would I suggest they "change teams" if they flew the same way?

I am of course aware of all the facts. Sorry for the possible usage of the wrong word in "way".

Edited September 1, 2008 by Kintamayama

[Kotoviki 16]

I did get that "same way" as in one group was screwed on the non-chartered flight!

I think it is totally unfair. There should have been two charters. I will still be interested to know how the groups were divided.... may have to ask someone this week at asageiko.

In any case Jonosuke and Kintayama thanks for reporting!!!!

Good night!

[_the_mind_ 0]

Most could not believe Asashoryu could return back with such an ease while they have been detained and delayed. (The first group headed by Asashoryu all had a direct charter flight going and coming back).

so did kaio and kotooshu and everyone else in that group. how is this Asa's fault? or why is his name being said specifically like he planned it this way? he might like to be the master of the universe but im pretty sure he isnt yet in control of the weather

The Kyokai officials were very concerned about rikishi's health as well because of damp weather and they were not exactly pleased with lack of cooperation they received from the "promoters" in this regard.

and the promoters are supposed to affect how "damp" the local weather is too? this is all fairly rediculous to blame the people involved instead of mother nature. i hope so much blame goes around when typhoons show up also, because no one did enough to stop it from happening.

[Kintamayama 47,360]

Asashouryuu answers the press during his "real" return today, with mage askew: